To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "G.R.Baker" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:20:53 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com What is the maximum degree of side angle for the C30X vehicles? George To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:24:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 21 Jun 2005 at 1:20, G.R.Baker wrote: > What is the maximum degree of side angle for the C30X vehicles? > > George I sense another experiment approaching in your area....:)) Wondered about this a few times myself, especially since SDP/AT is quite proud of their Pinzgauer in this respect (but it also has the most optimum design anyway, the floor bolted very close to the the top of the diff(tube-frame), floor being about 15-20cm lower than on a TGB, almost SUV-like, as if there were no portals) Note that there can't be one single spec for this, for all TGB's identical, even less if the box of a TGB13xx indeed weighs 1500kg (actually, this side-angle is the very reason why I find it hard to believe that such a tall box is so heavy....even at the same weight of a regular hardbody the side-angle would be worse....triple the weight, and things get scary). (but perhaps I have been spoiled with the amazing light-weight constructions of modern offroad-campers) (but these might not survive tipping over, while a TGB13xx does....any field-samples known?....;)) PS: the trick for non-destructive experiments is to 'catch' the vehicle softly, onto a wall of tires, plus having a few big/wide (construction-site-style) webbed straps around the vehicle, for pulling it over (and pulling it back on it's wheels). Not sure in which industry to look for floor-mounted tilt-bed constructions nowadays....I believe these used to exist for some kind of bulk cargo unloading, but it might as well have been a railroad application in days long gone.... (with such a solid floor, you could then catch the vehicle by simply holding each of the high-side wheels into a loose strap, so that the vehicle can only tipp over a few inches) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Andersen?= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:00:30 +0200 Subject: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com I have looked in the books - The C303 have a max side angle of 40% or 22 degree. This is a little more than the Pinzgauer:-) Regards, Bj=F8rn To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:17:32 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com >I sense another experiment approaching in your area....:)) > >Wondered about this a few times myself, especially since SDP/AT is >quite proud of their Pinzgauer in this respect (but it also has the >most optimum design anyway, the floor bolted very close to the the >top of the diff(tube-frame), floor being about 15-20cm lower than on >a TGB, almost SUV-like, as if there were no portals) > > >Note that there can't be one single spec for this, for all TGB's >identical, even less if the box of a TGB13xx indeed weighs 1500kg >(actually, this side-angle is the very reason why I find it hard to >believe that such a tall box is so heavy....even at the same weight >of a regular hardbody the side-angle would be worse....triple the >weight, and things get scary). >(but perhaps I have been spoiled with the amazing light-weight >constructions of modern offroad-campers) >(but these might not survive tipping over, while a TGB13xx >does....any field-samples known?....;)) I belive that it's close to 800kg what the box weights. I will have a numbers to you during following moths as I gona drive it to scale with and without the box. Then we know. I can say that the box does a lot for side agle. It feel very heavy there. 150 extra kilos on the roof of the box is almost unnoticeable. (2 fellows) Few times tried what it can take and have not been very close yet. :) I think that it feels lot worse than it is... Out side of the rig it looks like nothing but at cockpit it is a different story! :) To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:56:24 +0200 Subject: Re: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 27 Jun 2005 at 11:00, Bj=F8rn Andersen wrote: > I have looked in the books - Any of these online already? > The C303 have a max side angle of 40% or > 22 degree. This is a little more than the Pinzgauer:-) 22 degree sounds very very low, for either vehicle....for *any* vehicle....are you sure it isn't 40 degrees? Take a goniometric ruler, and draw both angles....no way *any* vehicle would tip at 22 degrees.... -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:30:02 +0200 Subject: Re: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 28 Jun 2005 at 0:56, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > On 27 Jun 2005 at 11:00, Bj=F8rn Andersen wrote: > > > I have looked in the books - > > Any of these online already? > > > The C303 have a max side angle of 40% or > > 22 degree. This is a little more than the Pinzgauer:-) > > 22 degree sounds very very low, for either vehicle....for *any* > vehicle....are you sure it isn't 40 degrees? > > Take a goniometric ruler, and draw both angles....no way *any* > vehicle would tip at 22 degrees.... Btw, here the 40 degrees of the Pinzgauer: http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/PerformanceEnvelope.htm -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "G.R.Baker" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:23:33 -0000 Subject: Re: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Here's as far as I've had mine... http://tired-iron.mounet.com/grace4x4/angle.jpg Here's a good flex shot... http://tired-iron.mounet.com/grace4x4/flex.jpg George To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Andersen?= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:12:22 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Sorry - offcourse its 40 degree or 22%. Not that i would ever drive my Volvo to the edge! (to scary!) :-)))) Btw - the Pinzgauer til tilt over sooner than the Volvo C303. This is tested by the Sweedish Military, some years ago. /Bj=F8rn To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn_Andersen?= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:14:17 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com I will see if i can scan some pictures from the C3XX Owners Manual and post in the group. /Bj=F8rn To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:58:12 +0200 Subject: Re: SV: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 28 Jun 2005 at 9:14, Bj=F8rn Andersen wrote: > I will see if i can scan some pictures from the C3XX Owners Manual and > post in the group. It might already be online somewhere....which page numbers? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:46:47 +0200 Subject: Re: SV: SV: [Volvo303] Maximum degree of side angle Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 28 Jun 2005 at 9:12, Bj=F8rn Andersen wrote: > Sorry - offcourse its 40 degree or 22%. > Not that i would ever drive my Volvo to the edge! (to scary!) :-)))) The human factor is nearly always the most limiting in side-angles indeed, long before things really become critical physically....:)) > Btw - the Pinzgauer til tilt over sooner than the Volvo C303. This > is tested by the Sweedish Military, some years ago. Any idea by how much? Or was this perhaps even mentioned in official documents? ('some years ago' sounds as a post-production decision, perhaps judging the new Pinzgauer as a possible successor, in the mid-90's?) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]