To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:33:23 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 2 Oct 2005 at 12:23, Teppo Rapo wrote: > >Hmm....so on a C303 it sat further backwards? > >What is blocking the same position it on a TGB13xx (TGB13 too?)? > >Frame cross-members? > >(that at least could be different with a TGB20/C306) > > There is one axle missing on 303 :) Yes, but the wheelbase is the same, so the distance between winch and (first) rear axle should be the same as well....and I even checked your installation pictures again, the diff-side PTO (powering the rear-most/3rd axle) isn't blocking things either. > Frame cross membera are on the same position. Perhaps on the TGB13(xx), the main frame goes up sooner, making it impossible to clear the body above, when put at the same distance from the T-case as on a C303? > >Btw, how was the offroad performance of your TGB13xx without box? > >Or: will you ever put that box back on again?....;)) > > > >PS: did you just have tools in that small box, or also weight? > > > >-- > > > > > Off-road performance is outstanding, Even rear suspension is waaaay too > hard for a lesser weight but still it easilly cleared everything as > loong as I had something under a wheels, even on swamps it "floats" > almost like others but of course as I needed to drive last you will > never get without winching from a swamps that do not have bottom, or it > is somethig like 3m deep. So on the swamp it's not that good with a so > narow tyres, I need atleast 13,5 inch wide tyres. Be sure to get some serious clawing profile/tread-pattern on those, since that is all you'll have to get forward, without significant weight....;)) > I was playing around with it and apart from a bottomless swamp I could > not get it stuckt! :) Never driven anything as fun or as capable with > only wheels. :) Think about this, there was this HJ60 Toyota, on the > snowscooter track it was not able to move by it self, I towed it for a > 500 meters without any problems! Then when it comes too deep, it won't > go. but for instance this > place:http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/Raajarvi_050909-11/Villen_kuvaamat/IMG_3855.JPG/medium > I just drove, you can see my tracks on picture. Cool....:)) Add larger/wider tires, and you could become Jezus, walking on water....;)) PS: without a body above the tires, this would also be a nice candidate to test the twin-wheel chain/caterpillar/tracked concept....;)) (still can't see how that should work....any chain that uses side- chains to stay on the tire, can't stretch straight-out, to run from one tire to the other....so that would require either something flexible, or a gliding side-chain, or a real rigid track (with side- horns/-teeth) First testing of the latter concept with a worn set of tracks of a Hagglunds BV202/206?....;)) (you would probably need rather narrow tires for that to work) (probably would have to narrow those tracks as well....or, better: increase trackwidth of the wheels, by using spacers (or custom rims....perhaps as simple as reversing the rims?....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:41:46 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com > > >>There is one axle missing on 303 :) > >Yes, but the wheelbase is the same, so the distance between winch and >(first) rear axle should be the same as well....and I even checked >your installation pictures again, the diff-side PTO (powering the >rear-most/3rd axle) isn't blocking things either. > Are you asking or telling me?? I can sure you that the PTO for a rearmost axle _IS_ blocking and after instalation there is not more that 1-2 inch to play, ok it sounds quite much but during a installation it was not... :) Then joint in propeller shaft is quite close as well, not to worry until it brakes and explodes, it will brake my winch on the process... I will get you better pictures when I get to Rovaniemi again. >Be sure to get some serious clawing profile/tread-pattern on those, >since that is all you'll have to get forward, without significant >weight....;)) I need so wide tyre that I can carry my home woth me as well, so box will be reinstalled. I'm plannig convertble solution, so I can replace box with flatbed when ever I want. Best tyre would be 15-18 wide tyres. Just ot remind, Aleksander's Volvo with 39,5/18/16 tyres, yes 18 wide! :) http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/ASuur/Soomlaste+safari+ja+elke+rajapanek+010.jpg/full >PS: without a body above the tires, this would also be a nice >candidate to test the twin-wheel chain/caterpillar/tracked >concept....;)) >(still can't see how that should work....any chain that uses side- >chains to stay on the tire, can't stretch straight-out, to run from >one tire to the other....so that would require either something >flexible, or a gliding side-chain, or a real rigid track (with side- >horns/-teeth) > >First testing of the latter concept with a worn set of tracks of a >Hagglunds BV202/206?....;)) > Been thinking about tracks on rear axles for winter, most likelly you will see them :) as I heard that my friend has a good canditates for my rig... :) H=E4glund 202 track are like 20euros/ each so I may try those as well by modifying the track instead. BW206 track are more expensive. One fellow did a huge track-rig from Toyota Dyna and had tyres custom made for tracks. the did look quite good but were expensive. Then twin wheel are under consideration as well. Friend of mine did nice winch for he's 303 http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Winch/hub_winch.jpg/full To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:50:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 2 Oct 2005 at 20:41, Teppo Rapo wrote: > > > > > >>There is one axle missing on 303 :) > >> > >> > > > >Yes, but the wheelbase is the same, so the distance between winch and > >(first) rear axle should be the same as well....and I even checked > >your installation pictures again, the diff-side PTO (powering the > >rear-most/3rd axle) isn't blocking things either. > > > > > Are you asking or telling me?? I can sure you that the PTO for a > rearmost axle _IS_ blocking and after instalation there is not more > that 1-2 inch to play, ok it sounds quite much but during a installation > it was not... :) Then joint in propeller shaft is quite close as well, > not to worry until it brakes and explodes, it will brake my winch on the > process... I will get you better pictures when I get to Rovaniemi again. Ah okay, installation could indeed require some additional space, and those rear axles also have some additional side-ways play (plus possibly requiring another inch or so when at full twist/side-ways- articulation, because that diff-side PTO is above the center of the axle (hence, when twisting (right-side up), goes sideways, in the direction of the winch)) Which then means that a TGB20/C306 has indeed more room for the winch....:)) (or any large PTO-driven device for that matter) > >Be sure to get some serious clawing profile/tread-pattern on those, > >since that is all you'll have to get forward, without significant > >weight....;)) > > I need so wide tyre that I can carry my home woth me as well, so box > will be reinstalled. I'm plannig convertble solution, so I can replace > box with flatbed when ever I want. Best tyre would be 15-18 wide tyres. > Just ot remind, Aleksander's Volvo with 39,5/18/16 tyres, yes 18 wide! :) > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/ASuur/Soomlaste+safari+ja+elke+rajapanek+010.jpg/full Can't remember the tire-thread/profile, this was a more agricultural type than often used on Icelandic big-foots, correct? > >PS: without a body above the tires, this would also be a nice > >candidate to test the twin-wheel chain/caterpillar/tracked > >concept....;)) > >(still can't see how that should work....any chain that uses side- > >chains to stay on the tire, can't stretch straight-out, to run from > >one tire to the other....so that would require either something > >flexible, or a gliding side-chain, or a real rigid track (with side- > >horns/-teeth) > > > >First testing of the latter concept with a worn set of tracks of a > >Hagglunds BV202/206?....;)) > > > > Been thinking about tracks on rear axles for winter, most likelly you > will see them :) as I heard that my friend has a good canditates for my > rig... :) H=E4glund 202 track are like 20euros/ each so I may try those > as well by modifying the track instead. BW206 track are more expencive. I doubt either one is road-legal, so it probably doesn't matter whether there is any rubber left?....;)) > On fellow did a huge track-rig from Toyota Dyna and had tyres custom > made for tracks. the did look quite good but were expensice. We need pix of those, dozens of pix! > Then twin wheel are under consideration as well. Friend of mine did nice > winch for he's 303 > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Winch/hub_winch.jpg/full Ah yes, the hub-mounted winch, have always liked that idea, only seen it once, on a Bucher Duro camper....:)) PS Duro: recently read an article from a first-time Duro owner, Bernd Woick (yes, the owner of the famous Woick expedition-supply shop), about his horrifying experiences with the vehicle....no way I will ever touch one of those, no matter how nice their design) (shame the article is in German, very eloquently written, with a pen dipped in acid....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]