To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:35:54 +0100 Subject: [Volvo303] Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Anyone tried to source that Hella part recently, the front indicator annex parking-light lamp-housing? No online hits on either partnumber listed on the housing....perhaps there exists a modern/superceeded partnumber? K23285 & A3178 (identical left & right (just flipped over 180 degrees) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:32:29 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote: > > Anyone tried to source that Hella part recently, the front indicator > annex parking-light lamp-housing? > No online hits on either partnumber listed on the housing....perhaps > there exists a modern/superceeded partnumber? > > K23285 & A3178 > (identical left & right (just flipped over 180 degrees) W-j, Just to be certain, are you refering to the outer sheet metal housing or the internal reflector assembly? Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:51:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 6 Mar 2006 at 23:32, Jim Molloy wrote: > W-j, > Just to be certain, are you refering to the outer sheet metal > housing or the internal reflector assembly? While only the internal reflector is badly rusted, it is also leaking (result or cause?), but that is all the metal there is in that unit, wouldn't call that 'outer sheet metal housing' (that would only apply to the round headlights) (and there can't be any confusion with military vs civil models here either, they all use the same indicator unit (the white+orange ones on the front, just above the headlights, not the full orange ones on the side, as side marker) (note that on some civil models, there were quite a range of other indicator units retrofitted, from round ones (white & orange separate) to perfect square rectangular (unlike the original/stock roundish rectangulars)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:55:22 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote: > > On 6 Mar 2006 at 23:32, Jim Molloy wrote: > > > W-j, > > Just to be certain, are you refering to the outer sheet metal > > housing or the internal reflector assembly? > > > > While only the internal reflector is badly rusted, it is also leaking > (result or cause?), but that is all the metal there is in that unit, > wouldn't call that 'outer sheet metal housing' (that would only apply > to the round headlights) > (and there can't be any confusion with military vs civil models here > either, they all use the same indicator unit (the white+orange ones > on the front, just above the headlights, not the full orange ones on > the side, as side marker) > (note that on some civil models, there were quite a range of other > indicator units retrofitted, from round ones (white & orange > separate) to perfect square rectangular (unlike the original/stock > roundish rectangulars)) W-J, My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb holder. I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. Hope this helps. Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:40:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 7 Mar 2006 at 0:55, Jim Molloy wrote: > W-J, > My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the > front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through > a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb > holder. Aha, haven't digged that far yet; I don't think the rust has spread that deep. > I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the > part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. Hope > this helps. And that Bosch unit is exactly the same model, dimensionally/visually? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:48:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 7 Mar 2006 at 0:55, Jim Molloy wrote: > W-J, > My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the > front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through > a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb > holder. > > I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the > part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. Hope > this helps. Btw Bosch: A few months agao they launched the "Bosch Automotive Tradition", dedicated to older cars & parts: http://www.bosch-presse.de/TBWebDB/en-US/PressText.cfm?id=2502 -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:37:16 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com ---- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote: > > On 7 Mar 2006 at 0:55, Jim Molloy wrote: > > > W-J, > > My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the > > front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through > > a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb > > holder. > > Aha, haven't digged that far yet; I don't think the rust has spread > that deep. > > > I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the > > part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. Hope > > this helps. > > And that Bosch unit is exactly the same model, > dimensionally/visually? W-J, I checked the new Bosch part against the original and they are an exact match. While I did nto get a chance to check on the sheet metal case, I believe this is the same part used in the '67-'71 VW busses for their back-up lights. I should have that answer by Thursday morning. Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: jb Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:44:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 3/7/06, Jim Molloy wrote: > > ---- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" > wrote: > > > > On 7 Mar 2006 at 0:55, Jim Molloy wrote: > > > > > W-J, > > > My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the > > > front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through > > > a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb > > > holder. > > > > Aha, haven't digged that far yet; I don't think the rust has spread > > that deep. > > > > > I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the > > > part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. Hope > > > this helps. > > > > And that Bosch unit is exactly the same model, > > dimensionally/visually? > > > > > W-J, > I checked the new Bosch part against the original and they are an > exact match. While I did nto get a chance to check on the sheet > metal case, I believe this is the same part used in the '67-'71 VW > busses for their back-up lights. I should have that answer by > Thursday morning. > > Jim Molloy > Waldersee Farm > http://www.northwestmogfest.com > http://www.volvo4x4.com Interesting. If that's the case, you can find them on all VW models (bug,ghia,type3,bus) from 66 & later. They all used the same reverse light lens, bezel & reflector, the buses didn't have a rear housing to the light. I imagine that since VW used exclusively Bosch & Hella that there may be other items in common. Wow, looky there I contributed something of value. :) -jb To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:01:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 7 Mar 2006 at 0:55, Jim Molloy wrote: > W-J, > My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the > front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through > a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb > holder. > > I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the > part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. jope > this helps. Hmm....tried Hella first; no stock in Holland, listed as 'military' in Germany, with matching gold-equivalent price: 102 euro (US$125), complete assembly only. Bosch enquiry is still running; first lookup in Dutch database came up empty, but the slightly different partnumber 1 315 320 915 did exist, I was told (no price yet, pending further enquiry on the initial part number). Can you double-check that Bosch partnumber for me? And should both Hella and Bosch show a cross-reference with those VW generations? Note that *if* military cross-referenced[*], then it might be available in military surplus shops as well.... [*] 'European military vehicle' they said, but remember that Sweden is not a NATO-member, so I doubt this is the source of the cross- reference....while it makes no sense either to classify an olive-drab VW-bus that way (and ignore the civil market)....;)) (hmm....perhaps the Ilitis?) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: jb Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:07:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 3/8/06, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > > On 7 Mar 2006 at 0:55, Jim Molloy wrote: > > > W-J, > > My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the > > front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through > > a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb > > holder. > > > > I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the > > part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. jope > > this helps. > > Hmm....tried Hella first; no stock in Holland, listed as 'military' > in Germany, with matching gold-equivalent price: 102 euro (US$125), > complete assembly only. > Bosch enquiry is still running; first lookup in Dutch database came > up empty, but the slightly different partnumber 1 315 320 915 did > exist, I was told (no price yet, pending further enquiry on the > initial part number). > Can you double-check that Bosch partnumber for me? > > And should both Hella and Bosch show a cross-reference with those VW > generations? > > Note that *if* military cross-referenced[*], then it might be > available in military surplus shops as well.... > > [*] 'European military vehicle' they said, but remember that Sweden > is not a NATO-member, so I doubt this is the source of the cross- > reference....while it makes no sense either to classify an olive-drab > VW-bus that way (and ignore the civil market)....;)) > (hmm....perhaps the Ilitis?) > The Hella VW pn# 111 941 371, reverse light lens. www.wolfsburgwest.com or www.westcoastmetric.com -jb To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:50:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 8 Mar 2006 at 9:07, jb wrote: > The Hella VW pn# 111 941 371, reverse light lens. Hmm....bit suspicious description, being both indicator and reverse light (on the rear that is). Definitely not a 100% clear-glass model? (if only the glass was different, then I could mis-match, but the reflector would then be different too, dual-bulb vs single-bulb) Will see what their database says, at least in price....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: jb Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:03:51 -0800 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 3/8/06, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > > On 8 Mar 2006 at 9:07, jb wrote: > > > The Hella VW pn# 111 941 371, reverse light lens. > > Hmm....bit suspicious description, being both indicator and reverse > light (on the rear that is). > Definitely not a 100% clear-glass model? > (if only the glass was different, then I could mis-match, but the > reflector would then be different too, dual-bulb vs single-bulb) > > Will see what their database says, at least in price....:)) These are reverse light only, completely separate from turn signal/driving/brake light lenses. Clear glass lens. Very early buses had a red single brake light that used the same lens but in red glass. These are also available. -jb To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:04:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 8 Mar 2006 at 11:03, jb wrote: > These are reverse light only, completely separate from turn > signal/driving/brake light lenses. Clear glass lens. But the one on front of our Volvo's is 2/3 orange, 1/3 white.... (I have seen the odd constellation of 2 small circular & cone-shaped units, one orange, one white, but that must have been a later retrofit) > Very early buses had a red single brake light that used the same lens but in > red glass. These are also available. Never hurts to know which ones I *don't* need, if my source starts reading the near-match options to me on the phone....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: jb Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:12:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 3/8/06, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > On 8 Mar 2006 at 11:03, jb wrote: > > > These are reverse light only, completely separate from turn > > signal/driving/brake light lenses. Clear glass lens. > > But the one on front of our Volvo's is 2/3 orange, 1/3 white.... > (I have seen the odd constellation of 2 small circular & cone-shaped > units, one orange, one white, but that must have been a later > retrofit) > > > Very early buses had a red single brake light that used the same lens > but in > > red glass. These are also available. > > Never hurts to know which ones I *don't* need, if my source starts > reading the near-match options to me on the phone....:)) Then perhaps I have contributed nothing of value on this thread. :) Sorry. I should've looked up some Volvo pictures. But see how much you've learned about random VW lenses? -jb To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:23:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 8 Mar 2006 at 13:12, jb wrote: > Then perhaps I have contributed nothing of value on this thread. :) > Sorry. I should've looked up some Volvo pictures. All-white indicators ain't retro....;)) > But see how much you've learned about random VW lenses? :)) Willem (wondering whether blaming the list would work when getting a ticket for a continuously red indicator) Jan -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:26:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 8 Mar 2006 at 1:37, Jim Molloy wrote: > W-J, > I checked the new Bosch part against the original and they are an > exact match. While I did nto get a chance to check on the sheet > metal case, I believe this is the same part used in the '67-'71 VW > busses for their back-up lights. I should have that answer by > Thursday morning. Okay, re-reading this I now see that your VW-comment was limited to the metal case, not (necessarily) reflector or (probably even less) glass housing. So y'all can stop tearing down your neighbour's Beetle now....sjeesh! -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:48:38 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote: > > On 7 Mar 2006 at 0:55, Jim Molloy wrote: > > > W-J, > > My trucks have a concave sheet metal case that insets into the > > front bodywork cut-out for the marker lights. The wires pass through > > a rubber grommet and connect to the back of the reflector/bulb > > holder. > > > > I do not have a Hella replacement but the Bosch unit carries the > > part number: 1 315 320 905 and its dimensions are 84 x 38 mm. Hope > > this helps. > > Hmm....tried Hella first; no stock in Holland, listed as 'military' > in Germany, with matching gold-equivalent price: 102 euro (US$125), > complete assembly only. > Bosch enquiry is still running; first lookup in Dutch database came > up empty, but the slightly different partnumber 1 315 320 915 did > exist, I was told (no price yet, pending further enquiry on the > initial part number). > Can you double-check that Bosch partnumber for me? > > And should both Hella and Bosch show a cross-reference with those VW > generations? > > Note that *if* military cross-referenced[*], then it might be > available in military surplus shops as well.... > > [*] 'European military vehicle' they said, but remember that Sweden > is not a NATO-member, so I doubt this is the source of the cross- > reference....while it makes no sense either to classify an olive-drab > VW-bus that way (and ignore the civil market)....;)) > (hmm....perhaps the Ilitis?) > W-J, The part number on both the reflector and the original Bosch box is: 1 315 320 905. The reflector from a VW Bus carries VW p/n 211 941 071 and is made by Hella. While the VW/Hella reflector will fit the C303 body cut- out, the original rubber grommet (VW p/n 211 131C) is too large. The other issue with the VW unit is that the socket is a casting and accepts only one single pole bulb. The chrome bezel is an exact exchange for those wanting something reflective. Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:59:20 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, jb wrot > > Interesting. If that's the case, you can find them on all VW models > (bug,ghia,type3,bus) from 66 & later. They all used the same reverse light > lens, bezel & reflector, the buses didn't have a rear housing to the light. > I imagine that since VW used exclusively Bosch & Hella that there may be > other items in common. > > Wow, looky there I contributed something of value. :) > > -jb JB, Very well done! The VW models that used this type of rectngular Hella back-up light are: 1967 Bug 1967 Split window Bus 1968-71 Bay window Bus 1967-71 Karmann Ghia 1967-69 Type 3 The Bus assembly was inset into the rear bodywork with a rubber grommet. The Bugs, Type 3's and Karmann Ghias had a bumper mounted complete light assembly similar (but not identtical) to the turn signal/marker lights and bumper mounted black out lights on the MB Unimog 404.1 produced after 1956. The first two years of 404 production used a different front light assembly. Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http;//www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 02:02:46 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Greg David" wrote: > Aren't the 303 turn signals similar to the Unimog 404? > > > > Greg Yes, the lenses and reflectors are the same. Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:34:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 9 Mar 2006 at 2:02, Jim Molloy wrote: > --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Greg David" wrote: > > Aren't the 303 turn signals similar to the Unimog 404? > > > > > > > > Greg > > > Yes, the lenses and reflectors are the same. Aha, there is our 'military' cross-reference....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:12:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 9 Mar 2006 at 1:48, Jim Molloy wrote: > W-J, > > The part number on both the reflector and the original Bosch box is: > 1 315 320 905. > The reflector from a VW Bus carries VW p/n 211 941 071 and is made > by Hella. While the VW/Hella reflector will fit the C303 body cut- > out, the original rubber grommet (VW p/n 211 131C) is too large. The > other issue with the VW unit is that the socket is a casting and > accepts only one single pole bulb. The chrome bezel is an exact > exchange for those wanting something reflective. Hmm....but how can this VW/Hella single-bulb reflector (backup-only, all-white) be suited for our dual-bulb application? Btw, does the Unimog-'56+ unit (indicator+marker) have its own Mercedes/Unimog partnumber? Might also carry a gold-equivalent price, but it doesn't hurt to have another (stock-)source. My Bosch-enquiry in Holland came up empty, but I don't think he looked across the Dutch border, since he couldn't find the Hella part either (while that one *was* available in Germany, according to the Dutch distributor (but alas, at 102 euro each....8-)). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:04:12 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote: > Hmm....but how can this VW/Hella single-bulb reflector (backup-only, > all-white) be suited for our dual-bulb application? It cannot unless one is willing to convert the single pole socket to a dual pole arrangement. Since the VW part is a casting, it would be possible to machine out the current socket and press fit an aftermarket dual pole socket. > Btw, does the Unimog-'56+ unit (indicator+marker) have its own > Mercedes/Unimog partnumber? > Might also carry a gold-equivalent price, but it doesn't hurt to have > another (stock-)source. Yes, there are MB part numbers for these. Unfortunately, my large 404.1 parts manuals are currently out on loan. My suggestion would be to contact Scott Ingham at Expedition Imports. http://expeditionimports.zoovy.com/c=Tv6lm6WMcW4Ooezh0roC5hoKF/category/unimog_404_parts.body.lights__wipers__mirrors/ The parts diagram does not show the smaller clear Hella marker lens but I do know Scott has them available. Item number 243 is the Bosch reflector 1 315 320 905. Best to check with Scott about his prices. I know him to be a very honest and straightforward fellow. Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:32:59 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Hella front indicator lamp housing Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 9 Mar 2006 at 19:04, Jim Molloy wrote: > --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" > wrote: > > > Hmm....but how can this VW/Hella single-bulb reflector (backup-only, > > all-white) be suited for our dual-bulb application? > > It cannot unless one is willing to convert the single pole socket to a > dual pole arrangement. Since the VW part is a casting, it would be > possible to machine out the current socket and press fit an > aftermarket dual pole socket. > > > Btw, does the Unimog-'56+ unit (indicator+marker) have its own > > Mercedes/Unimog partnumber? > > Might also carry a gold-equivalent price, but it doesn't hurt to > have > > another (stock-)source. > > Yes, there are MB part numbers for these. Unfortunately, my large > 404.1 parts manuals are currently out on loan. My suggestion would be > to contact Scott Ingham at Expedition Imports. > > http://expeditionimports.zoovy.com/c=Tv6lm6WMcW4Ooezh0roC5hoKF/category > /unimog_404_parts.body.lights__wipers__mirrors/ > > The parts diagram does not show the smaller clear Hella marker lens > but I do know Scott has them available. Item number 243 is the Bosch > reflector 1 315 320 905. Best to check with Scott about his prices. I > know him to be a very honest and straightforward fellow. Has anyone done more research on this item yet? With a big smile, I stepped into the parts-department of a Mercedes truck dealership....boy did that guy frown his eyebrows.... 'Ah, 10-20 years back in our parts system is no problem!' "But I want 50 years back." Oops. Oh well, I just had to *start* making trouble somewhere....best start with the high-profile ego's....;)) (and enjoy the service in the waiting room of this dealership....can only get worse in my further investigation, from slick dealership to groovy surplus workshops) Willem (it never hurts being remembered by the neverending impossible questions you asked in the past....that kind of impression lasts forever....makes people nervous too....:)) Jan -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:37:32 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Front marker/turn signal reflector Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com W-J, I was able to locate my large Unimog 404 parts manuals. The MB part numbers are as follows: 000 544 70 92 Reflector 001 544 38 90 Amber lens 001 544 39 90 Clear lens 001 544 13 89 Bezel Hope this helps. Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:14:28 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Front marker/turn signal reflector Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Molloy" wrote: > > W-J, > > I was able to locate my large Unimog 404 parts manuals. The MB part > numbers are as follows: > > 000 544 70 92 Reflector > > 001 544 38 90 Amber lens > > 001 544 39 90 Clear lens > > 001 544 13 89 Bezel > > Hope this helps. W-J, I just found this on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.de/Reflektor-fuer-Blinker-Munga-Hella_W0QQitemZ8055979180QQcategoryZ9903QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem A nice source for cross-over numbers for the reflector. # für Munga, Blinker und Begrenzungsleuchte # Hella Nr.: 9DX0089869-00 # eingebaut unter Teilenummer # Audi 303834620020000 # Mercedes Benz 0005447092 # Versorgungsnummer: 6220-12-144-1644 Jim Molloy Waldersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:36:06 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Front marker/turn signal reflector & headlight removal puzzle....grrrr.... Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 22 Apr 2006 at 20:14, Jim Molloy wrote: > W-J, > I just found this on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/Reflektor-fuer-Blinker-Munga-> Hella_W0QQitemZ8055979180QQcategoryZ9903QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ> ViewItem > > A nice source for cross-over numbers for the reflector. > > # für Munga, Blinker und Begrenzungsleuchte > # Hella Nr.: 9DX0089869-00 > # eingebaut unter Teilenummer > # Audi 303834620020000 > # Mercedes Benz 0005447092 > # Versorgungsnummer: 6220-12-144-1644 Yup, saw it, also found the complete Unimog units before, (auxiliary/bumper-mounted), for 30 euro. Want to have new covers/gaskets anyway, and this way I also have spare lenses for future mechanical damage, but those reflectors at only 5 euro is a nice find too. I just wonder whether that Hella number is correct, it seems to lack 2 digits (3 sets of 3, plus 2 on the end). Tail-light units are dirt-cheap btw, 12-16 euro for a complete unit (lens+housing), and only slightly less for the lens-only (in hindsight I should have bought complete units for 2 bucks more, since the housing of tail/brake/indicator is different than for the back-up light, no spare flexibility/compatibility there. Next digging session is for the 7" FF-style reflector of the Mercedes G-series....seems the Mercedes parts database is seriously crippled, compared to Toyota, since they can not see/look-up the years of application, once you found the generic part on/from the exploded views (Toyota even writes those years inside the exploded views, both paper and computure, AFAIK). So now I must first find the complete frame number of a late-series G- wagen.... (in hindsight this is also a nifty way to find out how many G-wagons a given dealership sold in the past....I asked them to use one of the G-wagons they service themselves for a match, but they hadn't sold once since 2002, the parts guy said....:)) Oh btw, the partnumber I posted for the Hella 7" unit is a 100% match with the my old unit, including the production number, despite being told on the phone that it didn't show up in the database, presumably military blocked, they said. Now I must only find a gentle way to remove the headlight rings on mine, seems they repainted the vehicle with the rings still on the vehicle (as the painted screws also indicate), hence glued to the vehicle by paint....8-)) Grrrr....how on earth is that darn headlight unit supposed to (be re)move(d)? In which direction must either outer ring, inner ring or glass be moved/rotated/swiveled/tilted, after removing the cross-screw? The electric's manual suggests that glass plus rings must come off together, in one single forward motion....and I probably have to break a paint-glue connection somewhere, but I see no movement anyway, other than on the glass itself (spring-loaded?). Parts manual doesn't give any additional suggestion either. Willem (who hates it when even the most simple jobs require research) Jan -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] http://www.c303.de/c303-forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=7602;start=msg47302#msg47302 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Moin Christian, leider sind die Blinker momentan nur komplett zu haben. Schau nach Unimog 404, DKW-Munga oder Borgward B 2000 http://www.maas-fahrzeugteile.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=29_32&products_id=66 komplett mit Gehäuse für 35,-- Euro. Reflektor, Dichtung Rahmen und Glas passen, das Gehäuse ist leider übrig. Gruß Hartmut xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx DKW-Munga Borgward B2000 Faun Kraka To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "rollingpinz" Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:59:54 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Turn signal/running lights Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Hello I need to replace the reflector and "bucket" of my passenger front turn signal/running light(replacing both units whole would be better). Are these lights used on anything more common? There is a Hella number on the amber/white lense. Is this number just for the lense? I am in the US. Any suggestions would be helpful. I can make what's left work, but I would rather have new or atleast clean. Eric P To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:04:31 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Turn signal/running lights Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 9 Jul 2008 at 1:59, rollingpinz wrote: > Hello > > I need to replace the reflector and "bucket" of my passenger front > turn signal/running light(replacing both units whole would be better). > Are these lights used on anything more common? There is a Hella number > on the amber/white lense. Is this number just for the lense? I am in > the US. Any suggestions would be helpful. I can make what's left > work, but I would rather have new or atleast clean. The plastic lens(es) is not a problem, nor the metal bezel....and the reflector also exists, but for a different back-housing, with more room....so the electrical screw connectors protrude too far in upwards and rearwards direction....but being brass, they can be cut off quite easily....got stuck at that point, puzzling how to redesign such a screw connector, since the factory wiring has such nice reinforced wire-ends....the idea of cheaping out with a simple squeeze-fit connector isn't appealing, it ought to become better, for the next 30 years (mine is civil/firefighter, parked indoors nearly all it's life, probably never changed those reflectors). All this sourced from an external indicator/running-light unit, also military application, category Unimog/Iltis/etc. Forgot whether the rubber gasket can be re-used, I recall there was a second/lower one involved as well; the upper would match I believe. (the rear housing on our Volvo is not much/often affected by rust luckily, so no reason to look for a replacement) Btw, one might consider glueing/sealing the two separated lenses together, as that is probably a notorious moisture-passing seam.... Here some older discussions, including references/part-numbers: http://www.markerink.org/WJM/HTML/volvo_lights_front-indicator.txt Note that I am not sure whether anything is manufactured today....the ones I got were never used, OEM-boxed, but the slight corrosion on the galvanized connectors suggest it might as well have had a shelf life of several decades.... This means your most likely source is Ebay or military dump stores.... Maybe the Chinese could chime in here too....:)) (nice mission for a next rally in that region, visiting a few dozen factories along the way....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] Screws for front parking+indicator light: double spheric slotted M4 x 20mm