To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "danielkarlssonbbod" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:05:46 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Winch Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com I've got a swedish midmounted winch under the floor. It is rated to lift 1000kg. Sometimes when i use it it is just stops working and doesnt move any wire. I dont know how mutch it lifts or drag befor it stops but it feels like less then 1000kg. My question is.. is it broken or is ther some kind of inner protection in the winch that just turns it of when the load is to heavy? The winch is powerd macanicly by the engine. To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Steve" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:02:23 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Winch Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "danielkarlssonbbod" wrote: > I've got a swedish midmounted winch under the floor. It is rated > to lift 1000kg. Sometimes when i use it it is just stops working and > doesnt move any wire. I dont know how mutch it lifts or drag befor > it stops but it feels like less then 1000kg. My question is.. is it > broken or is ther some kind of inner protection in the winch that > just turns it of when the load is to heavy? The winch is powerd > macanicly by the engine. Daniel, If you have the mid-mounted winch, its made by Sepson in Sweden. There is a clutch pack on the worm gear which should slip after 30,000N (6,744 pounds force)which is what the winch is rated for. The clutch pack could be worn out or mis-adjusted. To increase the force on the clutch so that it slips later, just put a half-inch drive into the square socket in the cap on the back of the winch and tighten. You will notice that there is also a small screw in the cap. If you remove this screw you can just about insert a depth probe. The factory setting is 20.1mm from surface of the cap to the surface of the third spring washer inside. I know it sounds confusing, but personally, I just screwed the cap in until I could winch my 304's front off the ground!!! Hope this helps. Steve. KL, Malaysia. To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Kjelle Mickelsson" Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:32:10 +0200 Subject: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com I am interested in buying a PTO. Only PTO not winch etc. Is there anyone who knows where I can find one ? //Kjelle SnowFreaks - Extreme Recreation Promoters http://snowfreaks.nu To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:04:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 1 Oct 2005 at 16:32, Kjelle Mickelsson wrote: > I am interested in buying a PTO. Only PTO not winch etc. > Is there anyone who knows where I can find one ? > //Kjelle Do you already have the Volvo winch itself? Or: what are you going to attach to it, if not a winch? Just curious....:)) (if only to add another option to my list, beyond aircopump/airpump/generator/hydropump....;)) (a PTO-driven trailer is better done by mounting a spare middle axle/diff of a 6x6 to the rear-most axle, so that you can use the diff-side PTO-drive for that purpose....;)) Btw PTO-winch and forward/backward pulling: I have been pondering how one could have an additional cable ready for the backwards pulling (guided under the vehicle)....only crucial element is hooking up this backward-cable to the normal cable, sticking out on the front.... It can not be a large diameter connection (like hook & clevis), but what about a pressed-on screw-connection, one side a deep nut, the other side a long bolt....with about 2-4cm diameter, that should withstand enough force, not? If cable-eyes can be pressed on with enough force, this shouldn't be a problem for such a screw connection either, not? Only real practical problem is keeping the screw thread clean (so the cable laying 'idle' should have a dummy bolt or nut in/on it). Btw, in one of the recent video's I also noticed the central-mounted winch on a Valp....that one is seriously affecting belly clearance....8-)) PS: from a recent discussion I also recall that it is highly recommended to remove the box of a TGB13xx before mounting the winch....but for most other TGB-versions, that is almost impossible (apart from removing the entire body) So, which detail of the installation makes it so much easier to have access from above? Not just holding the winch in position, before drilling & such, in weight/handling context, is it? (because that aspect could perhaps be solved in a shop equipped with a hoist) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:25:44 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Willem-Jan Markerink kirjoitti: >On 1 Oct 2005 at 16:32, Kjelle Mickelsson wrote: > > > >>I am interested in buying a PTO. Only PTO not winch etc. >>Is there anyone who knows where I can find one ? >>//Kjelle >> >> > > > Altyco Parts Ab Stocholm, there should be PTO's available. >Do you already have the Volvo winch itself? >Or: what are you going to attach to it, if not a winch? >Just curious....:)) >(if only to add another option to my list, beyond >aircopump/airpump/generator/hydropump....;)) >(a PTO-driven trailer is better done by mounting a spare middle >axle/diff of a 6x6 to the rear-most axle, so that you can use the >diff-side PTO-drive for that purpose....;)) > > >Btw PTO-winch and forward/backward pulling: >I have been pondering how one could have an additional cable ready >for the backwards pulling (guided under the vehicle)....only crucial >element is hooking up this backward-cable to the normal cable, >sticking out on the front.... >It can not be a large diameter connection (like hook & clevis), but >what about a pressed-on screw-connection, one side a deep nut, the >other side a long bolt....with about 2-4cm diameter, that should >withstand enough force, not? >If cable-eyes can be pressed on with enough force, this shouldn't be >a problem for such a screw connection either, not? >Only real practical problem is keeping the screw thread clean (so the >cable laying 'idle' should have a dummy bolt or nut in/on it). > >Btw, in one of the recent video's I also noticed the central-mounted >winch on a Valp....that one is seriously affecting belly >clearance....8-)) > >PS: from a recent discussion I also recall that it is highly >recommended to remove the box of a TGB13xx before mounting the >winch....but for most other TGB-versions, that is almost impossible >(apart from removing the entire body) >So, which detail of the installation makes it so much easier to have >access from above? > > Holding a position is one thing and _all_ brackets on the frame/fuselage has to be build, there is none in military vehicle. You can do it but prepare a bit more that a looong day.. Space for winch in TGB13XX is quite a limited, there is a 1-2 inch tolerance that you can play with as it will hit into propellershat gearing for reamost axle. Getting it sitting staright agains the frame is quite a task from underneath but as I said I can be done but is difficult, then you need to get to weld all brackets from all directions and even more important you need to clean frame from rust preventive stuff and dirt as well. Then if you need to reproduce some brackets as you may forgotten them to doner car, all the mearements and testing is a quite a task to perform if you have radiobox on. I lifted the winc into it's position about 10 times at installation and if you need to use jacks etc. it would take some time. Then the propeller shat needs to be shortened, it's way too long for a TGB13XX My pic's at installation: http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Winch/My+winch+project/ You can think about if you had a radio box there.... Winch instalation without a box is easy for a 2 skilled fellow with all tools and equipment that you have in well equipped metalwork shop, no problems but still I would remove the box, even it took a day instead of 20 minutes that it takes. To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:31:00 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 1 Oct 2005 at 22:25, Teppo Rapo wrote: > >PS: from a recent discussion I also recall that it is highly > >recommended to remove the box of a TGB13xx before mounting the > >winch....but for most other TGB-versions, that is almost impossible > >(apart from removing the entire body) > >So, which detail of the installation makes it so much easier to have > >access from above? > > > > > > Holding a position is one thing and _all_ brackets on the frame/fuselage > has to be build, there is none in military vehicle. > You can do it but prepare a bit more that a looong day.. Space for winch > in TGB13XX is quite a limited, there is a 1-2 inch tolerance that you > can play with as it will hit into propellershat gearing for reamost axle. Would the longer wheelbase of a TGB20/C306 offer more space in this context? (if only by placing the winch more backwards (with a longer PTO- driveshaft of course)) > Getting it sitting staright agains the frame is quite a task from > underneath but as I said I can be done but is difficult, then you need > to get to weld all brackets from all directions Hmm....so the main brackets are welded to the frame? No way to use bolts? > and even more important > you need to clean frame from rust preventive stuff and dirt as well. > Then if you need to reproduce some brackets as you may forgotten them to > doner car, So, if you really want to have all brackets, you must even cut them from the donor frame? (probably not done normally by the seller, when offered in an ad, correct?) > all the mearements and testing is a quite a task to perform > if you have radiobox on. I lifted the winc into it's position about 10 > times at installation and if you need to use jacks etc. it would take > some time. > Then the propeller shat needs to be shortened, it's way too long for a > TGB13XX Hmm....so on a C303 it sat further backwards? What is blocking the same position it on a TGB13xx (TGB13 too?)? Frame cross-members? (that at least could be different with a TGB20/C306) > My pic's at installation: > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Winch/My+winch+project/ You can think > about if you had a radio box there.... > Winch instalation without a box is easy for a 2 skilled fellow with all > tools and equipment that you have in well equipped metalwork shop, no > problems but still I would remove the box, even it took a day instead > of 20 minutes that it takes. Btw, how was the offroad performance of your TGB13xx without box? Or: will you ever put that box back on again?....;)) PS: did you just have tools in that small box, or also weight? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Roy Gardiner" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 05:38:43 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: [PTO for C303] 1314 chassis/winch pics Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, Teppo Rapo wrote: [snip] > ....My pic's at [winch]installation: > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Winch/My+winch+project/ Thanks for the great photos Teppo - even though I don't plan to fit a winch under there, it's very useful to get a good look at the drivetrain/chassis layout for when I replace the standard box on my 1314 Roy To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Kjelle Mickelsson" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:39:59 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com >From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" >Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:04:17 +0200 > >On 1 Oct 2005 at 16:32, Kjelle Mickelsson wrote: > > > I am interested in buying a PTO. Only PTO not winch etc. > > Is there anyone who knows where I can find one ? > > //Kjelle > >Do you already have the Volvo winch itself? >Or: what are you going to attach to it, if not a winch? >Just curious....:)) >(if only to add another option to my list, beyond >aircopump/airpump/generator/hydropump....;)) >(a PTO-driven trailer is better done by mounting a spare middle >axle/diff of a 6x6 to the rear-most axle, so that you can use the >diff-side PTO-drive for that purpose....;)) My plan is to put a hydraulic pump there :-) For general purpose, winch and snowplow. SnowFreaks - Extreme Recreation Promoters http://snowfreaks.nu To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:23:29 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Willem-Jan Markerink kirjoitti: >On 1 Oct 2005 at 22:25, Teppo Rapo wrote: > >>>PS: from a recent discussion I also recall that it is highly >>>recommended to remove the box of a TGB13xx before mounting the >>>winch....but for most other TGB-versions, that is almost impossible >>>(apart from removing the entire body) >>>So, which detail of the installation makes it so much easier to have >>>access from above? >>> >>> >>> >> > >Would the longer wheelbase of a TGB20/C306 offer more space in this >context? >(if only by placing the winch more backwards (with a longer PTO- >driveshaft of course)) There is no reason to instal it more backwards, as front support is ruling the distance from front cross member but during a installation more room would have been nice. My winch is installed with extra care, it's staright against the frame with tolerance of +- 2 millimeters. >Hmm....so the main brackets are welded to the frame? >No way to use bolts? Everythin is welded. No way to use bolts, may be only for one for a winch axle... no....no... not really even for that. >So, if you really want to have all brackets, you must even cut them >from the donor frame? >(probably not done normally by the seller, when offered in an ad, >correct?) They needs to be cut , all of them and some of them are in round-frame members, so a bit tricky to cut loose. We did one for a front cross member our self, other we cut loose and welded back. You need to get them from a seller, without them it's a mission (almost) impossible. >Hmm....so on a C303 it sat further backwards? >What is blocking the same position it on a TGB13xx (TGB13 too?)? >Frame cross-members? >(that at least could be different with a TGB20/C306) There is one axle missing on 303 :) Frame cross membera are on the same position. >Btw, how was the offroad performance of your TGB13xx without box? >Or: will you ever put that box back on again?....;)) > >PS: did you just have tools in that small box, or also weight? Off-road performance is outstanding, Even rear suspension is waaaay too hard for a lesser weight but still it easilly cleared everything as loong as I had something under a wheels, even on swamps it "floats" almost like others but of course as I needed to drive last you will never get without winching from a swamps that do not have bottom, or it is somethig like 3m deep. So on the swamp it's not that good with a so narow tyres, I need atleast 13,5 inch wide tyres. I was playing around with it and apart from a bottomless swamp I could not get it stuckt! :) Never driven anything as fun or as capable with only wheels. :) Think about this, there was this HJ60 Toyota, on the snowscooter track it was not able to move by it self, I towed it for a 500 meters without any problems! Then when it comes too deep, it won't go. but for instance this place:http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/Raajarvi_050909-11/Villen_kuvaamat/IMG_3855.JPG/medium I just drove, you can see my tracks on picture. To: From: "Ari Kesti" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:10:00 +0200 Subject: SV: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Volvo303@yahoogroups.com] F=F6r Kjelle Mickelsson Skickat: den 1 oktober 2005 16:32 > I am interested in buying a PTO. Only PTO not winch etc. > Is there anyone who knows where I can find one ? > //Kjelle > > SnowFreaks - Extreme Recreation Promoters > http://snowfreaks.nu Hello Kjell. I have PTO for sale. It is mounted on a C303 Vattenfall version Located in J=F6nk=F6ping Sweden. I assume you live in Sweden? It is on the vehicle complete with all controls and controlbox, outgoing axle. Contact me directly for more details. Ari.kesti@svia.se or +46(0)706040799 To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:14:10 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 2 Oct 2005 at 8:39, Kjelle Mickelsson wrote: > My plan is to put a hydraulic pump there :-) > For general purpose, winch and snowplow. FWIW, the first Tollarp C306 firefighters used a Ruberg H-15 pump, 1000L/min (not sure about C303 firefighters, and they possibly changed things in later years). (the layout for this original pump was quite nifty; it could be detached from the vehicle, with 15m long hydraulic hoses, so that they could fill up the watertank, without the need for stiff/rigid suction hoses) (for the same reason Tollarp also made a version with an auxiliary, separate (Albin) engine-driven, waterpump, positioned either in the rear cargo area, or sliding out of the right-front roll-door) Note that for a snowplow only, you wouldn't need a PTO-driven hydropump, since a much smaller electric or belt-driven pump would be sufficient....but given a PTO-driven pump, I would be seriously tempted to create a snow-blower....;)))) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:33:23 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 2 Oct 2005 at 12:23, Teppo Rapo wrote: > >Hmm....so on a C303 it sat further backwards? > >What is blocking the same position it on a TGB13xx (TGB13 too?)? > >Frame cross-members? > >(that at least could be different with a TGB20/C306) > > There is one axle missing on 303 :) Yes, but the wheelbase is the same, so the distance between winch and (first) rear axle should be the same as well....and I even checked your installation pictures again, the diff-side PTO (powering the rear-most/3rd axle) isn't blocking things either. > Frame cross membera are on the same position. Perhaps on the TGB13(xx), the main frame goes up sooner, making it impossible to clear the body above, when put at the same distance from the T-case as on a C303? > >Btw, how was the offroad performance of your TGB13xx without box? > >Or: will you ever put that box back on again?....;)) > > > >PS: did you just have tools in that small box, or also weight? > > > >-- > > > > > Off-road performance is outstanding, Even rear suspension is waaaay too > hard for a lesser weight but still it easilly cleared everything as > loong as I had something under a wheels, even on swamps it "floats" > almost like others but of course as I needed to drive last you will > never get without winching from a swamps that do not have bottom, or it > is somethig like 3m deep. So on the swamp it's not that good with a so > narow tyres, I need atleast 13,5 inch wide tyres. Be sure to get some serious clawing profile/tread-pattern on those, since that is all you'll have to get forward, without significant weight....;)) > I was playing around with it and apart from a bottomless swamp I could > not get it stuckt! :) Never driven anything as fun or as capable with > only wheels. :) Think about this, there was this HJ60 Toyota, on the > snowscooter track it was not able to move by it self, I towed it for a > 500 meters without any problems! Then when it comes too deep, it won't > go. but for instance this > place:http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/Raajarvi_050909-11/Villen_kuvaamat/IMG_3855.JPG/medium > I just drove, you can see my tracks on picture. Cool....:)) Add larger/wider tires, and you could become Jezus, walking on water....;)) PS: without a body above the tires, this would also be a nice candidate to test the twin-wheel chain/caterpillar/tracked concept....;)) (still can't see how that should work....any chain that uses side- chains to stay on the tire, can't stretch straight-out, to run from one tire to the other....so that would require either something flexible, or a gliding side-chain, or a real rigid track (with side- horns/-teeth) First testing of the latter concept with a worn set of tracks of a Hagglunds BV202/206?....;)) (you would probably need rather narrow tires for that to work) (probably would have to narrow those tracks as well....or, better: increase trackwidth of the wheels, by using spacers (or custom rims....perhaps as simple as reversing the rims?....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:41:46 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com > > >>There is one axle missing on 303 :) > >Yes, but the wheelbase is the same, so the distance between winch and >(first) rear axle should be the same as well....and I even checked >your installation pictures again, the diff-side PTO (powering the >rear-most/3rd axle) isn't blocking things either. > Are you asking or telling me?? I can sure you that the PTO for a rearmost axle _IS_ blocking and after instalation there is not more that 1-2 inch to play, ok it sounds quite much but during a installation it was not... :) Then joint in propeller shaft is quite close as well, not to worry until it brakes and explodes, it will brake my winch on the process... I will get you better pictures when I get to Rovaniemi again. >Be sure to get some serious clawing profile/tread-pattern on those, >since that is all you'll have to get forward, without significant >weight....;)) I need so wide tyre that I can carry my home woth me as well, so box will be reinstalled. I'm plannig convertble solution, so I can replace box with flatbed when ever I want. Best tyre would be 15-18 wide tyres. Just ot remind, Aleksander's Volvo with 39,5/18/16 tyres, yes 18 wide! :) http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/ASuur/Soomlaste+safari+ja+elke+rajapanek+010.jpg/full >PS: without a body above the tires, this would also be a nice >candidate to test the twin-wheel chain/caterpillar/tracked >concept....;)) >(still can't see how that should work....any chain that uses side- >chains to stay on the tire, can't stretch straight-out, to run from >one tire to the other....so that would require either something >flexible, or a gliding side-chain, or a real rigid track (with side- >horns/-teeth) > >First testing of the latter concept with a worn set of tracks of a >Hagglunds BV202/206?....;)) > Been thinking about tracks on rear axles for winter, most likelly you will see them :) as I heard that my friend has a good canditates for my rig... :) H=E4glund 202 track are like 20euros/ each so I may try those as well by modifying the track instead. BW206 track are more expensive. One fellow did a huge track-rig from Toyota Dyna and had tyres custom made for tracks. the did look quite good but were expensive. Then twin wheel are under consideration as well. Friend of mine did nice winch for he's 303 http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Winch/hub_winch.jpg/full To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:50:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] PTO for C303 Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 2 Oct 2005 at 20:41, Teppo Rapo wrote: > > > > > >>There is one axle missing on 303 :) > >> > >> > > > >Yes, but the wheelbase is the same, so the distance between winch and > >(first) rear axle should be the same as well....and I even checked > >your installation pictures again, the diff-side PTO (powering the > >rear-most/3rd axle) isn't blocking things either. > > > > > Are you asking or telling me?? I can sure you that the PTO for a > rearmost axle _IS_ blocking and after instalation there is not more > that 1-2 inch to play, ok it sounds quite much but during a installation > it was not... :) Then joint in propeller shaft is quite close as well, > not to worry until it brakes and explodes, it will brake my winch on the > process... I will get you better pictures when I get to Rovaniemi again. Ah okay, installation could indeed require some additional space, and those rear axles also have some additional side-ways play (plus possibly requiring another inch or so when at full twist/side-ways- articulation, because that diff-side PTO is above the center of the axle (hence, when twisting (right-side up), goes sideways, in the direction of the winch)) Which then means that a TGB20/C306 has indeed more room for the winch....:)) (or any large PTO-driven device for that matter) > >Be sure to get some serious clawing profile/tread-pattern on those, > >since that is all you'll have to get forward, without significant > >weight....;)) > > I need so wide tyre that I can carry my home woth me as well, so box > will be reinstalled. I'm plannig convertble solution, so I can replace > box with flatbed when ever I want. Best tyre would be 15-18 wide tyres. > Just ot remind, Aleksander's Volvo with 39,5/18/16 tyres, yes 18 wide! :) > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/ASuur/Soomlaste+safari+ja+elke+rajapanek+010.jpg/full Can't remember the tire-thread/profile, this was a more agricultural type than often used on Icelandic big-foots, correct? > >PS: without a body above the tires, this would also be a nice > >candidate to test the twin-wheel chain/caterpillar/tracked > >concept....;)) > >(still can't see how that should work....any chain that uses side- > >chains to stay on the tire, can't stretch straight-out, to run from > >one tire to the other....so that would require either something > >flexible, or a gliding side-chain, or a real rigid track (with side- > >horns/-teeth) > > > >First testing of the latter concept with a worn set of tracks of a > >Hagglunds BV202/206?....;)) > > > > Been thinking about tracks on rear axles for winter, most likelly you > will see them :) as I heard that my friend has a good canditates for my > rig... :) H=E4glund 202 track are like 20euros/ each so I may try those > as well by modifying the track instead. BW206 track are more expencive. I doubt either one is road-legal, so it probably doesn't matter whether there is any rubber left?....;)) > On fellow did a huge track-rig from Toyota Dyna and had tyres custom > made for tracks. the did look quite good but were expensice. We need pix of those, dozens of pix! > Then twin wheel are under consideration as well. Friend of mine did nice > winch for he's 303 > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Winch/hub_winch.jpg/full Ah yes, the hub-mounted winch, have always liked that idea, only seen it once, on a Bucher Duro camper....:)) PS Duro: recently read an article from a first-time Duro owner, Bernd Woick (yes, the owner of the famous Woick expedition-supply shop), about his horrifying experiences with the vehicle....no way I will ever touch one of those, no matter how nice their design) (shame the article is in German, very eloquently written, with a pen dipped in acid....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=F8nntass?= Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:36:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Forward/backward pulling (was PTO for C303) Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Quoting Willem-Jan Markerink : > Btw PTO-winch and forward/backward pulling: > I have been pondering how one could have an additional cable ready > for the backwards pulling (guided under the vehicle)....only crucial > element is hooking up this backward-cable to the normal cable, > sticking out on the front.... I've read an article about something which I think is simpler. Let the wire (permanently) go backwards to a tailgate where you (might) have a shackle with hook for winching backwards. From there to take the wire forwards and out in front as normal. You'll then only be able to winch with double wire backwards, but there you'll normally not want to winch so fast anyway. If you make the wire double in front to, you might straighthen the wire between two points and drive along it. Christian To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:02:45 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Forward/backward pulling (was PTO for C303) Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Gr=F8nntass kirjoitti: >Quoting Willem-Jan Markerink : > > >>Btw PTO-winch and forward/backward pulling:=20 >>I have been pondering how one could have an additional cable ready >>for the backwards pulling (guided under the vehicle)....only crucial >>element is hooking up this backward-cable to the normal cable, >>sticking out on the front.... >> >> > >I've read an article about something which I think is simpler. >Let the wire (permanently) go backwards to a tailgate where you (might) have a >shackle with hook for winching backwards. From there to take the wire forwards >and out in front as normal. You'll then only be able to winch with double wire >backwards, but there you'll normally not want to winch so fast anyway. >If you make the wire double in front to, you might straighthen the wire >between two points and drive along it. > >Christian I been thinking opposite, I would like to have winch line to front and there I would have snacth block and winch line would go to rear via some rollers etc. Normally when wincing forwad, always using block as end of the wire in connected to rear bumber. When wincing backwards I just connect the snatch block some where at front and start pulling wire out from a back.... What do you say fellows?? This have few advantages, rear you normally need on less power that going into forward, then as I mostly winch to forwad, the I would have only one moving winch lines under the vehicle instead of 2. ....and of course, those who know about constrution of line tightener/holder or what ever it is, that spring loaded piece of wood pressing wire to the winch drum, that is build in the way that winc line can not be pulled straight to backwards. -teppo To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "David Touitou" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:04:21 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Forward/backward pulling (was PTO for C303) Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, Teppo Rapo wrote: > What do you say fellows?? The wire going to the rear, through a roller then to the front is pattented as part of the Ibex chassis. It is the "vector winch system" : http://www.red-ibex.com/vector_winch_system.htm It works extremely well but the chassis has to be built thinking of it : I've seen someone very proud of his "such equiped Range Rover" trying to winch himself out of a very bad placed. His chassis did not support the whinching and collapsed on itself. David. To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:36:38 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Forward/backward pulling (was PTO for C303) Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 3 Oct 2005 at 12:36, Gr=F8nntass wrote: > Quoting Willem-Jan Markerink : > > Btw PTO-winch and forward/backward pulling: > > I have been pondering how one could have an additional cable ready > > for the backwards pulling (guided under the vehicle)....only crucial > > element is hooking up this backward-cable to the normal cable, > > sticking out on the front.... > > I've read an article about something which I think is simpler. > Let the wire (permanently) go backwards to a tailgate where you (might) have a > shackle with hook for winching backwards. From there to take the wire forwards > and out in front as normal. You'll then only be able to winch with double wire > backwards, but there you'll normally not want to winch so fast anyway. > If you make the wire double in front to, you might straighthen the wire > between two points and drive along it. Ah yes, forgot that concept, this is almost what the factory layout suggests, by having this double-roller unit sitting in/on the front bumper, ready for use. Can that factory double-roller unit also easily act as a tree-mounted roller? Or only for guiding the cable backwards? (I guess it's easier to have another, separate roller-block for that purpose, ready to take a tree-strap/sling) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand=20 is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=F8nntass?= Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:49:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Forward/backward pulling (was PTO for C303) Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Quoting David Touitou : > The wire going to the rear, through a roller then to the front is > pattented as part of the Ibex chassis. It's only patented for small wehicles. If a C304, weighting more than 3.5 ton is big enough to not be small, I don't know. > It works extremely well but the chassis has to be built thinking of it > : I've seen someone very proud of his "such equiped Range Rover" > trying to winch himself out of a very bad placed. His chassis did not > support the whinching and collapsed on itself. I thought it would be the fram which would get the pressure here. You'll anyway get big enough forces here if the winch is powerful. In opposition to RR, the Volvo C30N is designed to have a winch underneath. The PTO-winches for L3314 / C202 is not capable to drag as much weight as the car, so double line is often necessary. That might be because the frame etc. will not be powerful enough for it. Christian To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:07:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Forward/backward pulling (was PTO for C303) Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 3 Oct 2005 at 13:04, David Touitou wrote: > --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, Teppo Rapo wrote: > > > What do you say fellows?? > > The wire going to the rear, through a roller then to the front is > pattented as part of the Ibex chassis. > > It is the "vector winch system" : > http://www.red-ibex.com/vector_winch_system.htm > > It works extremely well but the chassis has to be built thinking of it > : I've seen someone very proud of his "such equiped Range Rover" > trying to winch himself out of a very bad placed. His chassis did not > support the whinching and collapsed on itself. > > David. Just to avoid confusion (also because the Ibex-site sortof claims this): A patent has no jurisdiction whatsoever over what private parties can or cannot fabricate....it just can't be sold commercially. (one could even make it a gift to friends/family....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "David Touitou" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:15:17 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Forward/backward pulling (was PTO for C303) Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote: > Just to avoid confusion (also because the Ibex-site sortof claims > this) I voluntary used the term "patented" to get all of you have a laugh at this (even if patent is not something to have fun with). The C303 winch maximum capabilities are still unclear for me. The documentation states 1000 kg (lift wich gives "just" the correct towing and half what is to be towed with the factory double-roller that I don't have), some people claim 3000 kg lifting (because of ther 12 mm wire), like here : http://www.real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/viewtopic.php?t=1227 BTW, is the hook in the middle of the front bumper strong enough to resist towing using it (winch wire attached to it and a roller attached to a tree) ? To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:36:03 +0200 Subject: [Volvo303] Seals for a winch, advice needed Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com My winch is now under repair and the cluths was broken, that will be modified for fixed one and the I need 4 seals. tomorrow I'm calling local Volvo truck delaer but as my frind already asked they are not available at volvo in Finland. Does anybody here have any access to any information where to find them, I'm thinking if there would be spares availabe at Sweden. Volvo Sparepart numbers are: 9590008-4 needed 2pc. 959043-1 needed 1pc. 959025-8 needed 1pc. Parts catalog http://www.scout.1g.fi/Files/Volvo/Data/Manual_cuts/Winch/Winch.pdf Page 2. items 4,36 and53 Thanks in advance -teppo To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "djklabbe" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:49:23 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Seals for a winch, advice needed Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, Teppo Rapo wrote: > > My winch is now under repair and the cluths was broken, that will be > modified for fixed one and the I need 4 seals. > tomorrow I'm calling local Volvo truck delaer but as my frind already > asked they are not available at volvo in Finland. > > Does anybody here have any access to any information where to find them, > I'm thinking if there would be spares availabe at Sweden. > > Volvo Sparepart numbers are: > 9590008-4 needed 2pc. > 959043-1 needed 1pc. > 959025-8 needed 1pc. > > Parts catalog > http://www.scout.1g.fi/Files/Volvo/Data/Manual_cuts/Winch/Winch.pdf > Page 2. > items 4,36 and53 > > Thanks in advance > -teppo I have renovate both my winches and all sealings was change. The sealings are of standard type. I buy the sealings in my local sealing and bearing shop www.momentum-industrial.com Klabbe To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Jim Molloy" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:15:55 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Seals for a winch, advice needed Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "djklabbe" wrote: > > I have renovated both my winches and all sealings were changed. The > sealings are of standard type. I buy the sealings in my local > sealing and bearing shop www.momentum-industrial.com > > Klabbe Klabbe, Do you happen to have the new part numbers/brand names for the replacement seals and bearings for the winch? Jim Molloy Wadersee Farm http://www.northwestmogfest.com http://www.volvo4x4.com To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "djklabbe" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:00:21 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Seals for a winch, advice needed Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Molloy" wrote: > > Klabbe, > Do you happen to have the new part numbers/brand names for the > replacement seals and bearings for the winch? > > Jim Molloy > Wadersee Farm > http://www.northwestmogfest.com > http://www.volvo4x4.com I only changed the sealings and on the receipt it says: Sealing rings 2pc BASL 45 X 65 X 8 NITRIL 1pc BASL 60 X 80 X 10 NITRIL 1pc BASL 80 X 11 X 10 NITRIL O-rings 1pc OR 84,5 X 3 NITRIL 70SH STD. SMS/BS 1pc OR 94,5 X 3 NITRIL 70SH STD. SMS/BS Klabbe To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:14:08 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Seals for a winch, advice needed Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com djklabbe kirjoitti: > I only changed the sealings and on the receipt it says: > > Sealing rings > 2pc BASL 45 X 65 X 8 NITRIL > 1pc BASL 60 X 80 X 10 NITRIL > 1pc BASL 80 X 11 X 10 NITRIL > > O-rings > 1pc OR 84,5 X 3 NITRIL 70SH STD. SMS/BS > 1pc OR 94,5 X 3 NITRIL 70SH STD. SMS/BS > > Klabbe Are those mm dimensions of the seal rings? For instance, 45mm inside 46mm outer diameter and 8mm deep? -teppo PS: We will remove old ones and go into any seal selling store with them to see what will happen :) To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "djklabbe" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:32:30 -0000 Subject: [Volvo303] Re: Seals for a winch, advice needed Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com --- In Volvo303@yahoogroups.com, Teppo Rapo wrote: > djklabbe kirjoitti: > > I only change the sealings and on the receipt it stands > > > > Sealing rings > > 2pc BASL 45 X 65 X 8 NITRIL > > 1pc BASL 60 X 80 X 10 NITRIL > > 1pc BASL 80 X 110 X 10 NITRIL > > > > O-rings > > 1pc OR 84,5 X 3 NITRIL 70SH STD. SMS/BS > > 1pc OR 94,5 X 3 NITRIL 70SH STD. SMS/BS > > > > Klabbe > > > > Are those mm dimensions of the seal rings? > For instance, 45mm inside 46mm outer diameter and 8mm deep? > -teppo > PS: We will remove old ones and go into any seal selling store with them > to see what will happen :) > It is mm dimensions inside diameter X outer diameter X deep To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:46:10 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Re: Seals for a winch, advice needed Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com djklabbe kirjoitti: > It is mm dimensions > > inside diameter X outer diameter X deep Thanks Klappe U saved my day! :) Just can't wait, I'm off to Thailand in on 3rd and after that trip will go to Rovaniemi for my new Volvo engine change and will get it into traffic soon! :) -teppo A few brief notes on PTO's in Swedish army ('generator' & 'KA4'?): http://forum.terrangbil.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=6420 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://forum.terrangbil.net/forum_posts.asp%3FTID%3D6420&prev=_t