To: "TLCA" Subject: Overhead cam diesel engine differences and cable lockers From: "Jeff & Lori" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:02:11 -0800 To shed some light on this subject, seeing as I've watched this thread develop in the past few days; Rick D. is partially correct and Rob M. is partially correct. According to my knowledge and investigation, here's the scoop. 1. The 1HZ and 1HDT blocks start out the same and exterior bolt configurations are the same. The 1HDT is drilled for extra oil galleys for oil cooling spouts because it's a turbo. 2. Injection pumps are definitely different. 3. Cylinder heads definitely different. Rob is correct. The 1HDT is a direct injector. The 1HZ has a swirled pre-chamber. 4. The pistons are different, but, the piston ring sets are the same. 5. The connecting rods are different between the 1HZ and the 1HDT. The 01/95 and up connecting rods are the same for the 1HDT and the 1HDFT (24-valve factory turbo engine). 6. The connecting rod bearings are the same for both engines. 7. The 1HDFT has a totally different cylinder head and camshaft valve arrangement. The intake and exhaust are different from the 1HDT, and, of course, the pump, the turbo, boost compensator, etc. As far as the cable lockers are concerned, I looked into this when I did my diesel conversion on my 60 and opted for the factory full-floater and an air-locker. The factory cable locking mechanism consists of a minimum of 91 individual parts, and were initially installed when the vehicle was built. The compound leverage mechanism is installed underneath the sheet metal C-channel (beneath driver's seat) and the C-channel on a non-locker body is spot welded into place. The cross-member that supports the upper shock mounts (welded between frame rails) is also different on a factory locker equipped vehicle. As far as I know, SOR has gotten in and sold a lot of cable locker axle assemblies, but the factory cable locking mechanism is a pretty rare bear. An alternate cable control could be utilized, i.e., a PTO cable, for the factory mechanism, which, in my opinion, is fairly Rube Goldberg. Also bear in mind that those 91 parts, when they weren't obsolete, came to approximately $1000 retail. HTH. Jeff Bryant & Lori Dammann TLCA #6838, PMC, 1987 HDJ-60 "the Ickymobile" To: LCML List Subject: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: Henry & Kate Cubillan Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:07:53 -0400 Is this possible *without* a custom axle? I know that for an FJ40/55 you can use either the 70 series OEM shaft or an aftermarket one from CV Unlimited, but are there any solutions for the 60 series? I am not particularly pleased with the @#$% ARB blowing the o-ring, and would not like to deal with this again.... Thanks! Henry C. -- Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html To: Subject: RE: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: "Bruce Loewen" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:46:37 -0600 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3B264C69.8020405@earthlink.net> Was the cable locker available in the front as well as the rear of Aussie spec 60s? If so then that would be the axle. The factory locker only works in a full floater application. (no facilities for c-clips) Cheers, Bruce Loewen mailto:bruce@uniserve.com TLCA #5513 Coastal Cruisers / Rocky Mountain LCs / NA4WDA Vancouver BC / Calgary AB / Edmonton AB 78 FJ45, 86 BJ70, 90 LJ73(impounded)'53 M100 and parts To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: Henry & Kate Cubillan Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:02:42 -0400 References: Bruce Loewen wrote: > Was the cable locker available in the front as well as the rear of Aussie > spec 60s? If so then that would be the axle. The factory locker only works > in a full floater application. (no facilities for c-clips) Yes, it was available. Now I need to dig up the part! :) I knew about the rear axle... Thanks, Bruce! Henry C. To: Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: rick d Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:32:32 -0600 In-reply-to: on 6/12/01 11:46 AM, Bruce Loewen at bruce.loewen@terago.ca wrote: > Was the cable locker available in the front as well as the rear of Aussie > spec 60s? If so then that would be the axle. The factory locker only works > in a full floater application. (no facilities for c-clips) > Bruce- Rear short side on 40/60/70 is the same FF and semi floater. and yes, there is a cable/electric locker axle shaft. Rick To: Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: "Philippe Trottier" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:20:41 +0300 References: <3B264C69.8020405@earthlink.net> > Is this possible *without* a custom axle? I know that for an FJ40/55 you > can use either the 70 series OEM shaft or an aftermarket one from CV > Unlimited, but are there any solutions for the 60 series? I am not > particularly pleased with the @#$% ARB blowing the o-ring, and would not > like to deal with this again.... > > Thanks! > > Henry C. Available here in Finland in scrap yards if you have a FF ... or New from Toyota 2700FIM was the price last time I checked for a OEM new Toyota... that is ~450$US Part # 42311-60080 RH rear same as 40/55/60/70 FF rear Part # 43412-60050 LH front only for 60 series front In scrap yard I can get them for about 150 to 200$US... impossible with a SF.... One thing I could do is to ship you some front drum brake spindles assy you could weld the spindles on the SF axle tube and make a FF... I have now 3 pairs of 1980+ and really don't know what to do with them.. I do know the Toyota flange FF shaft would bolt right on and probably no one could tell a stock FF to that one except looking at the backing plate.... Warning !!! I never seen/tried this before. 2 of these drums system are 3"x12" = huge compare to the 40 front drums... Errrr, well you already have tons of these in US I guess... -1975 Phil Land of the wire/electric locker... To: Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: rick d Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:48:01 -0600 In-reply-to: <014b01c0f36c$63c75800$b82274d4@nitchiwam> on 6/12/01 12:20 PM, Philippe Trottier at bj-45@netsonic.fi wrote: > Available here in Finland in scrap yards if you have a FF ... or New from > Toyota > 2700FIM was the price last time I checked for a OEM new Toyota... that is > ~450$US > > Part # 42311-60080 RH rear same as 40/55/60/70 FF rear Supercedes to -60081..... about $170 w/ TLCA discount, US part number, E class > Part # 43412-60050 LH front only for 60 series front 60051......$325, E class, US part Rick To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: Henry & Kate Cubillan Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:50:31 -0400 References: So it's $325 + the $750 or so for the electric locker? OUCH, I'd never thought I'd say this, but the ARB's are actually CHEAP in comparison. And before I get roasted, I am not debating the benefits of one versus the other, the electric locker may be the ultimate cat's meow but my budget doesn't allow for something like this..... Cheers! HEnry C. To: Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: rick d Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:01:17 -0600 In-reply-to: <3B26AAC7.1060900@earthlink.net> on 6/12/01 5:50 PM, Henry & Kate Cubillan at cubillan@earthlink.net wrote: > So it's $325 + the $750 or so for the electric locker? $750?, no $800 min (double) >OUCH, I'd never > thought I'd say this, but the ARB's are actually CHEAP in comparison. $825 retail Henry on the ARB uninstalled > And before I get roasted, I am not debating the benefits of one versus > the other, the electric locker may be the ultimate cat's meow but my > budget doesn't allow for something like this..... I guess nothing is cheap. rick To: Subject: RE: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: "Bruce Loewen" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:10:20 -0600 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3B26D99D.6040902@earthlink.net> Keep your eyes open Henry, there are deals to be had if you are patient. I got my electric locker complete with the whole rear axle assembly, disc to disc. for $750 cdn. The axle can be had from an overseas wrecker for 1/2 the cost of new. Cheers, Bruce Loewen To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: Dave Stedman Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:35:55 +0900 In-reply-to: <3B264C69.8020405@earthlink.net> At 13:07 6/12/2001 -0400, you wrote: > Is this possible *without* a custom axle? I know that for an FJ40/55 you can > use either the 70 series OEM shaft or an aftermarket one from CV Unlimited, > but are there any solutions for the 60 series? I am not particularly pleased > with the @#$% ARB blowing the o-ring, and would not like to deal with this > again.... Why not get a stock axle from Toyota. The 60 series came with cable lockers and the splines should be the same length as the electric locker. Ready, Fire, Aim To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: "Peter Straub" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:25:24 -0000 I just got the Land Cruiser 50th anniversary book that Spectre is selling. They have a picture of the centre console of a 60 series with the levers for the front and rear cable lockers, right behind the lever for the parking brake. I felt a great longing and desire as I examined that little picture. It was probably any Auzzie spec 60, as it was RHD. Peter Straub To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: Henry & Kate Cubillan Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:33:02 -0400 References: TLC of Vasn Nuys had a US-spec FJ60 with the cable-actuated lockers installed in their showroom. It was a white truck, had a lot of non-US parts on it (rear sliding windows, ambo doors, GLX interior). Not only were the levers there, the indicator lights had been added to the dash as well for a completely stock look! Later that week I saw a set of the cable locking differentials/axles at Specter's...sigh! Henry C. To: Subject: Re: Electric Locker on a 60 series? From: rick d Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:43:05 -0600 In-reply-to: on 6/12/01 1:25 PM, Peter Straub at peterjstraub@hotmail.com wrote: > I just got the Land Cruiser 50th anniversary book that Spectre is selling. > They have a picture of the centre console of a 60 series with the levers for > the front and rear cable lockers, right behind the lever for the parking > brake. I felt a great longing and desire as I examined that little picture. > It was probably any Auzzie spec 60, as it was RHD. > > Peter Straub There is one possessed LC owner I know of who took a US FJ60 and fully converted it to a HJ61 w/ cable lockers. A good friend of Specter's, he drilled out the spot welds for the floor unit from a donor truck Marv got in, replaced the shock tube in the frame (with a OEM special ordered) ..with the cable locker tube that puts one shock in front and the other rear of the axle, etc.etc. he has since rolled the truck and it sits tarped in his backyard somewhere in LA.... rick From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: [LCML] J10 hydraulic suspension malfunctioning - any ideas? Priority: normal Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:35:27 +0100 On 19 Jun 02 at 21:48, Henrik Christensen (henrik.ch wrote: > Hi > > Someone once said: KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid). Well, You might say that I > did not - I bought my J10 equippped with the hydraulic suspension system, and > it has now run around 85K km (60K miles) all just fine. > > But the suspension system no longer working as intended: The system says it is > in 'normal' height, but the front is way too high and nearly has no > suspensional function left due to this height - rear works fine most of the > time. Attempting to change the height on the buttons does not work - maybe it > signals a try, but it ends up without changed, and often it gives up > instantaniously. > > After a nights stand it lowers the front to what I would say is really > normal upon starting the engine, but just after driving a short while (less > than 20 yards) it all messes up again. > > Only rarely (seen twice) the OFF signal is flashing, indicating system > failure. Otherwise no error codes are set, so my garage (authorized!) is > having lots of trouble diagnosing the reason for this behaviour. They have so > far replaced the rear system feeler (it is said to look at the other end of > vehicle for unwanted behaviour!), but that regrettably changed nothing. > > I would not want anyone to try riding in a vehicle in this state. Without much > suspensional function, any irregularrity on the road (dont even think trying > offroad) bumps up to the cabin, and You feel quite horrible in the head even > after a few miles on anything but the utmost plane and even highways. My HJ60 > floats like a limo on comparison ... > > The suspensional system is the same as delivered with the Lexus-470. > > My personal guess is one of the front feelers, since while driving it seems > much less suspensive in the right side that in the left - indicating in my > view a wrong height corrections especially at the right side. > > But I have learned to take advice on such systems - my former car had a > similar system too (on a French Citröen XM-110), and the somewhat same > behaviour was due to a pure mechanical failure: Binding rear swing bearings. > Quite a lot of other hydraulic stuff was changed without much (but some) > improvement, until a competent mechanic knew by expirience, that this typical > error (he knew!) came from the rear bearings being stuck. > > But this is hardly the reason in the case of my J10, since the back does > work fine most of the time - the rear was quite affected too on my > Citroën.... > > Any expiriences to cure this matter is greatly appreciated. Going on holiday > in it soon, I would not want this to be unsolved in a week, so please > advice.... Thanks in advance... Dump the entire system, and replace it with a normal/aftermarket suspension....the damn system doesn't cope with more than 600kg load anyway, (or get very finicky below that, in combination with a heavy trailer(tongue-weight)....600kg is about half what a decent Cruiser should take, and could be a nightmare on holidays (suppose you pack your luggage the evening before with an empty tank, no passengers....the mind boggles). I once measured 3500kg with an HDJ-80, 4 people plus ski-gear for 2 weeks (2x Thule 250L)....all that still without twin-spare tire-carrier, and without larger fueltank.... > '85 HJ60 stock but dual 61-lockers, Any tips for the installation of the cable controls? Also swapped in an 61-locking fullfloater rear axle I assume? I am about to do the same one day.... > 33x10,5 BFG-MT/KO on 7x15", Milemarker > H12 hydraulic even with dual generator and triple optimas, AC-driven air. Still have normal AC? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Henrik Christensen (henrik.christensen@dk2net.dk)" To: Subject: SV: [LCML] J10 hydraulic suspension malfunctioning - any ideas? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:30:36 +0200 Hi Willem-Jan Hm - have thought about a complete replacement, and have had the load limiting problems, You mention. But it does run very comfortable, when it works, and it has done that until now. So I'll still give it a chance, that the problem is very small, but hard to find ... My 61-lockers installation were a very simple replacement of the banjo housings and the gears onto the standard 60-axels. The cables sit on top of the banjo's and is routed directly to the center of the car, where the 61-pushrod set is mounted and connected to the levers mounted between the front seats inside the cabin. Ahother list member have asked similar offlist and got some photo's - I'll forward the same to You directly. My HJ60 did not have aircon fittede before - the A/C compressor is from a parted Ford, I think, and I only use it for the air option. Henrik Christensen Email hec@tdcadsl.dk '85 HJ60 stock but dual 61-lockers, 33x10,5 BFG-MT/KO on 7x15", Milemarker H12 hydraulic even with dual generator and triple optimas, AC-driven air. From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: hec@dk2net.dk Copies to: landcruisers@tlca.org Priority: normal Subject: [LCML] Re: HJ60 with -61 lockers, photo of setup Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:19:12 +0100 On 20 Jun 02 at 7:27, Henrik Christensen (henrik.ch wrote: > Hi Willem-Jan > > As You might have read on list, here is a forward of my information to > another lister. Very interesting, thanx! Didn't know there were so many quite heavy metal parts involved....makes me wonder how to improve that when starting with the locking-diff's only (plus rear FF), without controls (that is the option I have right now). What is the main purpose of the rods & linkage: converting 'travel' into 'force', or just reversing the direction, converting pull into push? Ever seen a different non-OEM solution? Could it work with one long cable, and a flip-over lever (with an 'elbow' (or 'knee'?), locking mechanically in both extreme positions)....seems the agricultural (and aero?) industry offers quite a range of cable-operating mechanisms.... -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Henrik Christensen (henrik.christensen@dk2net.dk)" To: Copies to: Subject: [LCML] SV: HJ60 with -61 lockers, photo of setup Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:47:53 +0200 Hi I would expect the setup to be possible without the pushrod assembly standard on a -61, since the lockers activation is obtained from pulling the cables. The standard setup does assure, that the cables is kept away from the rotating driveshafts, that the front locker cannot be activated when the rear locker is not, and converts the long cabin pull into a somewhat smaller cable pull, thus offering a somewhat more easy operation. Other than that, I see no purpose for the rods - I'll ask a more expirienced buddy of mine, if more purposes are fullfilled by the standard setup, and inform the list in that case. I have not seen any alternative mounting, since the standard assembly follows the axels on parting, and most without lockers finds complete parted assemblies to setup at first - if they dont go for the ARB AIR lockers instead. Never heard anyone break the lockers themselves on the -61 setup (wich does not mean it never happens, though), only heard one tearing the gears themselves apart. The breaking effects of lockers on 60/61-series seems primarily to be at the joints, and normally only when handled cautionsless. Tire size around here is mostly 33x12,5 ... The standard setup is easy to modify, so the front can be locked without the rear. It is merely a mechanical blockage to cut off, if so desired. This is of course for the cautious users only, since breakage is much more likely at the front joints than anywhere at the rear ... Henrik Christensen Email hec@tdcadsl.dk '85 HJ60 stock but dual 61-lockers, 33x10,5 BFG-MT/KO on 7x15", Milemarker H12 hydraulic even with dual generator and triple optimas, AC-driven air. To: landcruisers@tlca.org From: Dave Stedman Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: HJ60 with -61 lockers, photo of setup Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:33:11 +0900 At 13:19 6/20/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Didn't know there were so many quite heavy metal parts >involved....makes me wonder how to improve that when starting with >the locking-diff's only (plus rear FF), without controls (that is the >option I have right now). Get a set of small double acting air cylinders, mount on diff housing. $10 each or so. Run them off the vacuum. >What is the main purpose of the rods & linkage: converting 'travel' >into 'force', or just reversing the direction, converting pull into >push? Yes. >Ever seen a different non-OEM solution? Yes. >Could it work with one long cable, and a flip-over lever (with an >'elbow' (or 'knee'?), locking mechanically in both extreme >positions)....seems the agricultural (and aero?) industry offers >quite a range of cable-operating mechanisms.... Sure, it could also work with a small idiot riding on the axle housing pushing on the lever with his boot heel every time you jerk on the rope tied around his privates. Any problem will invite infinite solutions unless you come up with some guidelines :-) Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan 1978 FJ40 plus some stuff Short 1990 FJ75 plus 289 kilos of steel tubing, rear disks and scratched paint. 2001 human From: Michael Swenson To: "landcruisers@tlca.org" Subject: [LCML] cable locker for land cruiser on ebay Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:43:42 -0600 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838007206 Well there is a reserve, but it is only at $10 Looks like the entire differential with locker for a 93-98 land cruiser (new). Wish that would pop into my 75' fj-40. However, I am sure someone needs this. Just saw it and decided to pass it on. Tried to get the guy to tell me the reserve, but no reply as of yet. Michael From: "Briggs Evans" <78fj@comcast.net> To: Subject: RE: [LCML] cable locker for land cruiser on ebay Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:39:05 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: landcruisers-admin@tlca.org On Behalf Of Barry McCoin Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:29 PM > -----Original Message----- > >>Will this work in the front axle of my 78 FJ40? >> >>Briggs > > Yes, but you need the longer axle shaft and two longer studs Why the longer axle shaft? Which side? (both) How much longer? Briggs From: "Barry McCoin" To: Subject: RE: [LCML] cable locker for land cruiser on ebay Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:50:37 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: landcruisers-admin@tlca.org On Behalf Of Briggs Evans Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:39 PM > Why the longer axle shaft? Which side? (both) How much longer? > > Briggs Actuator side as far as I remember. I think that's the short side. There are a couple places that will sell you a manufactured one, and there is an actual toyota axle that will work. Out of a bj70 maybe? Dunno. Check the archives, this has been discussed by MANY people on this list. To: landcruisers@tlca.org From: Dave Stedman Subject: RE: [LCML] cable locker for land cruiser on ebay Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:08:28 +0900 At 13:50 6/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Actuator side as far as I remember. I think that's the short side. For the front that would be the long side. > There >are a couple places that will sell you a manufactured one, and there is an >actual toyota axle that will work. Need the part number :-) >Out of a bj70 maybe? Yes. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan 1978 FJ40 plus some stuff Short 1990 FJ75 plus 289 kilos of steel tubing, rear disks and scratched paint. 2001 human To: landcruisers@tlca.org From: Dave Stedman Subject: RE: [LCML] cable locker for land cruiser on ebay Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:12:54 +0900 At 12:39 6/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Why the longer axle shaft? There is a collar that slides on the axle itself and when locked the axle is dogged to the diff case. Hence the need for longer splines. The shaft itself is not longer. > Which side? (both) The long side on the front and the short side on the rear. > How much longer? About 2 ~ 3 cm longer in the splines! Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan 1978 FJ40 plus some stuff Short 1990 FJ75 plus 289 kilos of steel tubing, rear disks and scratched paint. 2001 human Date sent: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:26:49 -0400 From: "Dave Tay" To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] How to recognise an HJ61 & cable lockers Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net w.j.markerink@a1.nl wrote: >PS: anyone ever seen a retrofitted non-factory cable-linkage for a >factory cable locker? I sometimes see only the locker offered, but >not the linkage.... >(there some leverage build into the system, as well as some dash >warning lights, not sure how uncomfortable a 1:1 linkage would be, >sourced from argicultural/industrial cable parts) Willem-Jan, I have a non factory shifter set up for my FJ40 lockers. The cables are made by CableCraft and the shifters are made by Quadrastat Corp. Here's CableCraft's catalog: and here's Quadrastat's website: I chose Quadrastat's shifters mainly because of the looks :) Here's a picture of the shifters installed: The cable connects at the differential similarly as the stock factory cable: The Quadrastat shifter has a 7 to 1 leverage, much higher than the factory 60 shifter. HTH, Dave From: Mark To: landcruisers@tlca.org, gothamcitycruisers@yahoogroups.com, yankeetoys@yahoogroups.com Subject: [LCML] Cable lockers? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:06:08 -0400 I am investigating OEM cable lockers for my US spec FJ60. Is the Toyota cable locker entirely contained in the (removable 3rd member) diff part or would I NEED the entire axle housing and axles? I understand (but do not KNOW for certain) that the cable lockers came on FF and semi-floating rear axles. Mark -- ....................................................................... Mark Woytovich Metro NYC, TLCA#8334 Gotham City Land Cruisers http://www.gclcny.com FJ60, FJ40 http://www.woytovich.com/cruisers From: Eric A Vogt To: "'landcruisers@tlca.org'" Subject: RE: [LCML] Cable lockers? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:19:14 -0600 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark [SMTP:FJ-60Mark@woytovich.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:06 AM > > I am investigating OEM cable lockers for my US spec FJ60. > > Is the Toyota cable locker entirely contained in the (removable 3rd > member) diff part or would I NEED the entire axle housing and axles? > I understand (but do not KNOW for certain) that the cable lockers > came on FF and semi-floating rear axles. > > Mark You need to have a fullfloater to make it work. You can't have a C clip axle. The question I've always had is whether or not a Warn fullfloating kit would work to convert a US spec'd semi floater to a full floater. Also, about 2 months ago Spector had the fullfloaters without a third member for like $379 if you were a sor member. I don't know if this special has been discontinued or not. Eric V. www.nwcruisers.com 85 FJ60 350TBI Ranger Underdrive OME Rancho 9000s TLC Farms bumpers & sliders ADIDALC"dents are like tattoos but with better stories" Mtn. Home, IDaho From: David Tay To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: [LCML] Cable lockers? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:29:35 -0400 (EDT) ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Mark Date: 10/22/2002 11:06am > I am investigating OEM cable lockers for my US spec FJ60. > > Is the Toyota cable locker entirely contained in the (removable 3rd > member) diff part or would I NEED the entire axle housing and axles? While it's entirely contained in the third member, there are some other parts outside of the diff that are needed. Also only FF axles that came with a locker have the necessary longer splines. Dave From: "Jose A Merced" Subject: Re: [LCML] Cable lockers? To: landcruisers@tlca.org Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:32:30 -0400 On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:19:14 -0600 Eric A Vogt wrote: >You need to have a fullfloater to make it work. You can't have a C clip >axle. The question I've always had is whether or not a Warn fullfloating >kit would work to convert a US spec'd semi floater to a full floater. Also, >about 2 months ago Spector had the fullfloaters without a third member for >like $379 if you were a sor member. I don't know if this special has been >discontinued or not. SOR still have them. From: David Tay To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: [LCML] Cable lockers? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:24:32 -0400 (EDT) ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Eric A Vogt Date: 10/22/2002 09:19am > You need to have a fullfloater to make it work. You can't have a C clip > axle. The question I've always had is whether or not a Warn fullfloating > kit would work to convert a US spec'd semi floater to a full floater. The Warn FF kit won't work as the locker needs a longer splined passenger side axle, just like the electric locker. Dave From: "Bruce Loewen" To: Subject: Re: [LCML] Cable lockers? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:43:24 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tay" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:29 AM > While it's entirely contained in the third member, there are some > other parts outside of the diff that are needed. Also only FF axles > that came with a locker have the necessary longer splines. > > Dave On that note, I'm in the market for, preferably, the front axle for a 40 series to use a Toyota locker. Would also consider the rear FF long spline axle as an alternative. I thought about putting the e-locker in the front and a Detroit or similar in the rear but would change plans if access to axles required it. Somebody out there is making the long splined front shaft for a 40 front end. Anyone remember who? The rear is just a FF, cable locker 60 or 70 series shaft. I can get it from the dealer but its pricey. All comments appreciated. Cheers, Bruce Loewen TLCA 5513 Calgary AB Rocky Mountain LCs www.rmlca.ab.ca '86 HJ60, '86BJ70, '78FJ45, '53M100 From: "Corey Wissenback" To: Subject: RE: [LCML] Cable lockers? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:59:33 -0700 -----Original Message----- From: landcruisers-admin@tlca.org [mailto:landcruisers-admin@tlca.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Loewen Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:43 AM > On that note, I'm in the market for, preferably, the front axle for a 40 > series to use a Toyota locker. Would also consider the rear FF long spline > axle as an alternative. I thought about putting the e-locker in the front > and a Detroit or similar in the rear but would change plans if access to > axles required it. Somebody out there is making the long splined front shaft > for a 40 front end. Anyone remember who? The rear is just a FF, cable locker > 60 or 70 series shaft. I can get it from the dealer but its pricey. > > All comments appreciated. > > Cheers, > Bruce Loewen TLCA 5513 Calgary AB I believe CV Unlimited makes the front inner locker shaft. Subject: RE: [LCML] Cable lockers? From: "Williams, Lance" To: Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:04:39 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Loewen [mailto:bruce@uniserve.com] > Somebody out there is making the long splined front shaft > for a 40 front end. Anyone remember who? The rear is just a FF, cable locker 60 > or 70 series shaft. I can get it from the dealer but its pricey. If it's the same as is used on the e-locker you want OEM Toyota (to fit FJ40 you want PN:43412-60060, the front long side inner axle from a 70 series, pre 1991, non-us obviously) or CV Unlimited. HTH, Lance To: landcruisers@tlca.org From: Dave Stedman Subject: Re: [LCML] Cable lockers? Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:53:23 +0900 At 11:06 10/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Is the Toyota cable locker entirely contained in the (removable 3rd >member) diff part Yes. >or would I NEED the entire axle housing and axles? 3rd member and short side rear shaft, long side front shaft. >I understand (but do not KNOW for certain) that the cable lockers >came on FF and semi-floating rear axles. FF only. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com From: KRTHID V To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: [LCML] Cable lockers, E-locker Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:31:19 -0500 I have a destroyed the rear electric locker actuator housing on the 94 FZJ80. Has anyone got the Toyota cable locker to work in its place? Where do I get one? My other option is to get the cable locker from Downey or find a actuator that is not working and use my parts in it. Anyone know where to find one or know of a 80 at a junk yard? kurt tlca12182 94fzj80 87fj60 mauston wi From: David Tay To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: [LCML] Cable lockers, E-locker Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:29:07 -0400 (EDT) ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: KRTHID V Date: 10/22/2002 03:31pm > I have a destroyed the rear electric locker actuator housing on the 94 FZJ80. > Has anyone got the Toyota cable locker to work in its place? Where do I get one? > My other option is to get the cable locker from Downey or find a actuator that is > not working and use my parts in it. Anyone know where to find one or know of > a 80 at a junk yard? > > kurt tlca12182 > 94fzj80 87fj60 > mauston wi Kurt, the factory lockers have different housings. The cable actuator will not bolt on to the e-locker housing. OTOH Downey's cable conversion is meant to replace the actuator mechanism on the e- locker, so this is probably the easier way to go. Dave From: "Gary Breitbach" To: Sender: landcruisers-admin@tlca.org Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:32:00 -0800 >Eric wrote ----------- The question I've always had is whether or not a Warn fullfloating kit would work to convert a US spec'd semi floater to a full floater. >--------------------- If your question is, will the Warn FF kit work with the Toyota electric third member, the answer is yes. I am running the Warn FF kit, and the Warn Birfield Eliminator and have Toyota electric third members front and rear. Although I have two burned out actuator motors and need to give Downey a call. But, you do have to get the later axles. The first ones did not have long enough splines, 1/2" too short. They changed the length of the splines shortly after production started to support the electric lockers. Gary Breitbach breitbach@attbi.com TLCA# 6227 '76 FJ40 Portland (Cedar Mill), Oregon Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net From: "Henrik Christensen" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] Now -60 lockers, Was:5th gear in the H55F Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:03:08 +0100 -----Original Message----- From: dtlc-owner@helios.net [mailto:dtlc-owner@helios.net]On Behalf Of Denis Decoster Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 3:09 PM Henrik Christensen a écrit: > > Henrik Christensen > > ... And an '85 HJ60 > > stock but dual 61-lockers, > > Henrik, > > May I ask you where and what for you got your lockers ? > > TIA, > > Denis Hi Sure... One of my buddies had a couple of axels with all the levers and cables stripped from a partly scrapped HJ61, from wich I bought a banjo-swap with the levers etc and added new bearings in one of them. He was then left with my two banjo's instead, but still had two complete axels, and the sum I gave him for the swap. I wanted the lockers, because my limited slip only rear was useless for real offroad driving - have one wheel in the air or otherwise without traction, and I would go nowhere from that whole axel, leaving traction only at the other one just until one of those wheels slipped, then I would be (was indeed several times) completely stuck. The HJ60 is very often (mine is indeed) far too heavy to move on slippery grounds from the traction of only one tire - with the lockers I can now drive nearly anywhere, as long as the ground is not so soft, that I get buried to the frame - at wich point lockers does little difference and only winching makes real sense. So in my expirience the difference is huge - some of my buddies still have the standard limited slip, and either uses their winch a whole lot more, or stays out of the area. But since they mostly run EMU raised suspension (and I run stock), I can still get stuck on my center more often than most of the others - if I'm not carefull enough in my choise of path. And I can break my front birfields a lot easier, if I'm careless enough (have been, of course). Henrik Christensen Email hec@tdcadsl.dk '00 VX100 4.7LE stock with all options but 285/75 BFG-AT/KO. And an '85 HJ60 stock but dual 61-lockers, 33x10,5 BFG-MT/KO on 7x15", Milemarker H12 hydraulic and various other self-recovery gear. _____________________________________________________________________ GRAND JEU SMS : Pour gagner un NOKIA 7650, envoyez le mot IF au 61321 (prix d'un SMS + 0.35 euro). Un SMS vous dira si vous avez gagné. Règlement : http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/sign.sms From: "Cruiserhead Ben" To: Subject: Re: [LCML] electric locker for 40 Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:02:40 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Henry" To: Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [LCML] electric locker for 40 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:57 AM > Subject: [LCML] electric locker for 40 > > > > I've searched the archives but have been unable to get a clear answer..... > > I have access to an 80 series diff with an electric locker. What is involved > > to install this in the rear of my 40? I gather that I will need new axles, > > who supplies them? Is the pinion flange the same or what would accomodate my > > driveshaft(73)? Thanks Seth > > You will need to convert ther rear end to a full floater. The long side axle > shaft need to be long splined. It's be similiarly priced to get a full > floater rear end from an FJ60 than to use an aftermarket conversion kit > (Depending on if you can get sor or whoever to ship the FF rear end cheaply > enough). > > If you can swing it, I think that would be the best way to go, but then > again, you may be cheaper just getting an ARB. > > > James H. > SLC, Utah. > 76 FJ40 'Blood Sucker' > TLCA #11233 > FJ40OMERS900035InchMTR's Non-USADistJimCCarbStock otherwise. > "Who needs a locker when you've got secondaries???" > Actually, for the REAR of a 40 series (and 60 and 70 and 80 etc etc) you need the short side axle to be the long splined one and for the FRONT (again any series) you need the long side inner axle to be long splined. But indeed you do need a full-float rear--the front is already full float if it's stock LC axle. The pinion flange will be different on a 73, but I beleive you can just rotate it a bit and drill new holes to mate it. And I also agree with how great this swap could be. I am currently working on this project for my FJ60 and finding just the right price etc etc on the goods. Ben Subject: Re: [LCML] electric locker for 40 From: Dominic von Stoesser To: landcruisers@birfield.com Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:17:02 +0200 On Friday, Feb 7, 2003, at 21:09 Africa/Johannesburg, James Henry wrote: > You will need to convert ther rear end to a full floater. The long > side axle > shaft need to be long splined. Agreed on the full floater, but the locker is on the short side, and it's the short side shafts that need to be long splined. If you're putting the locker up front, you need to long spline the long side. You also need the 4wdECU, unless you're converting the locker to be cable acutated, as the ECU contains all the gadgetry that coordinates the lock status indicator (good thing to have, as you sometimes can't hear it disengage). I don't know if it's already in there, but I *really, really* *strongly* recommend the 4 spider gear 3rd member. Cheers - dom +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dominic von Stoesser 1995 HZJ75 Troop Carrier | | TLCA #11131 2001 Uri Desert Runner Wagon | | http://kavandje.cruiserpages.com/ in pieces --> 1971 FJ40 | +---------------"Sometimes, there just isn't a bypass."----------------+ From: "Bob Bancroft" To: Subject: [LCML] FF Cable Lock Intall Help - please Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:34:13 -0800 All things LCML: http://www.birfield.com/mailman/listinfo/landcruisers I'm in search of some suggestions on how to solve some install problems with my cable lockers, any ideas would be appreciated. I've got an 84 FJ60, H55 and an Auxilary Fuel Tank that sits behind the T/C between the exhaust and the driveline. The cable lock acuators are ment to install in the cab directly behind the parking brake, but my Aux. Tank is in the way on the underside. So, we're trying to figure out the best remedy. A) I can lose my aux. tank and get a long range tank (most expensive) B) we can make our own cables & mount somewhere else C) 70 Series Acuators that install under the dash D) ??? Also, we need to modify the rear right shock mount to clear the locker, ideas and/or photos from any of you who have faced these issues would be appreciated. BTW - I should have recently rebuilt 60 series axles FS, ARB in rear, 3.70 gears if anyone is interested. And possibly a 20 gallon Aux. Fuel Tank. Bob Bancroft, 84-60, Bend, Oregon From: Mark Whatley To: landcruisers@birfield.com Subject: Re: [LCML] FF Cable Lock Intall Help - please Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:40:41 -0900 All things LCML: http://www.birfield.com/mailman/listinfo/landcruisers Bob Bancroft wrote: >All things LCML: http://www.birfield.com/mailman/listinfo/landcruisers > >I'm in search of some suggestions on how to solve some install problems >with my cable lockers, any ideas would be appreciated. > >I've got an 84 FJ60, H55 and an Auxilary Fuel Tank that sits behind the >T/C between the exhaust and the driveline. The cable lock acuators are >ment to install in the cab directly behind the parking brake, but my >Aux. Tank is in the way on the underside. So, we're trying to figure out >the best remedy. > >A) I can lose my aux. tank and get a long range tank (most expensive) >B) we can make our own cables & mount somewhere else >C) 70 Series Acuators that install under the dash >D) ??? > Make/buy/find different cables. Mark... -- Mark Whatley Owner, Cruisers Only, Wasilla Alaska Mailto:cruiser@mtaonline.net Technical Editor, Toyota Trails, TLCA Mailto:techexchange@tlca.org Alaska Cruiser Trek 2001! http://www.aktrek.somewhere.net Alaska Cruiser Trek 2002! http://www.xplorn.com/ACT2002 Alaska Cruiser Trek 2003! http://www.xplorn.com/ACT2003 From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: landcruisers@birfield.com Subject: Re: [LCML] FF Cable Lock Intall Help - please Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 20:31:11 +0200 All things LCML: http://www.birfield.com/mailman/listinfo/landcruisers On 4 Apr 2003 at 9:34, Bob Bancroft wrote: > All things LCML: http://www.birfield.com/mailman/listinfo/landcruisers > > I'm in search of some suggestions on how to solve some install > problems with my cable lockers, any ideas would be appreciated. > > I've got an 84 FJ60, H55 and an Auxilary Fuel Tank that sits behind > the T/C between the exhaust and the driveline. The cable lock acuators > are ment to install in the cab directly behind the parking brake, but > my Aux. Tank is in the way on the underside. So, we're trying to > figure out the best remedy. > > A) I can lose my aux. tank and get a long range tank (most expensive) > B) we can make our own cables & mount somewhere else C) 70 Series > Acuators that install under the dash D) ??? > > Also, we need to modify the rear right shock mount to clear the > locker, ideas and/or photos from any of you who have faced these > issues would be appreciated. > > BTW - I should have recently rebuilt 60 series axles FS, ARB in rear, > 3.70 gears if anyone is interested. And possibly a 20 gallon Aux. Fuel > Tank. > > Bob Bancroft, 84-60, Bend, Oregon > See about halfway down this file with list-mails on my homepage, it mentions an aftermarket system of cable-control, with URL for further pix: http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/tlc_lock.txt -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]