Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5NJ0RK17470 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:00:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5NIupu19354; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:56:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from 207.161.70.100 (f-70-100-biz.mts.net [207.161.70.100]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5NIugu17321 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:56:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from zrqzmlmh (unverified [207.161.70.104]) by 207.161.70.100 (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:49:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c0fc15$e68eb9c0$2b64a8c0@zrqzmlmh> From: tlove@pein.org To: "RMLCA" , "Diesel Land Cruiser List" Subject: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:54:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Antirelay: Good relay from local net16 207.161.70.104/32 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 282 Status: Hello folks Are all 60 series front axles interchangeable? If so what is the going price for a rebuildable front axle? I am looking for a summer project, ie. total rebuild of a front axle and then swap it into my HJ in the fall? Thanks Jeremy Love TLCA#6638 86 HJ60 tlove@pein.org -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5NJkTK18559 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:46:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5NJaHu29121; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:36:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.getglobal.net (mail.getglobal.net [208.252.32.10]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5NJa9u32586 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.5.161.37] (d-207-5-161-37.s-way.com[207.5.161.37])by FILESERVER(MailMax 3.065) with ESMTP id 77302820 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:41:16 -0400 EDT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:35:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility From: "fj40@getglobal.net" To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c0fc15$e68eb9c0$2b64a8c0@zrqzmlmh> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1071 Status: Hi, The HJ60 axle and the FJ62 axles are gusseted for extra strength. The regular FJ60's are not. There are some driveshaft flange differences, I think 4/1985 through 1990 have the correct flange. Other then those differences all of the 6x series axles are the same as far as size/parts interchangeability etc. HTH- James- NH, USA - mailto:fj40@getglobal.net TLCA # 8768 1978 FJ40 - 4" lift/Hyper Shackles/no slip rear/33's/etc. 1996 LX450 - Lockers, Leather, Premium Sound, w/lots of trail dents:) 1987 HJ60 "Kanga" - The Street Cruiser. > From: tlove@pein.org > Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net > Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:54:10 -0500 > To: "RMLCA" , "Diesel Land Cruiser List" > Subject: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > Hello folks > Are all 60 series front axles interchangeable? If so what is the going price > for a rebuildable front axle? I am looking for a summer project, ie. total > rebuild of a front axle and then swap it into my HJ in the fall? Thanks > Jeremy Love > TLCA#6638 > 86 HJ60 > tlove@pein.org > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5OFt5K11238 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:55:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5OFmY828412; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:48:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5OFmL824231 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:48:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA67898 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:48:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-54.a1.nl (dialup-66-54.a1.nl [213.171.66.54]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5OFmuK11111 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:48:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106241548.f5OFmuK11111@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:52:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 1526 Status: On 23 Jun 01 at 15:35, fj40@getglobal.net wrote: > Hi, > The HJ60 axle and the FJ62 axles are gusseted for extra strength. > The regular FJ60's are not. > There are some driveshaft flange differences, I think 4/1985 through 1990 > have the correct flange. > > Other then those differences all of the 6x series axles are the same as far > as size/parts interchangeability etc. Btw, how about rear axles....are there any more differences between 1983 and 1990 than full- vs semi-floater? Brakes? Flanges? Splines, diff- or wheel-side? Bearings? Last week I located a full-floater, from a HJ-61 (with LSD; German 61's often had LSD's, and only therefore FF I guess), which would finally allow me to proceed with a locker, probably an OEM cable-locker (can be had for US$1000 new, entire 3rd member). Being 87-90, I don't expect any incompabilities with my 1987 HJ-60, and if any, only a minor detail with the brake connection. Also a nice excuse to squeeze in another OME leaf, and create 11311....;)) Btw, I just browsed around a bit on Jan Schille's site.... http://www.geocities.com/landcruiser75/ ....and noticed that the newer 78-series comes with a default 4-spider ('differential pinions') diff carrier....which automatically means full-floater (no way to access the C-clips, semi-floaters were 2-spider). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5OJTmK17009 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:29:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5OJOw830927; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from harppi.kpo.fi (harppi.kpo.fi [212.116.32.130]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5OJOs819271 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:24:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from nitchiwam (line164.dyn.tutka.net [212.116.34.164]) by harppi.kpo.fi (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA20203 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:24:46 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <002701c0fce4$c6725aa0$dc2274d4@nitchiwam> From: "Philippe Trottier" To: References: <200106241548.f5OFmuK11111@mail.a1.nl> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:34:58 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 269 Status: > ....and noticed that the newer 78-series comes with a default > 4-spider ('differential pinions') diff carrier....which > automatically means full-floater (no way to access the C-clips, > semi-floaters were 2-spider). No "C-clip" doesn't mean Full floater... Phil -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5OMNm421602 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:23:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5OMJ6800496; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5OMIw827369 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:18:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27038 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:18:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-54.a1.nl (dialup-66-54.a1.nl [213.171.66.54]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5OMJb421517 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:19:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:45:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 1516 Status: On 24 Jun 01 at 22:34, Philippe Trottier wrote: > > ....and noticed that the newer 78-series comes with a default > > 4-spider ('differential pinions') diff carrier....which > > automatically means full-floater (no way to access the C-clips, > > semi-floaters were 2-spider). > > No "C-clip" doesn't mean Full floater... I doubt Toyota copied the design of the 4Runner/8" rear axle, a semifloater without C-clips (it's more that they moved the C-clips to the wheel-side if I understand that design correctly)....not if they have a true FF on the shelves. (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) Btw, while I'll have that FF open anyway: are there any aftermarket half-shafts that are much stronger than stock? Just in case I also ever manage to mount that 1/2.8 low gear ratio from Marks4wd, or throw in an entire 250hp/600Nm drive train from the latest 1HD common rail incarnation....gotta be prepared for the next 20 years, don't I?....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5OMZf421890 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:35:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5OMVM811289; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:31:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from harppi.kpo.fi (harppi.kpo.fi [212.116.32.130]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5OMVJ820883 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:31:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from nitchiwam (line187.dyn.tutka.net [212.116.34.187]) by harppi.kpo.fi (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA21853 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:31:16 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <001801c0fcfe$d3a25da0$022274d4@nitchiwam> From: "Philippe Trottier" To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:41:28 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1419 Status: > On 24 Jun 01 at 22:34, Philippe Trottier wrote: > > > > ....and noticed that the newer 78-series comes with a default > > > 4-spider ('differential pinions') diff carrier....which > > > automatically means full-floater (no way to access the C-clips, > > > semi-floaters were 2-spider). > > > > No "C-clip" doesn't mean Full floater... > > I doubt Toyota copied the design of the 4Runner/8" rear axle, a > semifloater without C-clips (it's more that they moved the C-clips > to the wheel-side if I understand that design correctly)....not if > they have a true FF on the shelves. > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > Btw, while I'll have that FF open anyway: are there any aftermarket > half-shafts that are much stronger than stock? > Just in case I also ever manage to mount that 1/2.8 low gear ratio > from Marks4wd, or throw in an entire 250hp/600Nm drive train > from the latest 1HD common rail incarnation....gotta be prepared for > the next 20 years, don't I?....;)) Have them here, what type ? from 56000lbs/ft to 140Klbs/ft ... Phil -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5P0D9423835 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 02:13:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5P09r800906; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.115]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5P09n819959 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:09:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:09:43 -0700 Received: from 198.164.242.8 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:09:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.164.242.8] From: michel_bertin@hotmail.com To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:09:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2001 00:09:43.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[22FC46C0:01C0FD0B] Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2090 Status: When you say OEM cable locker for landcruiser would you have a part number for that. I've been asking Toyota for about a year if that was available. Thanks, Michel Bertin 1990 BJ75 1986 HJ60 1985 BJ70 >From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl >Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net >To: dtlc@helios.net >Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:52:24 +0100 > >On 23 Jun 01 at 15:35, fj40@getglobal.net wrote: > > > Hi, > > The HJ60 axle and the FJ62 axles are gusseted for extra strength. > > The regular FJ60's are not. > > There are some driveshaft flange differences, I think 4/1985 through >1990 > > have the correct flange. > > > > Other then those differences all of the 6x series axles are the same as >far > > as size/parts interchangeability etc. > >Btw, how about rear axles....are there any more differences between >1983 and 1990 than full- vs semi-floater? Brakes? Flanges? Splines, >diff- or wheel-side? Bearings? > >Last week I located a full-floater, from a HJ-61 (with LSD; German >61's often had LSD's, and only therefore FF I guess), which would >finally allow me to proceed with a locker, probably an OEM >cable-locker (can be had for US$1000 new, entire 3rd member). > >Being 87-90, I don't expect any incompabilities with my 1987 HJ-60, >and if any, only a minor detail with the brake connection. >Also a nice excuse to squeeze in another OME leaf, and create >11311....;)) > >Btw, I just browsed around a bit on Jan Schille's site.... > >http://www.geocities.com/landcruiser75/ > >....and noticed that the newer 78-series comes with a default >4-spider ('differential pinions') diff carrier....which >automatically means full-floater (no way to access the C-clips, >semi-floaters were 2-spider). > > >-- >Bye, > >Willem-Jan Markerink > > The desire to understand >is sometimes far less intelligent than > the inability to understand > > >[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5PDeal06510 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:40:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5PDbl811033; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 06:37:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5PDbh829117 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 06:37:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from earthlink.net ([24.168.218.108]) by mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3B368D7C.8070703@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:01:48 -0400 From: cubillan@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2709 Status: O Be prepared for SERIOUS sticker shock, not to mention the additional parts you have to source to make it work. Best to do a Toyota electric locker, probably cheaper in the long run.... H. michel_bertin@hotmail.com wrote: > When you say OEM cable locker for landcruiser would you have a part > number for that. I've been asking Toyota for about a year if that was > available. > > Thanks, > > Michel Bertin > 1990 BJ75 > 1986 HJ60 > 1985 BJ70 > >> From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl >> Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net >> To: dtlc@helios.net >> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility >> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:52:24 +0100 >> >> On 23 Jun 01 at 15:35, fj40@getglobal.net wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > The HJ60 axle and the FJ62 axles are gusseted for extra strength. >> > The regular FJ60's are not. >> > There are some driveshaft flange differences, I think 4/1985 >> through 1990 >> > have the correct flange. >> > >> > Other then those differences all of the 6x series axles are the >> same as far >> > as size/parts interchangeability etc. >> >> Btw, how about rear axles....are there any more differences between >> 1983 and 1990 than full- vs semi-floater? Brakes? Flanges? Splines, >> diff- or wheel-side? Bearings? >> >> Last week I located a full-floater, from a HJ-61 (with LSD; German >> 61's often had LSD's, and only therefore FF I guess), which would >> finally allow me to proceed with a locker, probably an OEM >> cable-locker (can be had for US$1000 new, entire 3rd member). >> >> Being 87-90, I don't expect any incompabilities with my 1987 HJ-60, >> and if any, only a minor detail with the brake connection. >> Also a nice excuse to squeeze in another OME leaf, and create >> 11311....;)) >> >> Btw, I just browsed around a bit on Jan Schille's site.... >> >> http://www.geocities.com/landcruiser75/ >> >> ....and noticed that the newer 78-series comes with a default >> 4-spider ('differential pinions') diff carrier....which >> automatically means full-floater (no way to access the C-clips, >> semi-floaters were 2-spider). >> >> >> -- >> Bye, >> >> Willem-Jan Markerink >> >> The desire to understand >> is sometimes far less intelligent than >> the inability to understand >> >> >> [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > -- Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5PGi0l16189 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:44:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5PEgj807025; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 07:42:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.revealed.net (mail.revealed.net [205.243.76.2]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5PEgh824181 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 07:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from station4 ([208.243.237.43]) by ns.revealed.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58799U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:42:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c0fd85$145275c0$2bedf3d0@station4> From: midammatt@revealed.net To: References: <000101c0fc15$e68eb9c0$2b64a8c0@zrqzmlmh> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:42:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 603 Status: O I'll sell you one for $300 US. Shipping could be a pain the fleshy part though. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "RMLCA" ; "Diesel Land Cruiser List" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > Hello folks > Are all 60 series front axles interchangeable? If so what is the going price > for a rebuildable front axle? I am looking for a summer project, ie. total > rebuild of a front axle and then swap it into my HJ in the fall? Thanks > Jeremy Love > TLCA#6638 > 86 HJ60 > tlove@pein.org > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QEFc412054 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:15:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QECX822103; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:12:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QECM805170 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from pstraubspc ([24.68.237.13]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010626141217.KAUZ6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@pstraubspc> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:12:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> From: pstraub@home.com To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:38:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1462 Status: ----- Original Message ----- From: > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding SF, it does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems with the FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting one. The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at transmitting torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I sheared off the six studs in June. The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These never need maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow a bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the maintenance and repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a third world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just the ones that need it. Peter Straub -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5PLN7l29012 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:23:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5PLJ2814197; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5PLIx808438 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:18:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from wayne ([24.67.76.181]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010625211848.LNKA6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@wayne> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: <039b01c0fdbb$cf269da0$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> From: crushersrule@home.com To: References: <000101c0fc15$e68eb9c0$2b64a8c0@zrqzmlmh> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:14:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 616 Status: i have a line on a complete front and rear complete with ARBs and 4.11 gears. let me know... Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: RMLCA ; Diesel Land Cruiser List Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > Hello folks > Are all 60 series front axles interchangeable? If so what is the going price > for a rebuildable front axle? I am looking for a summer project, ie. total > rebuild of a front axle and then swap it into my HJ in the fall? Thanks > Jeremy Love > TLCA#6638 > 86 HJ60 > tlove@pein.org > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5Q2Ucl05003 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 04:30:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5Q2Rk827013; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:27:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from websvr.pein.org (f-70-100-biz.mts.net [207.161.70.100]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5Q2Rc825439 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:27:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from zrqzmlmh (unverified [207.161.70.104]) by websvr.pein.org (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:21:20 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c0fde7$427af140$2964a8c0@zrqzmlmh> From: tlove@pein.org To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:25:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Antirelay: Good relay from local net16 207.161.70.104/32 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 978 Status: Wayne I am afraid to ask..........how much? Would you be interested in trading for my axles?4.11, open front auburn rear? Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: crushersrule@home.com To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility >i have a line on a complete front and rear complete with ARBs and 4.11 >gears. >let me know... >Wayne >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: RMLCA ; Diesel Land Cruiser List >Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:54 PM >Subject: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > >> Hello folks >> Are all 60 series front axles interchangeable? If so what is the going >price >> for a rebuildable front axle? I am looking for a summer project, ie. total >> rebuild of a front axle and then swap it into my HJ in the fall? Thanks >> Jeremy Love >> TLCA#6638 >> 86 HJ60 >> tlove@pein.org >> > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QDOb408348 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:24:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QDMT815627; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QDMM804002 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from wayne ([24.67.76.181]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010626132216.ITCC6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@wayne> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:22:16 -0700 Message-ID: <054801c0fe42$544e7b20$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> From: crushersrule@home.com To: References: <003e01c0fde7$427af140$2964a8c0@zrqzmlmh> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:17:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1382 Status: Jeremy, the axels are 2200 for the pair complete with compressor and lines. i have too many axles at this time to consider the trade, thanks for the offer though. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > Wayne > I am afraid to ask..........how much? Would you be interested in trading for > my axles?4.11, open front auburn rear? > Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: crushersrule@home.com > To: dtlc@helios.net > Date: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > >i have a line on a complete front and rear complete with ARBs and 4.11 > >gears. > >let me know... > >Wayne > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: RMLCA ; Diesel Land Cruiser List > >Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:54 PM > >Subject: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > > >> Hello folks > >> Are all 60 series front axles interchangeable? If so what is the going > >price > >> for a rebuildable front axle? I am looking for a summer project, ie. > total > >> rebuild of a front axle and then swap it into my HJ in the fall? Thanks > >> Jeremy Love > >> TLCA#6638 > >> 86 HJ60 > >> tlove@pein.org > >> > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QFGn416197 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:16:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QFEH832210; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from harppi.kpo.fi (harppi.kpo.fi [212.116.32.130]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QFE9822829 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from nitchiwam (line166.dyn.tutka.net [212.116.34.166]) by harppi.kpo.fi (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA08037 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:14:01 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <006a01c0fe54$2b601900$a62274d4@nitchiwam> From: "Philippe Trottier" To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:24:53 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1967 Status: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the > > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding SF, it > does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems with the > FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting one. > > The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at transmitting > torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I > sheared off the six studs in June. > > The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed > regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These never need > maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow a > bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the > spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. > > So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the maintenance and > repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a third > world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just the > ones that need it. > > Peter Straub Errr, Humm well maybe ... Here everyone has FF, no one ever regreased the hub... front and rear for that mather and people here sell their cruisers when they have around 500Mm So far so good for maintenance... and it is not even written in the user manual... Did you put the 2 guide pin or just the 6 bolts ?, the 2 guide pin take the torque, the bolts transfer the torque by the flange face not the bolt themself A different point of view, Phil -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QFvf418531 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:57:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QFrX827410; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:53:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QFrQ827606 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:53:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from wayne ([24.67.76.181]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010626155320.NMLQ6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@wayne> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:53:20 -0700 Message-ID: <058401c0fe57$6a2392e0$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> From: crushersrule@home.com To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> <006a01c0fe54$2b601900$a62274d4@nitchiwam> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:48:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2493 Status: i had a 97 HZJ with FF rear with only 12,000 miles on it and the rear bearings went. weird feeling when the rear axle is sticking out a foot and a half past the sheet metal when driving down the road... maintence highly recommended. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Philippe Trottier To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > > > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the > > > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > > > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > > > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > > > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > > > Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding SF, it > > does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems with > the > > FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting one. > > > > The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at > transmitting > > torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I > > sheared off the six studs in June. > > > > The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed > > regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These never > need > > maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow a > > bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the > > spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. > > > > So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the maintenance > and > > repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a third > > world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just the > > ones that need it. > > > > Peter Straub > > Errr, Humm well maybe ... Here everyone has FF, no one ever regreased the > hub... front > and rear for that mather and people here sell their cruisers when they have > around 500Mm > > So far so good for maintenance... and it is not even written in the user > manual... > > Did you put the 2 guide pin or just the 6 bolts ?, the 2 guide pin take the > torque, the bolts > transfer the torque by the flange face not the bolt themself > > A different point of view, > Phil > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QGkRj20521 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:46:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QGUH805433; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:30:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QGU7802164 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from wayne ([24.67.76.181]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010626163002.ORIL6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@wayne> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <05a801c0fe5c$8944aec0$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> From: crushersrule@home.com To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> <006a01c0fe54$2b601900$a62274d4@nitchiwam> <058401c0fe57$6a2392e0$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> <010401c0fe5c$d8770920$a62274d4@nitchiwam> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:24:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 3359 Status: yep, rough abuse. ex-mine truck carrying 5000lbs on a regular basis and lack of maintence = short life. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Philippe Trottier To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > Hello, > > Yes maintenance OK, but 12,000miles is nothing, we put on them 500 > 000 to 750 000km > on them, just changing the oil ,sometime...(I do know folks that never even > looked at them.) > > My bet is something was terribly wrong at the installation. > > Phil > > > i had a 97 HZJ with FF rear with only 12,000 miles on it and the rear > > bearings went. weird feeling when the rear axle is sticking out a foot and > a > > half past the sheet metal when driving down the road... > > maintence highly recommended. > > Wayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Philippe Trottier > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > > > > > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using > the > > > > > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > > > > > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > > > > > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > > > > > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > > > > > > > Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding SF, > it > > > > does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems > with > > > the > > > > FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting > one. > > > > > > > > The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at > > > transmitting > > > > torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I > > > > sheared off the six studs in June. > > > > > > > > The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed > > > > regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These > never > > > need > > > > maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow > a > > > > bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the > > > > spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. > > > > > > > > So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the > maintenance > > > and > > > > repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a > third > > > > world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just > > the > > > > ones that need it. > > > > > > > > Peter Straub > > > > > > Errr, Humm well maybe ... Here everyone has FF, no one ever regreased > the > > > hub... front > > > and rear for that mather and people here sell their cruisers when they > > have > > > around 500Mm > > > > > > So far so good for maintenance... and it is not even written in the user > > > manual... > > > > > > Did you put the 2 guide pin or just the 6 bolts ?, the 2 guide pin take > > the > > > torque, the bolts > > > transfer the torque by the flange face not the bolt themself > > > > > > A different point of view, > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QGK3h19507 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:20:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QGGI829913; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:16:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from harppi.kpo.fi (harppi.kpo.fi [212.116.32.130]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QGGA819068 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from nitchiwam (line175.dyn.tutka.net [212.116.34.175]) by harppi.kpo.fi (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA08966 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:16:07 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <010401c0fe5c$d8770920$a62274d4@nitchiwam> From: "Philippe Trottier" To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> <006a01c0fe54$2b601900$a62274d4@nitchiwam> <058401c0fe57$6a2392e0$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:27:04 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2886 Status: Hello, Yes maintenance OK, but 12,000miles is nothing, we put on them 500 000 to 750 000km on them, just changing the oil ,sometime...(I do know folks that never even looked at them.) My bet is something was terribly wrong at the installation. Phil > i had a 97 HZJ with FF rear with only 12,000 miles on it and the rear > bearings went. weird feeling when the rear axle is sticking out a foot and a > half past the sheet metal when driving down the road... > maintence highly recommended. > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Philippe Trottier > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > > > > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the > > > > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > > > > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > > > > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > > > > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > > > > > Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding SF, it > > > does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems with > > the > > > FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting one. > > > > > > The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at > > transmitting > > > torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I > > > sheared off the six studs in June. > > > > > > The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed > > > regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These never > > need > > > maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow a > > > bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the > > > spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. > > > > > > So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the maintenance > > and > > > repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a third > > > world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just > the > > > ones that need it. > > > > > > Peter Straub > > > > Errr, Humm well maybe ... Here everyone has FF, no one ever regreased the > > hub... front > > and rear for that mather and people here sell their cruisers when they > have > > around 500Mm > > > > So far so good for maintenance... and it is not even written in the user > > manual... > > > > Did you put the 2 guide pin or just the 6 bolts ?, the 2 guide pin take > the > > torque, the bolts > > transfer the torque by the flange face not the bolt themself > > > > A different point of view, > > Phil > > > > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QH7sj21244 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:07:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QH4i800857; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from harppi.kpo.fi (harppi.kpo.fi [212.116.32.130]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QH4b816864 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from nitchiwam (line188.dyn.tutka.net [212.116.34.188]) by harppi.kpo.fi (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA09767 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:04:34 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <003a01c0fe63$9d39c440$bc2274d4@nitchiwam> From: "Philippe Trottier" To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> <006a01c0fe54$2b601900$a62274d4@nitchiwam> <058401c0fe57$6a2392e0$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> <010401c0fe5c$d8770920$a62274d4@nitchiwam> <05a801c0fe5c$8944aec0$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:15:35 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 4200 Status: Here they pull Highway speed, horse trailor of about the same weight... my guess this is a one of (aka bad luck), and thank you for specifying the use/abuse... that makes a big difference on the reliability issue... I know a BJ-45 that worked on open mine with a 1800Kg compressor, bolted on instead of the bed, every day was off road with that on the back... the truck got sold with 250 000km. also not kind owners, but careless employees. Military Bj-75/PZj-75 are used with Electric Generators, usually a V8 + genny they are carried everyday from place to place... (-HINT- they don't need genny where road is) Phil > yep, rough abuse. ex-mine truck carrying 5000lbs on a regular basis and lack > of maintence = short life. > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Philippe Trottier > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > Hello, > > > > Yes maintenance OK, but 12,000miles is nothing, we put on them 500 > > 000 to 750 000km > > on them, just changing the oil ,sometime...(I do know folks that never > even > > looked at them.) > > > > My bet is something was terribly wrong at the installation. > > > > Phil > > > > > i had a 97 HZJ with FF rear with only 12,000 miles on it and the rear > > > bearings went. weird feeling when the rear axle is sticking out a foot > and > > a > > > half past the sheet metal when driving down the road... > > > maintence highly recommended. > > > Wayne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Philippe Trottier > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier > and > > > > > > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using > > the > > > > > > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > > > > > > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly > US$150....I > > > > > > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > > > > > > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > > > > > > > > > Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding > SF, > > it > > > > > does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems > > with > > > > the > > > > > FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting > > one. > > > > > > > > > > The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at > > > > transmitting > > > > > torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. > I > > > > > sheared off the six studs in June. > > > > > > > > > > The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be > packed > > > > > regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These > > never > > > > need > > > > > maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you > blow > > a > > > > > bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the > > > > > spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. > > > > > > > > > > So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the > > maintenance > > > > and > > > > > repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a > > third > > > > > world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - > just > > > the > > > > > ones that need it. > > > > > > > > > > Peter Straub > > > > > > > > Errr, Humm well maybe ... Here everyone has FF, no one ever regreased > > the > > > > hub... front > > > > and rear for that mather and people here sell their cruisers when they > > > have > > > > around 500Mm > > > > > > > > So far so good for maintenance... and it is not even written in the > user > > > > manual... > > > > > > > > Did you put the 2 guide pin or just the 6 bolts ?, the 2 guide pin > take > > > the > > > > torque, the bolts > > > > transfer the torque by the flange face not the bolt themself > > > > > > > > A different point of view, > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QGpIj20689 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:51:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QGio803879; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:44:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta-1.gci.net (mta-1.gci.net [208.138.130.82]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QGid814093 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:44:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GFJQI701.Z9V for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:44:31 -0800 Received: from pavilion ([24.237.61.122]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GFJQI703.90S; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:44:31 -0800 Message-ID: <002501c0fe67$a89caa60$7a3ded18@anchorageak.net> From: m37@gci.net To: Cc: "Peter Straub" References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:44:32 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2471 Status: I had a FF When I lived in Bristol Bay in SW Alaska on a 77 FJ45 (that I put a Perkins diesel into). Mark now has it, the rear frame is rusted out, I'm using the drivetrain in a Dodge Carryall.. Anyways, I messed up the metal threaded piece that seals the spindle tube from its' exterior. As a result, the wheel bearings on the left were lubricated by gear oil, whereas the ones on the right were lubricated by the grease. We may look inside this axle this winter, but I had no problems with it. There could be an issue of the inner bearing being somewhat starved for oil because it would only get the oil spinning off the outer bearing, but I suspect any time the vehicle is on any incline (of course the left is the high side on crowned roads with LHD) it gets lots. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the > > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding SF, it > does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems with the > FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting one. > > The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at transmitting > torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I > sheared off the six studs in June. > > The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed > regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These never need > maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow a > bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the > spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. > > So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the maintenance and > repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a third > world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just the > ones that need it. > > Peter Straub > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5QNmPj04494 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:48:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5QNkO800011; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5QNkI819649 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pstraubspc ([24.68.237.13]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010626234612.CKPA6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@pstraubspc> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:46:12 -0700 Message-ID: <012a01c0fe9a$68c47ca0$3e00a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> From: pstraub@home.com To: References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> <006a01c0fe54$2b601900$a62274d4@nitchiwam> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:47:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1178 Status: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Trottier" > Did you put the 2 guide pin or just the 6 bolts ?, the 2 guide pin take the > torque, the bolts > transfer the torque by the flange face not the bolt themself I had one guide pin. Those things are really strong. When I spun off the axle flange, it sheared off the one guide pin that was in the hub. I went through 8 drill bits, two punches and a diamond studded dremmel bit, a lot of heat and some nuts that were welded to the pin before I gave up myself and took it to the real mechanic. They went through another two drill bits, two stud removers, and a tap. It's out, and now the axle flange has two pin guides. Those things are really strong. But, there is something else to know. With a locker in the rear, the nuts on the flange tend to loosen off. I came home from a weekend of wheeling and all 6 nuts on were hanging on by a few threads each. I assume that the same had happened moments before I sheared off the 6 nuts and one guide pin. Wayne recommended to me that I tighten the bolts every week, as his backed off every week in his Yellow Monster FJ45 bush hog. Peter Straub -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5R0Poj05185 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 02:25:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5R0Ni826947; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:23:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.114.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5R0Ne805075 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:23:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from liquid.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp ([133.30.82.21]) by ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/) with ESMTP id JAA09123 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:12:28 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010627092244.01a27e38@133.30.114.1> X-Sender: stedman@133.30.114.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:23:22 +0900 To: dtlc@helios.net From: stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility In-Reply-To: <012a01c0fe9a$68c47ca0$3e00a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> References: <200106242219.f5OMJb421517@mail.a1.nl> <000a01c0fe4a$3b86d120$2800a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> <006a01c0fe54$2b601900$a62274d4@nitchiwam> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.bronco.com id f5R0Nf818899 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 678 Status: At 17:47 6/26/2001 -0600, you wrote: >But, there is something else to know. With a locker in the rear, the nuts >on the flange tend to loosen off. I came home from a weekend of wheeling >and all 6 nuts on were hanging on by a few threads each. I assume that the >same had happened moments before I sheared off the 6 nuts and one guide pin. >Wayne recommended to me that I tighten the bolts every week, as his backed >off every week in his Yellow Monster FJ45 bush hog. Exactly which nuts are these, having not had my FF apart yet I am in dire need of this tidbit. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5R5Ybj10977 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:34:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5R5Ud825733; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5R5UP809413 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.245.13.167.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net [209.245.13.167]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25175 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201c0feca$4c7bbb00$a70df5d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Zepp" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:30:35 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1080 Status: >The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at transmitting >torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I >sheared off the six studs in June. hmmm, just replaced 2 sheared studs and a sheared dowel pin last night. This was after shearing all 6 studs and both dowel pins several months ago. I'm getting WAY too good at drilling and retapping broken studs :-( >The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed >regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These never need >maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow a >bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the >spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. Sounds eirily familiar... >So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the maintenance and >repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a third >world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just the >ones that need it. > >Peter Straub Jeff Zepp TLCA #4063 -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5R5n6j11370 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:49:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5R5jY809125; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:45:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5R5jR831577 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:45:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.245.13.167.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net [209.245.13.167]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA15059 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004701c0fecc$6b2f0140$a70df5d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Zepp" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:45:46 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2421 Status: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Philippe Trottier" >> Did you put the 2 guide pin or just the 6 bolts ?, the 2 guide pin take >the >> torque, the bolts >> transfer the torque by the flange face not the bolt themself > >I had one guide pin. Those things are really strong. > >When I spun off the axle flange, it sheared off the one guide pin that was >in the hub. I went through 8 drill bits, two punches and a diamond studded >dremmel bit, a lot of heat and some nuts that were welded to the pin before >I gave up myself and took it to the real mechanic. They went through >another two drill bits, two stud removers, and a tap. It's out, and now the >axle flange has two pin guides. > >Those things are really strong. Now having extracted 3 of them I can say that PARTS of them are strong, but not all. I have discovered that they are case hardened, that is the outside surfaces are hardened, about a depth of perhaps 1mm. Inside they aren't much harder than a standard grade 8 fastener. When they have been sheared, the "soft" middle is exposed and can be drilled. I have a drill bit (Ti coated) permanently embedded in the one I extracted last night. Once it got stuck, it was easy to pull the dowel pin out. >But, there is something else to know. With a locker in the rear, the nuts >on the flange tend to loosen off. I came home from a weekend of wheeling >and all 6 nuts on were hanging on by a few threads each. I assume that the >same had happened moments before I sheared off the 6 nuts and one guide pin. >Wayne recommended to me that I tighten the bolts every week, as his backed >off every week in his Yellow Monster FJ45 bush hog. Yup, BTDT, in fact I have gotten in the habit of checking every few days. Occasionally need retorquing and occasionally one or the other dowel pins will have backed out a few mm and will require a well aimed whack with a ball pien hammer before I head down the road. When I redid the rear this time around, I took extra care to thoroughly clean the inside stud threads in the hub with solvent (they were soaked in 90wt mixed with cutting oil), blow out with compressed air, then apply blue locktite to the threads of the studs, then seat the studs well with doubled up nuts. We'll see how long they hold up, drove to and from work today then rechecked torque when I got home, all seems well so far. >Peter Straub Jeff Zepp TLCA #4063 -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5R6BFj12142 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:11:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5R66n822657; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:06:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5R5oC815955 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.245.13.167.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net [209.245.13.167]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA00110 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005401c0fecd$154a1020$a70df5d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Zepp" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:50:31 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 587 Status: > >Exactly which nuts are these, having not had my FF apart yet I am in dire >need of this tidbit. > > >Dave Stedman >Kakogawa Japan >N 34° 45' 45.2" >E 134° 52'22.3" >stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp >stedman@canada.com Dave, these are the nuts that hold the flange of the axle to the hub. 12mm hex, 8mm x 1.25mm threads. They thread onto the 6 studs which are fastened into the edge of the hub, parallel to the axle. Under the nuts go split lock washers and then cone washers, just like a front hub. With a locker in the rear, they do tend to loosen up on their own. Jeff Zepp TLCA #4063 -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RLQIY04302 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:26:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RLO2829945; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RLNs807225 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:23:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA46836 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:23:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-137.a1.nl (dialup-66-137.a1.nl [213.171.66.137]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5RLOXY04212 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:24:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106272124.f5RLOXY04212@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:51:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 3011 Status: On 25 Jun 01 at 13:38, pstraub@home.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > (and it would be a bit counterproductive to beef up the carrier and > > half shafts (at least it says so in that article), while not using the > > most beefy overall design....remember from one of my postings many > > moons ago: the difference between SF and FF is a measly US$150....I > > have an official pricelist somewhere proving this....dazzling > > criminal from Toyota to cheap out on this!) > > Just because the FF can carry a heavier load than a corresponding SF, it > does not mean that everyone wants a FF. There are several problems with the > FF that everyone should contemplate before running out and getting one. > > The bolts that hold the axle flange to the hub is far weaker at transmitting > torque than any part of the SF design. I installed a FF in April. I > sheared off the six studs in June. > > The FF has 4 taper roller bearings in grease. These need to be packed > regularly. The SF has 2 roller bearings in the gear lube. These never need > maintenance. This is a significant maintenance cost, and if you blow a > bearing because you failed to do this maintenance, and you wreck the > spindle, then you need a whole new axle housing. $$$$. > > So, even though the SF is only $150 cheaper from Toyota, the maintenance and > repair costs over the life of the vehicle can be significant for a third > world farmer. This is why not every Cruiser comes with FF rear - just the > ones that need it. Tell that to the Australian market, which had mandatory rear-FF's after 1973....while that on itself might have been done for safety reasons (wheel doesn't come passing by if the half shaft breaks....8-)), I have never heard of maintenance problems, not here, not on the TLCA Mailinglist, and not on the 80-Series Mailinglist (the latter with much more Aussies than on this list). All factory LSD's and lockers (cable or electric) came with a full floater....and if only the C-clip had been a problem, then Toyota could have used the Hilux/8" SF-concept (holding wheel+halfshaft on the wheel end). And definately not list it as a sole US$150 option (no direct relation with lockers). Also, the samples I have heard were 45's....I wonder if 60's are exactly the same in this respect? And of course, if maintenance would really be so critical, then shouldn't the same apply to front hubs? Btw, anyone in Europe interested in another 60-FF? As the devil wants it, while working out shipping details for my first FF, and calling around for reference prices, I found another one. OTOH, if these FF's are really weak as snot, I ought to keep one spare on the shelf....:)) But thousands of crazy Aussies tell me that it can't be weak....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RKxmY03452 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:59:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RKpO810242; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta-2.gci.net (mta-2.gci.net [208.138.130.83]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RKpF815349 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:51:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GFLWL900.0LI for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:51:09 -0800 Received: from PH1 ([24.237.119.157]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GFLWL803.82X for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:51:08 -0800 From: PH1@pobox.com To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:58:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <005401c0fecd$154a1020$a70df5d1@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1352 Status: Hi All! I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening with a locker symptom that some of you have had. Is this with a full time locker or a part time (i.e. ARB)? I know that Wayne had a full time on his FJ45 (welded spiders). Could it be that this problem only prevalent with the full time lockers? Philippe has said it's not a problem out his way but that may be because they normally don't run lockers. Its got me curious now... Paul Anchorage, AK > -----Original Message----- > From: dtlc-owner@helios.net [mailto:dtlc-owner@helios.net]On Behalf Of > Jeff Zepp > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:51 PM > To: dtlc@helios.net > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > > >Exactly which nuts are these, having not had my FF apart yet I am in dire > >need of this tidbit. > > > > > >Dave Stedman > >Kakogawa Japan > >N 34° 45' 45.2" > >E 134° 52'22.3" > >stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > >stedman@canada.com > > > Dave, these are the nuts that hold the flange of the axle to the hub. 12mm > hex, 8mm x 1.25mm threads. They thread onto the 6 studs which are fastened > into the edge of the hub, parallel to the axle. Under the nuts go > split lock > washers and then cone washers, just like a front hub. With a locker in the > rear, they do tend to loosen up on their own. > > Jeff Zepp > TLCA #4063 > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RLQkY04322 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:26:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RLO2816087; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RLNu806160 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:23:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA94839 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:23:54 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-137.a1.nl (dialup-66-137.a1.nl [213.171.66.137]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5RLOaY04217 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:24:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106272124.f5RLOaY04217@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:06:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 1196 Status: On 24 Jun 01 at 21:01, cubillan@earthlink.net wrote: > michel_bertin@hotmail.com wrote: > > > When you say OEM cable locker for landcruiser would you have a part > > number for that. I've been asking Toyota for about a year if that was > > available. > > Be prepared for SERIOUS sticker shock, not to mention the additional > parts you have to source to make it work. Best to do a Toyota electric > locker, probably cheaper in the long run.... > > H. I was quoted US$1000, for a brand new locker, either cable or electric. Given the fact that just the overhaul of a used diff runs easily up to US$250-500 (parts+labor, especially calibrating ring+pinion), you get the locker thrown for US$500....amazingly cheap.... Electric lockers require some anti-moisture prevention btw, otherwise the unit will freeze up solid one day, see: http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80locker.txt Also worth reading is the motor-reassembly tip: http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80_lockm.txt -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RLM7Y04103 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:22:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RLCo819139; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:12:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.iti.com (IDENT:root@td.iti.ca [204.191.218.3]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RLCl807157 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from graduates.iti.com (studentmail.iti.com [204.191.218.30]) by smtp.iti.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17867 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:49:37 -0300 Received: from clynch [64.64.223.37] by graduates.iti.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB993470110; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:09:45 -0300 From: "Chris Lynch" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] lockers and loose bolts Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:12:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c0ff4d$d5d40320$25df4040@iti.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 950 Status: I had a similar problem with my semi float rear and a lock-right locker. Obviously I don't have axle bolts - but my Pinion nut comes loose once in a while. I have heard others mention the same problem with full time lockers. Chris -----Original Message----- From: dtlc-owner@helios.net [mailto:dtlc-owner@helios.net] On Behalf Of PH1@pobox.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:58 PM To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Hi All! I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening with a locker symptom that some of you have had. Is this with a full time locker or a part time (i.e. ARB)? I know that Wayne had a full time on his FJ45 (welded spiders). Could it be that this problem only prevalent with the full time lockers? Philippe has said it's not a problem out his way but that may be because they normally don't run lockers. Its got me curious now... Paul Anchorage, AK -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RLQJY04303 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:26:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RLO9813607; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RLO0832204 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA59708 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:23:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-137.a1.nl (dialup-66-137.a1.nl [213.171.66.137]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5RLOfY04220 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:24:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106272124.f5RLOfY04220@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:15:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 956 Status: On 26 Jun 01 at 18:24, Philippe Trottier wrote: > Errr, Humm well maybe ... Here everyone has FF, no one ever regreased the > hub... front > and rear for that mather and people here sell their cruisers when they have > around 500Mm > > So far so good for maintenance... and it is not even written in the user > manual... Neither is injector-maintenance....;)) And, to add insult to injury, Toyota Europe (in particulary Germany) is *very* good in dismissing complaints about seized 1HD-T's by telling customers that they should have had their injectors serviced....while a seized 1HD-T ('90-95) is typically caused by the big end bearings, a fact that they will never admit either....utterly sick bastards. Sorry for the rant, had to....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RLDoY03848 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:13:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RLBI803871; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RLB7808661 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from earthlink.net ([24.168.218.108]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:11:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3B3A4CD5.7010105@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:15:01 -0400 From: cubillan@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1916 Status: Paul, it must be a full-locker symptom, Jeff Bryant has had an ARB in his FJ60 FF for years and he reports he's never had a problem with it. Some loosening over time, but nothing like Wayne/Jeff and Peter report. CHeers! Henry C. PH1@pobox.com wrote: > Hi All! > > I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening with a > locker symptom that some of you have had. Is this with a full time locker > or a part time (i.e. ARB)? I know that Wayne had a full time on his FJ45 > (welded spiders). Could it be that this problem only prevalent with the > full time lockers? Philippe has said it's not a problem out his way but > that may be because they normally don't run lockers. Its got me curious > now... > > Paul > Anchorage, AK > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dtlc-owner@helios.net [mailto:dtlc-owner@helios.net]On Behalf Of >> Jeff Zepp >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:51 PM >> To: dtlc@helios.net >> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility >> >> >>> Exactly which nuts are these, having not had my FF apart yet I am in dire >>> need of this tidbit. >>> >>> >>> Dave Stedman >>> Kakogawa Japan >>> N 34° 45' 45.2" >>> E 134° 52'22.3" >>> stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp >>> stedman@canada.com >> >> >> Dave, these are the nuts that hold the flange of the axle to the hub. 12mm >> hex, 8mm x 1.25mm threads. They thread onto the 6 studs which are fastened >> into the edge of the hub, parallel to the axle. Under the nuts go >> split lock >> washers and then cone washers, just like a front hub. With a locker in the >> rear, they do tend to loosen up on their own. >> >> Jeff Zepp >> TLCA #4063 >> >> >> -- Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RLloY05143 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:47:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RLif813491; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:44:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RLiX809539 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:44:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from pstraubspc ([24.68.237.13]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010627214427.MEFK6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@pstraubspc> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:44:27 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c0ff52$915f0aa0$bc00a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> From: pstraub@home.com To: References: <200106272124.f5RLOaY04217@mail.a1.nl> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:46:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1368 Status: ----- Original Message ----- From: > I was quoted US$1000, for a brand new locker, either cable or > electric. > Given the fact that just the overhaul of a used diff runs easily up > to US$250-500 (parts+labor, especially calibrating ring+pinion), you > get the locker thrown for US$500....amazingly cheap.... Yeah, but does that include the new housing and axle need, or just the locker mechanism. I think Henry was referring to the all-up cost of converting from a open SF rear to a factory locked-up FF. > And of course, if maintenance would really be so critical, then > shouldn't the same apply to front hubs? My ratio of maintenance to front hubs:rear SF axles is not calculable. I have never done maintenance to a SF rear axle. Seems that I am surprisingly good at front end rebuilds, however. ----- Original Message ----- From: > Paul, it must be a full-locker symptom, Jeff Bryant has had an ARB in > his FJ60 FF for years and he reports he's never had a problem with it. > Some loosening over time, but nothing like Wayne/Jeff and Peter report. It probably is. I do have the ARB, so I am not locked all the time, when off road, I have the rear locker on quite a bit, especially through the tough stuff, which is where the most torque is going to get applied to the axle flange nuts. Peter Straub -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RM6WY05757 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:06:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RM44815708; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from tctisp2.tctwest.net (tctisp2.tctwest.net [216.166.159.6]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RM3t830572 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:03:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.166.160.95] (tt1a2m95.tritel.net [216.166.160.95]) by tctisp2.tctwest.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5RM6QX27127 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:06:26 -0600 (MDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:04:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility From: conestoga@tritel.net To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401c0ff52$915f0aa0$bc00a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 758 Status: on 6/27/01 3:46 PM, pstraub@home.com at pstraub@home.com wrote: > Yeah, but does that include the new housing and axle need, or just the > locker mechanism. I think Henry was referring to the all-up cost of > converting from a open SF rear to a factory locked-up FF. I have converted both a US issues 1980 40 housing and a Disk HZJ/PZJ 7X rear axle housing to accept an electric locker easily (grinding a 1/2 moon at 9:00 on the pumpkin hole to clear the clutch). True, you must get the shafts (but the front is made by CV unlimited cheaper than OEM). There is some issue with a front 80 series conversion to locker from non locker, but I am 100% positive an electric locker will fit all existing stud holes in a 40 front end or a 70 rear end. Rick -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RNGMY07754 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:16:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RNE5811287; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RNE1822845 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wayne ([24.67.76.181]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010627231355.OZMK6449.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@wayne> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:13:55 -0700 Message-ID: <00c001c0ff5d$e0aab860$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> From: crushersrule@home.com To: References: <3B3A4CD5.7010105@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:07:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 3124 Status: the FF doesn't mind the limited slip but when equiped with a full lock (ARB, welded or lock rite etc.) the torque has a tendency to find the weakest link which in this case is the 6 small bolts and the hardened pins. i had to spot weld the shaft into the housing on the 45 to prevent the shaft from working loose. it worked great but i had to file the welds to do any work. mind you me and maintence on a bush hog / mountain goat is few and far between. another note is that the tire size does have a bearing also. if you are running 35" x 12.5 (Jeff and my 45) or 38 " (Peter) you are going to creat a lot more problems than a 29" that comes factory on cruisers. also in finland (correct me if i am wrong) most of the full time is on snow and ice, no?? and in africa it would be sand as in australia, right. so the tires would have a better cahnce of finding forgiveness verses the trails we run. something to ponder. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > Paul, it must be a full-locker symptom, Jeff Bryant has had an ARB in > his FJ60 FF for years and he reports he's never had a problem with it. > Some loosening over time, but nothing like Wayne/Jeff and Peter report. > > CHeers! > > Henry C. > > PH1@pobox.com wrote: > > > Hi All! > > > > I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening with a > > locker symptom that some of you have had. Is this with a full time locker > > or a part time (i.e. ARB)? I know that Wayne had a full time on his FJ45 > > (welded spiders). Could it be that this problem only prevalent with the > > full time lockers? Philippe has said it's not a problem out his way but > > that may be because they normally don't run lockers. Its got me curious > > now... > > > > Paul > > Anchorage, AK > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dtlc-owner@helios.net [mailto:dtlc-owner@helios.net]On Behalf Of > >> Jeff Zepp > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:51 PM > >> To: dtlc@helios.net > >> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > >> > >> > >>> Exactly which nuts are these, having not had my FF apart yet I am in dire > >>> need of this tidbit. > >>> > >>> > >>> Dave Stedman > >>> Kakogawa Japan > >>> N 34° 45' 45.2" > >>> E 134° 52'22.3" > >>> stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > >>> stedman@canada.com > >> > >> > >> Dave, these are the nuts that hold the flange of the axle to the hub. 12mm > >> hex, 8mm x 1.25mm threads. They thread onto the 6 studs which are fastened > >> into the edge of the hub, parallel to the axle. Under the nuts go > >> split lock > >> washers and then cone washers, just like a front hub. With a locker in the > >> rear, they do tend to loosen up on their own. > >> > >> Jeff Zepp > >> TLCA #4063 > >> > >> > >> > > -- > Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 > 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA > 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 > http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RNErY07723 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:14:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RN4R810734; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:04:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RN4L831563 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:04:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from earthlink.net ([24.168.218.108]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:04:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3B3A675D.4090001@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:08:13 -0400 From: cubillan@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1371 Status: I was referring very specifically to the cost of converting a US or CAN spec *J60 from SF to a FF with a CABLE locker. You see, the cable locker implies a lot of small parts, many of which have been discontinued by Toyota. Check the microfiche, you'll see what I'm talking about. Henry C. conestoga@tritel.net wrote: > on 6/27/01 3:46 PM, pstraub@home.com at pstraub@home.com wrote: > > > >> Yeah, but does that include the new housing and axle need, or just the >> locker mechanism. I think Henry was referring to the all-up cost of >> converting from a open SF rear to a factory locked-up FF. > > > I have converted both a US issues 1980 40 housing and a Disk HZJ/PZJ 7X rear > axle housing to accept an electric locker easily (grinding a 1/2 moon at > 9:00 on the pumpkin hole to clear the clutch). True, you must get the > shafts (but the front is made by CV unlimited cheaper than OEM). > > There is some issue with a front 80 series conversion to locker from non > locker, but I am 100% positive an electric locker will fit all existing stud > holes in a 40 front end or a 70 rear end. > > Rick > > > -- Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5RNSGY08031 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:28:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5RNOU822322; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:24:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.114.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5RNOI806991 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from liquid.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp ([133.30.82.21]) by ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/) with ESMTP id IAA13171 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:13:05 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> X-Sender: stedman@133.30.114.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:23:58 +0900 To: dtlc@helios.net From: stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility In-Reply-To: <3B3A675D.4090001@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.bronco.com id f5RNOJ818902 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 659 Status: At 19:08 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I was referring very specifically to the cost of converting a US or CAN >spec *J60 from SF to a FF with a CABLE locker. You see, the cable locker >implies a lot of small parts, many of which have been discontinued by >Toyota. Check the microfiche, you'll see what I'm talking about. Which ones? Like the entire set is available here. I am pretty sure about this because Jim shipped some over a few months ago. These were in use up to 1989 in the 70 series and I can't see Toyota dropping parts so fast. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S02UY08887 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:02:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S00J818823; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:00:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S009819258 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from earthlink.net ([24.168.218.108]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:04:06 -0400 From: cubillan@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1670 Status: *Some* of the 60 SERIES SPECIFIC parts related to the cable locker are discontinued. Included are some of the body parts (if you check the microfiche, the body of a 60 series equipped with cable lockers has some differences with those not equipped with them), some of the cable routing parts, some of the parts related to the levers. I DIDN'T say that you can't run a cable locker on a 60 series, but: 1. You can't buy ALL the brand new parts you'll need from Toyota, assuming you want the whole setup 2. You'll have to search for used parts, and some of them are part of the body (i.e. hard to get). OR 3. You'll have to jury rig some replacement setup Henry C. stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > At 19:08 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >> I was referring very specifically to the cost of converting a US or >> CAN spec *J60 from SF to a FF with a CABLE locker. You see, the cable >> locker implies a lot of small parts, many of which have been >> discontinued by Toyota. Check the microfiche, you'll see what I'm >> talking about. > > > > Which ones? Like the entire set is available here. I am pretty sure > about this because Jim shipped some over a few months ago. These were > in use up to 1989 in the 70 series and I can't see Toyota dropping > parts so fast. > > > > Dave Stedman > Kakogawa Japan > N 34° 45' 45.2" > E 134° 52'22.3" > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > stedman@canada.com > > > -- Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S09hY09046 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:09:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S07n823290; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from tctisp2.tctwest.net (tctisp2.tctwest.net [216.166.159.6]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S07d822016 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:07:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.166.165.88] (tct88.tctwest.net [216.166.165.88]) by tctisp2.tctwest.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5S0AaX14412 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:10:36 -0600 (MDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:08:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility From: conestoga@tritel.net To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B3A675D.4090001@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 337 Status: To All- For those wanting a rear 60 FF, I have one in So Cal, minus backing plates and diff. If you want to do the cable/electric conversion ad skip on the passengers side axle I can do better still. FYI, any 60 series brakes will work with this housing. Best offer accepted. shipping from 92583, about 115 pounds UPSable. Rick -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S0BiY09090 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:11:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S09p811308; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:09:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.114.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S09m830275 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:09:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from liquid.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp ([133.30.82.21]) by ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/) with ESMTP id IAA13312 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:58:35 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> X-Sender: stedman@133.30.114.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:09:28 +0900 To: dtlc@helios.net From: stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility In-Reply-To: <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.bronco.com id f5S09n802423 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 687 Status: At 20:04 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: >*Some* of the 60 SERIES SPECIFIC parts related to the cable locker are >discontinued. Included are some of the body parts (if you check the >microfiche, the body of a 60 series equipped with cable lockers has some >differences with those not equipped with them), some of the cable routing >parts, some of the parts related to the levers. > >3. You'll have to jury rig some replacement setup OK, I get it now. So get on-board air and run a small spring return air cylinder between the two bell cranks on the housing. Easy as fishing. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S0QJY09480 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:26:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S0Nx829008; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (bru@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au [138.25.32.20]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S0Np820486 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from bru@localhost) by pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/pulse) id KAA11981 for dtlc@helios.net; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:23:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:23:32 +1000 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Message-ID: <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1>; from stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp on Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 09:09:28AM +0900 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 953 Status: in which case you might as well ring uncle ARB and purchase one of his finely crafted air-locking differentials? Brian Sydney Australia '89 LJ70 On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 09:09:28AM +0900, stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > At 20:04 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >*Some* of the 60 SERIES SPECIFIC parts related to the cable locker are > >discontinued. Included are some of the body parts (if you check the > >microfiche, the body of a 60 series equipped with cable lockers has some > >differences with those not equipped with them), some of the cable routing > >parts, some of the parts related to the levers. > > > >3. You'll have to jury rig some replacement setup > > OK, I get it now. So get on-board air and run a small spring return air > cylinder between the two bell cranks on the housing. Easy as fishing. > > > > Dave Stedman > Kakogawa Japan > N 34° 45' 45.2" > E 134° 52'22.3" > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S0wpY10337 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:58:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S0nn831193; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:49:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S0nh827131 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:49:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.76.225.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net [209.244.76.225]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19104 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006501c0ff6c$47feb6c0$e14cf4d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Zepp" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] Loose FF studs/nuts Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:50:07 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 532 Status: >Hi All! > >I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening with a >locker symptom that some of you have had. Is this with a full time locker >or a part time (i.e. ARB)? Lockrite. > I know that Wayne had a full time on his FJ45 >(welded spiders). Could it be that this problem only prevalent with the >full time lockers? Philippe has said it's not a problem out his way but >that may be because they normally don't run lockers. Its got me curious >now... > >Paul >Anchorage, AK Jeff Zepp TLCA #4063 -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S0tGY10262 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:55:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S0rF812060; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:53:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S0qr827222 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:52:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.76.225.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net [209.244.76.225]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06421 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007401c0ff6c$b95e74e0$e14cf4d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Zepp" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] axle maintenance Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:53:17 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 982 Status: >> And of course, if maintenance would really be so critical, then >> shouldn't the same apply to front hubs? > >My ratio of maintenance to front hubs:rear SF axles is not calculable. I >have never done maintenance to a SF rear axle. Seems that I am >surprisingly good at front end rebuilds, however. Peter, agreed. I have over 272,000 miles on the SFs in my 76 FJ40, never had to do anything. Jeff Zepp TLCA #4063 >----- Original Message ----- >From: > >> Paul, it must be a full-locker symptom, Jeff Bryant has had an ARB in >> his FJ60 FF for years and he reports he's never had a problem with it. >> Some loosening over time, but nothing like Wayne/Jeff and Peter report. > >It probably is. I do have the ARB, so I am not locked all the time, when >off road, I have the rear locker on quite a bit, especially through the >tough stuff, which is where the most torque is going to get applied to the >axle flange nuts. > >Peter Straub > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S10ZY10378 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:00:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S0wh810443; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S0we831418 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:58:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.76.225.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net [209.244.76.225]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05403 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007f01c0ff6d$8824b8c0$e14cf4d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jeff Zepp" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] FF weak link Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:59:04 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1502 Status: -----Original Message----- From: crushersrule@home.com To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility >the FF doesn't mind the limited slip but when equiped with a full lock (ARB, >welded or lock rite etc.) the torque has a tendency to find the weakest link >which in this case is the 6 small bolts and the hardened pins. i had to spot >weld the shaft into the housing on the 45 to prevent the shaft from working >loose. it worked great but i had to file the welds to do any work. mind you >me and maintence on a bush hog / mountain goat is few and far between. >another note is that the tire size does have a bearing also. if you are >running 35" x 12.5 (Jeff and my 45) or 38 " (Peter) you are going to creat a >lot more problems than a 29" that comes factory on cruisers. also in finland >(correct me if i am wrong) most of the full time is on snow and ice, no?? >and in africa it would be sand as in australia, right. so the tires would >have a better cahnce of finding forgiveness verses the trails we run. >something to ponder. >Wayne Excellent point Wayne, between 35s, a VERY heavy truck and rockcrawling in Moab, there is a tremendous amount of stress on those dowel pins and studs. Not at all the same as stock size tires and mud, sand, ice and snow. Still, it is a far more robust design than heeps and exploders. Have you laughed at a heep lately? :-)) Jeff Zepp TLCA #4063 -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S1dnY11402 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:39:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S1bm800499; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:37:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (bru@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au [138.25.32.20]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S1bX812997 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:37:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from bru@localhost) by pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/pulse) id LAA14697 for dtlc@helios.net; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:37:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:37:30 +1000 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] Loose FF studs/nuts Message-ID: <20010628113730.I7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <20010628011414.CKON28444.mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <20010628011414.CKON28444.mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au@localhost>; from comptona@ozemail.com.au on Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 01:14:47AM +0000 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1534 Status: I've rebuilt a lot of front hubs, I only have nightmares about the couple of hundred billion bolts that it takes. the only thing I've ever seen to 'loosen' in the front is the wheel bearings, and very very occasioanlly the knuckle bearings. if you have any play between the wheel and the axle 99/100 it is a little wheel bearing play. I've never seen the 8 bolts holding the stub axle on loosen or shear, even running the 33's and all that caster-destroying lift and being very hard on them. these bolts are NOT subjected to any torque-shear. the only loads they (or the locating pins) see is the weight loads of the vehicle and reaction loads to acceleration, braking, climbing etc. my (hilux, ball-bearing, c-clip-less type) semi floater rear requires new bearings about every 15,000km. had I the $, a FF would be in there quick smart. Plutonium tipped drill bits? nuclear powered tools? yeehaa! Brian On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 01:14:47AM +0000, comptona@ozemail.com.au wrote: > >I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening with > a > >locker symptom that some of you have had. > > Enjoyed it ?@!?!? I am terrified with this thread!!. I rebuilt the front hubs on my HJ60 a couple of months back & I lie awake at night trying to recall just how well I did tighten those bolts up. The thought of shearing them scares me. I don't carry enough Plutonium tipped drill bits with me when I am "out of the office". > > Compton > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S1fbY11445 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:41:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S1dc811512; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:39:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S1dZ830472 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:39:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from earthlink.net ([24.168.218.108]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:39:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3B3A8BC3.50002@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:43:31 -0400 From: cubillan@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1313 Status: Or go with the electric locker. H. Brian Monger wrote: > in which case you might as well ring uncle ARB and purchase one of his > finely crafted air-locking differentials? > > > Brian > Sydney Australia > '89 LJ70 > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 09:09:28AM +0900, stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > >> At 20:04 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> *Some* of the 60 SERIES SPECIFIC parts related to the cable locker are >>> discontinued. Included are some of the body parts (if you check the >>> microfiche, the body of a 60 series equipped with cable lockers has some >>> differences with those not equipped with them), some of the cable routing >>> parts, some of the parts related to the levers. >>> >>> 3. You'll have to jury rig some replacement setup >> >> OK, I get it now. So get on-board air and run a small spring return air >> cylinder between the two bell cranks on the housing. Easy as fishing. >> >> >> >> Dave Stedman >> Kakogawa Japan >> N 34° 45' 45.2" >> E 134° 52'22.3" >> stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp >> stedman@canada.com > -- Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S1pkY11705 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:51:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S1nw821028; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:49:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from zcamail05.zca.compaq.com (zcamail05.zca.compaq.com [161.114.32.105]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S1ns807360 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:49:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by zcamail05.zca.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 5297210CF; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from taynzmail03.nz-tay.cpqcorp.net (taynzmail03.nz-tay.cpqcorp.net [16.47.4.103]) by zcamail05.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331E813DD for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taynzmail03.nz-tay.cpqcorp.net (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 239394EB; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wokka.ali.dec.com (wokka.ali.dec.com [16.171.96.6]) by taynzmail03.nz-tay.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6CE66B for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ali61 by wokka.ali.dec.com (8.8.8/1.1.8.2/01Jan96-1122AM) id LAA0000020274; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:19:01 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <007601c0ff74$9cad0d90$3d60ab10@ali.dec.com> From: "Ian B" To: References: <200106272124.f5RLOXY04212@mail.a1.nl> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:19:46 +0930 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 586 Status: From: : Tell that to the Australian market, which had mandatory rear-FF's after : 1973....while that on itself might have been done for safety reasons : Willem-Jan Markerink Willem, FF's are not mandatory in Oz. If they were, Nissan Patrols (Safari) have been illegal for the last 28 years. BTW, Nissan use a 3/4 floating design. They are not known for any weakness, although they do tend a leak oil past the axle seals a bit....maybe based on an old LR design? :-) . Ian B 93 GXL HZJ80T Alice Springs, Australia http://www.geocities.com/hzj80 -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S1lrY11618 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:47:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S1jc809202; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:45:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta-1.gci.net (mta-1.gci.net [208.138.130.82]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S1jZ820790 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:45:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GFMA7T02.4YK for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:45:29 -0800 Received: from PH1 ([24.237.119.157]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GFMA7T02.F4F for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:45:29 -0800 From: PH1@pobox.com To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] Loose FF studs/nuts Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:52:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <20010628011414.CKON28444.mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au@localhost> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1128 Status: > Enjoyed it ?@!?!? I am terrified with this thread!!. I rebuilt > the front hubs on my HJ60 a couple of months back & I lie awake > at night trying to recall just how well I did tighten those bolts > up. The thought of shearing them scares me. I don't carry enough > Plutonium tipped drill bits with me when I am "out of the office". > > Compton Why are you worrying about this thread then? Admittedly, the thread became misnamed as it evolved to a rear axle vice front axle discussion as the subject was entitled originally. Hopefully all following this aren't worrying about their front axles as it is a completely different design and all TLC front axles are FF anyways. I believe you've more chance of snapping your birfield than anything else. Hopefully now you can get some sleep and stop worrying. :-) My enjoyment comes from finding out about a problem well before I might encounter it in the field. In this case, you always want to check the torque of your hub bolts on your FF before going out. If you are running 35" or bigger and/or do a lot of rock climbing, check more frequently. Paul Anchorage, AK -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S2nCY12784 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 04:49:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S2lU824612; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.114.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S2lL822279 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:47:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from liquid.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp ([133.30.82.21]) by ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/) with ESMTP id LAA14050 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:36:07 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> X-Sender: stedman@133.30.114.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:47:00 +0900 To: dtlc@helios.net From: stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility In-Reply-To: <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.bronco.com id f5S2lM813138 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 635 Status: At 10:23 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: >in which case you might as well ring uncle ARB and purchase one of his >finely crafted air-locking differentials? Baloney. ARB uses an internal pneumatic powered mechanism and I am given to understand that this feature is prone to failure. With an external air cylinder working the Toyota bellcrank it is simple to go under the truck and hay wire it in place if required. Even simpler is go to the nearest Agricultural store and get them to make you a nice beefy push pull cable. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S3BRY13237 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:11:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S32V812911; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:02:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S32J801729 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from earthlink.net ([24.168.218.108]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:02:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3B3A9F27.4030503@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:06:15 -0400 From: cubillan@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1617 Status: I like your idea, Dave, but what about exposure of the cylinder? I'd be worried about knocking it off, there's already been a lot of buzz among the hard core mini-truck crowd of people ripping off or damaging the electric locker actuator/solenoid. I guess the same holds true for the ARB's air hose, which was vulnerable enough to push ARB to offer a heavy-duty replacement. FWIW, the OEM cable locker is notoriously unpopular among some hard-core Venezuelans because it seems to have a tendency to clog with mud. Dunno if this is true or not, I've never had the cable locker and only seen a handful in real life. Later... Henry C. stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > At 10:23 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >> in which case you might as well ring uncle ARB and purchase one of his >> finely crafted air-locking differentials? > > > > Baloney. > > ARB uses an internal pneumatic powered mechanism and I am given to > understand that this feature is prone to failure. With an external > air cylinder working the Toyota bellcrank it is simple to go under the > truck and hay wire it in place if required. Even simpler is go to the > nearest Agricultural store and get them to make you a nice beefy push > pull cable. > > > > Dave Stedman > Kakogawa Japan > N 34° 45' 45.2" > E 134° 52'22.3" > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > stedman@canada.com > > > -- Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S3a5Y13741 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:36:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S3W8816450; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.114.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S3W1831353 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from liquid.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp ([133.30.82.21]) by ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/) with ESMTP id MAA14285 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:20:50 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628122614.01a34e38@133.30.114.1> X-Sender: stedman@133.30.114.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:31:41 +0900 To: dtlc@helios.net From: stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility In-Reply-To: <3B3A9F27.4030503@earthlink.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.bronco.com id f5S3W2831261 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1486 Status: At 23:06 6/27/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I like your idea, Dave, but what about exposure of the cylinder? I'd be >worried about knocking it off, there's already been a lot of buzz among >the hard core mini-truck crowd of people ripping off or damaging the >electric locker actuator/solenoid. I guess the same holds true for the >ARB's air hose, which was vulnerable enough to push ARB to offer a >heavy-duty replacement. > >FWIW, the OEM cable locker is notoriously unpopular among some hard-core >Venezuelans because it seems to have a tendency to clog with mud. Dunno if >this is true or not, I've never had the cable locker and only seen a >handful in real life. The electric motor sits on the side of the diff, it is rather exposed. The cable unit uses two bellcranks, one on the end of the shaft where it comes out of the housing (same as the electric) and one on the top rib running up to the pinion nut location. Between the two bellcranks is where to mount the piston. It is above the centre section of the diff so unless you are throwing bowling balls at it no problem. Also note that a surplus short stroke air cylinder sells for about $5 or so on Ebay (I bought 4 for $10 last time I bid on any) and it becomes a situation like fuses. Blow one and replace it. They have simple yoke ends available and two pins and one pipe nipple and your done. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S2i4Y12653 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 04:44:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S2ft832558; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:41:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta-2.gci.net (mta-2.gci.net [208.138.130.83]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S2fg820748 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:41:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GFMCTD00.U0M for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:41:37 -0800 Received: from pavilion ([24.237.61.122]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GFMCTC01.14P for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:41:36 -0800 Message-ID: <004101c0ff84$3b464200$7a3ded18@anchorageak.net> From: m37@gci.net To: References: <007401c0ff6c$b95e74e0$e14cf4d1@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [DTLC] axle maintenance Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:41:35 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1339 Status: I do have to report that with rear autolockers hub nuts and even wheel lug nuts loosen on one side. The left I think. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Zepp To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [DTLC] axle maintenance > > >> And of course, if maintenance would really be so critical, then > >> shouldn't the same apply to front hubs? > > > >My ratio of maintenance to front hubs:rear SF axles is not calculable. I > >have never done maintenance to a SF rear axle. Seems that I am > >surprisingly good at front end rebuilds, however. > > > Peter, agreed. I have over 272,000 miles on the SFs in my 76 FJ40, never had > to do anything. > > Jeff Zepp > TLCA #4063 > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > > > >> Paul, it must be a full-locker symptom, Jeff Bryant has had an ARB in > >> his FJ60 FF for years and he reports he's never had a problem with it. > >> Some loosening over time, but nothing like Wayne/Jeff and Peter report. > > > >It probably is. I do have the ARB, so I am not locked all the time, when > >off road, I have the rear locker on quite a bit, especially through the > >tough stuff, which is where the most torque is going to get applied to the > >axle flange nuts. > > > >Peter Straub > > > > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S3wRY14296 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:58:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S3u3826841; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (bru@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au [138.25.32.20]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S3tr827948 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:55:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from bru@localhost) by pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/pulse) id NAA19623 for dtlc@helios.net; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:55:49 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:55:49 +1000 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Message-ID: <20010628135549.P7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1>; from stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp on Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 11:47:00AM +0900 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2999 Status: define 'prone to failure'? I know of vehicles fitted with arb lockers with 100,000km plus on them without any failures. the only 'failures' I have suffered are from the trashy ARB compressor being full of mud or rusty waterlogged electrical problems. The o-rings which seal the air line to the diff carrier are probably hte most failure prone parts of an ARB locker, but when installed correctly there is no reason they should fail before the carrier bearings wear out. I agree wholeheartedly that if you can get your hands on a cable locker and any other associated _required_ paraphernalia, then the locking/unlocking mechanism is externally simple. there is bound to be a lot of 'hidden' cost in fabricating cables or pneumatic actuators or what-have-you. had I a pneumatic cylinder hanging off the back of my rear axle, I'd be scared to death of tearing it off on something. I'm paranoid enough about the handbrake cables. If you shell out the admittedly high price for an ARB locker, it comes with absolutely everything you need to install it. the only 'specialist' tool required is a 1/4 inch NPT tap, the rest just requires patience and common sense. to get an actuator or even a cable mounted up to the axle you're going to need to fabricate brackets, weld to the axle, test everything under full suspension travel and articulation, to make sure there's no fouling. then, if by some misfortune, you bend your axle housing, you've go to do it all again. with the ARB (or any number of auto lockers) if you trash your axle housing, just pull the 3rd member, and swap it over. if the toyota cable lockers were available here in any numbers (ie at a reasonable cost) maybe it would be worth it, but with wreckers wanting between $500 and $1000 for an 8" limited slip job, I'm betting that the cost of a factory cable locker is going to be exorbitant at very best - that was the thrust of my 'call ARB' comment - that getting a cable locker in there is going to end up more complicated and almost definitely more expensive. The benefit of having an external lever to lock the diff with just wouldn't be worth the extra cost involved. so there! ;) Brian PS it's spelled 'bologna'. you've watched too much Sesame Street! On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 11:47:00AM +0900, stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > At 10:23 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >in which case you might as well ring uncle ARB and purchase one of his > >finely crafted air-locking differentials? > > > Baloney. > > ARB uses an internal pneumatic powered mechanism and I am given to > understand that this feature is prone to failure. With an external air > cylinder working the Toyota bellcrank it is simple to go under the truck > and hay wire it in place if required. Even simpler is go to the nearest > Agricultural store and get them to make you a nice beefy push pull cable. > > > > Dave Stedman > Kakogawa Japan > N 34° 45' 45.2" > E 134° 52'22.3" > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S4AtY14561 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:10:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S47v826166; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S47o823724 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.7.194.69]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010628040744.WEKN26449.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:07:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3B3AAF72.734485A0@home.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:15:46 -0700 From: David Tay Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: [DTLC] Cable locker - Was: 60 series front axle compatibility References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628122614.01a34e38@133.30.114.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1738 Status: Dave and Henry, The cable locker's lever fulcrum extends just slightly under the axle shaft, at least if installed on a 40 axle housing. It is enough so that I felt, at least in my applications, a mini skidplate is justified. See: http://members5.clubphoto.com/david338994/Cable_Locker_Cable/photo12.jpg?8042 I agree though, the mechanism is very simple, and for reliability, the bellcrank can be eliminated by a custom cable mounting. I have 2 different mechanisms for my lockers, one factory and one custom (thanks to Jim S. lost package :( ) Once I figure out how to use my digi cam I can show the list both mechanisms. In Downey Off Road's cable conversion (of the electric locker), the mechanism is tucked higher. If Downey were to include a detent in their pull handle or even offer a lever mechanism, that would be real sweet. Back to lurking, Dave Tay stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > The electric motor sits on the side of the diff, it is rather exposed. The > cable unit uses two bellcranks, one on the end of the shaft where it comes > out of the housing (same as the electric) and one on the top rib running up > to the pinion nut location. Between the two bellcranks is where to mount > the piston. It is above the centre section of the diff so unless you are > throwing bowling balls at it no problem. Also note that a surplus short > stroke air cylinder sells for about $5 or so on Ebay (I bought 4 for $10 > last time I bid on any) and it becomes a situation like fuses. Blow one > and replace it. They have simple yoke ends available and two pins and one > pipe nipple and your done. > > Dave Stedman > Kakogawa Japan > N 34° 45' 45.2" > E 134° 52'22.3" > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S4IKY14713 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:18:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S4FZ815377; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:15:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (bru@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au [138.25.32.20]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S4FK814490 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:15:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from bru@localhost) by pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/pulse) id OAA20326 for dtlc@helios.net; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:15:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:15:17 +1000 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Message-ID: <20010628141517.R7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <3B3A9F27.4030503@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <3B3A9F27.4030503@earthlink.net>; from cubillan@earthlink.net on Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 11:06:15PM -0400 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2903 Status: I'll stick my 2c worth in about the ARB air hose. the ways it gets damaged can usually be traced to poor installation. not allowing enough slack in it for suspension articulation, or mounting it where it can rub, be pinched, crushed, melted on the exhaust, or otherwise breached. even the boring comes-with-the-set air hose is pretty strong, and, like anything cheap, it's easy to carry a couple of spares. I have even had an idea (which I have not yet implemented) of fitting a short stub of arb locker air line with a tire valve, such that in the event of a line or compressor or electrical failure, fit the valved 'stub' line, then the locker can be actuated with a 12v tire compressor, or a foot pump, or even a bicycle pump, which wouldn't take a lot of toolbox space at all. sure it's inconvenient to have to get under the truck on the trail, but that's no different if you have a cable or electric locker actuator failure to diddle with. (deep down, I'm really an autolocker fan, the arb's are so Sandy can drive the truck without it doing anything at all unpredictable. honest.) Brian On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 11:06:15PM -0400, cubillan@earthlink.net wrote: > I like your idea, Dave, but what about exposure of the cylinder? I'd be > worried about knocking it off, there's already been a lot of buzz among > the hard core mini-truck crowd of people ripping off or damaging the > electric locker actuator/solenoid. I guess the same holds true for the > ARB's air hose, which was vulnerable enough to push ARB to offer a > heavy-duty replacement. > > FWIW, the OEM cable locker is notoriously unpopular among some hard-core > Venezuelans because it seems to have a tendency to clog with mud. Dunno > if this is true or not, I've never had the cable locker and only seen a > handful in real life. > > Later... > > Henry C. > > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > > > At 10:23 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > >> in which case you might as well ring uncle ARB and purchase one of his > >> finely crafted air-locking differentials? > > > > > > > > Baloney. > > > > ARB uses an internal pneumatic powered mechanism and I am given to > > understand that this feature is prone to failure. With an external > > air cylinder working the Toyota bellcrank it is simple to go under the > > truck and hay wire it in place if required. Even simpler is go to the > > nearest Agricultural store and get them to make you a nice beefy push > > pull cable. > > > > > > > > Dave Stedman > > Kakogawa Japan > > N 34° 45' 45.2" > > E 134° 52'22.3" > > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > > stedman@canada.com > > > > > > > > -- > Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 > 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA > 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 > http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S4UKY15030 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:30:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S4SQ813295; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.48]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S4Mc825470 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:22:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from pstraubspc ([24.68.237.13]) by mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010628042232.QBAD15989.mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com@pstraubspc> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:22:32 -0700 Message-ID: <003701c0ff8a$2e13e780$bc00a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> From: pstraub@home.com To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <20010628135549.P7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:24:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 834 Status: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Monger" > I know of vehicles fitted with arb lockers with 100,000km plus on them without > any failures. I should be careful about this post, since I run two ARB's, but here goes.... A good friend exploded his rear ARB while accelerating his 92 HP speed demon from a stop light. The locker was in the 'open' position. The thing completely disintegrated. When pulling it out, all he did was remove the back cover. He didn't need to remove any other bolts, like bearing caps or ring bolts - the whole locker came out in shards. It was about 1 year old. Then again, he then went on to grenade a Detroit in his 70. Then he blew up a set of welded spiders. Then he grenaded a pinion in an open diff. All this in about 2 years. Hmmmmm........ Peter Straub -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S51oY15679 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:01:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S4qe810050; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:52:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (bru@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au [138.25.32.20]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S4qX821337 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:52:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from bru@localhost) by pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/pulse) id OAA21626 for dtlc@helios.net; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:52:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:52:30 +1000 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Message-ID: <20010628145230.S7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <20010628135549.P7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <003701c0ff8a$2e13e780$bc00a8c0@cg.shawcable.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <003701c0ff8a$2e13e780$bc00a8c0@cg.shawcable.net>; from pstraub@home.com on Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:24:10PM -0600 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1359 Status: Peter makes a very valid point - and I didn't say I *hadn't* seen any grenaded ARB's. driving style and technique are important. in my first little datsun, I blew up three of hitachi's finest 160mm diffs in 2 years. an expensive way to learn that clutch dumping is a no-no. back to fixing the handbrake, err, I mean work... B be that as it may, I'm surprised it was the guy's ARB that went, and not his R&P. On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:24:10PM -0600, pstraub@home.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Monger" > > I know of vehicles fitted with arb lockers with 100,000km plus on them > without > > any failures. > > I should be careful about this post, since I run two ARB's, but here > goes.... > > A good friend exploded his rear ARB while accelerating his 92 HP speed demon > from a stop light. The locker was in the 'open' position. The thing > completely disintegrated. When pulling it out, all he did was remove the > back cover. He didn't need to remove any other bolts, like bearing caps or > ring bolts - the whole locker came out in shards. It was about 1 year old. > > Then again, he then went on to grenade a Detroit in his 70. Then he blew up > a set of welded spiders. Then he grenaded a pinion in an open diff. All > this in about 2 years. Hmmmmm........ > > Peter Straub -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S5tLY17088 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:55:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S5pa822183; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.114.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S5oe818139 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from liquid.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp ([133.30.82.21]) by ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/) with ESMTP id OAA14845 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:39:28 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628144952.01a19ed0@133.30.114.1> X-Sender: stedman@133.30.114.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:50:19 +0900 To: dtlc@helios.net From: stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility In-Reply-To: <20010628135549.P7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.bronco.com id f5S5og827806 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 209 Status: At 13:55 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: >define 'prone to failure'? I heard it happened to a guy once. Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S6GwY17839 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:16:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S6Da826397; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:13:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (bru@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au [138.25.32.20]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S6DL812423 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from bru@localhost) by pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/pulse) id QAA24525 for dtlc@helios.net; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:13:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:13:07 +1000 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Message-ID: <20010628161307.U7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <20010628135549.P7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628144952.01a19ed0@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628144952.01a19ed0@133.30.114.1>; from stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp on Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 02:50:19PM +0900 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 652 Status: oh yeah?? welll. this bloke I know, he knew this bloke who went to this place where they had this bloke who heard about it from this guy who used to live near there, only a little bit down the hill, and the farmer from the next road over the back, he told the butcher when he was in town for the sheaf throwing contest. so it must be true. On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 02:50:19PM +0900, stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > At 13:55 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >define 'prone to failure'? > > I heard it happened to a guy once. > > > > Dave Stedman > Kakogawa Japan > N 34° 45' 45.2" > E 134° 52'22.3" > stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5SMP6509927 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:25:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5SMMR803298; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.114.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S8aC819327 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from liquid.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp ([133.30.82.21]) by ans.ans.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/) with ESMTP id RAA15655 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:25:00 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628173534.01a603b8@133.30.114.1> X-Sender: stedman@133.30.114.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:35:51 +0900 To: dtlc@helios.net From: stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility In-Reply-To: <20010628161307.U7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010628144952.01a19ed0@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628082236.01a19fe8@133.30.114.1> <3B3A7476.4090100@earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628090811.01a36720@133.30.114.1> <20010628102332.D7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628114437.01a4c560@133.30.114.1> <20010628135549.P7274@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20010628144952.01a19ed0@133.30.114.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.bronco.com id f5S8aD821717 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 374 Status: At 16:13 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: >so it must be true. > > >On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 02:50:19PM +0900, stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp wrote: > > At 13:55 6/28/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >define 'prone to failure'? > > > > I heard it happened to a guy once. Exactly :-) Dave Stedman Kakogawa Japan N 34° 45' 45.2" E 134° 52'22.3" stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp stedman@canada.com -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5S8tlk28066 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:55:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5S8hH820714; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:43:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from harppi.kpo.fi (harppi.kpo.fi [212.116.32.130]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5S8fl803719 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:41:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from nitchiwam (line106.dyn.tutka.net [212.116.34.106]) by harppi.kpo.fi (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA23680 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:41:44 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <00d801c0ffaf$b3518e00$142274d4@nitchiwam> From: "Philippe Trottier" To: References: <3B3A4CD5.7010105@earthlink.net> <00c001c0ff5d$e0aab860$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:52:39 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2839 Status: I have here everything from rubicon rock crawling to Ice age swamps... Here the habit is to lock only when needed, not for the whole trail... Phil > lot more problems than a 29" that comes factory on cruisers. also in finland > (correct me if i am wrong) most of the full time is on snow and ice, no?? > and in africa it would be sand as in australia, right. so the tires would > have a better cahnce of finding forgiveness verses the trails we run. > something to ponder. > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > Paul, it must be a full-locker symptom, Jeff Bryant has had an ARB in > > his FJ60 FF for years and he reports he's never had a problem with it. > > Some loosening over time, but nothing like Wayne/Jeff and Peter report. > > > > CHeers! > > > > Henry C. > > > > PH1@pobox.com wrote: > > > > > Hi All! > > > > > > I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening > with a > > > locker symptom that some of you have had. Is this with a full time > locker > > > or a part time (i.e. ARB)? I know that Wayne had a full time on his > FJ45 > > > (welded spiders). Could it be that this problem only prevalent with the > > > full time lockers? Philippe has said it's not a problem out his way > but > > > that may be because they normally don't run lockers. Its got me curious > > > now... > > > > > > Paul > > > Anchorage, AK > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: dtlc-owner@helios.net [mailto:dtlc-owner@helios.net]On Behalf Of > > >> Jeff Zepp > > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:51 PM > > >> To: dtlc@helios.net > > >> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > >> > > >> > > >>> Exactly which nuts are these, having not had my FF apart yet I am in > dire > > >>> need of this tidbit. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Dave Stedman > > >>> Kakogawa Japan > > >>> N 34° 45' 45.2" > > >>> E 134° 52'22.3" > > >>> stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > > >>> stedman@canada.com > > >> > > >> > > >> Dave, these are the nuts that hold the flange of the axle to the hub. > 12mm > > >> hex, 8mm x 1.25mm threads. They thread onto the 6 studs which are > fastened > > >> into the edge of the hub, parallel to the axle. Under the nuts go > > >> split lock > > >> washers and then cone washers, just like a front hub. With a locker in > the > > >> rear, they do tend to loosen up on their own. > > >> > > >> Jeff Zepp > > >> TLCA #4063 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > -- > > Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 > > 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA > > 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 > > http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html > > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5SJSF504878 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:28:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5SJMN806397; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5SJMB822623 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA77033 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:22:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-35.a1.nl (dialup-66-35.a1.nl [213.171.66.35]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5SJMq504680 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:22:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106281922.f5SJMq504680@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: pstraub@home.com Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:27:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 1282 Status: On 27 Jun 01 at 15:46, pstraub@home.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > I was quoted US$1000, for a brand new locker, either cable or > > electric. > > Given the fact that just the overhaul of a used diff runs easily up > > to US$250-500 (parts+labor, especially calibrating ring+pinion), you > > get the locker thrown for US$500....amazingly cheap.... > > Yeah, but does that include the new housing and axle need, or just the > locker mechanism. Entire 3rd member, but no axle housing. > I think Henry was referring to the all-up cost of > converting from a open SF rear to a factory locked-up FF. I guess Henry also included the OEM parts to hook up the cable mechanism, ie knobs on the tranny hump, brackets etc....on a pro-kilogram basis, those will be much more expensive....8-))....better to use generic agricultural components I guess.... Too bad shipping cost frustrate things....otherwise I could search for a few more FF's, and ship'em across the pond. What are typical prices in the USA/CA for 40/60/70-series FF? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5SJPp504799 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:25:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5SJMN824218; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5SJMA801373 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27655 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:22:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-35.a1.nl (dialup-66-35.a1.nl [213.171.66.35]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5SJMo504674 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:22:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106281922.f5SJMo504674@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:37:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 1104 Status: On 27 Jun 01 at 20:04, cubillan@earthlink.net wrote: > *Some* of the 60 SERIES SPECIFIC parts related to the cable locker are > discontinued. Included are some of the body parts (if you check the > microfiche, the body of a 60 series equipped with cable lockers has some > differences with those not equipped with them), some of the cable > routing parts, some of the parts related to the levers. > > I DIDN'T say that you can't run a cable locker on a 60 series, but: > > 1. You can't buy ALL the brand new parts you'll need from Toyota, > assuming you want the whole setup > 2. You'll have to search for used parts, and some of them are part of > the body (i.e. hard to get). OR > 3. You'll have to jury rig some replacement setup 4. Somewhere on this planet, there lays a brand new kit on the shelf either at a dealer, or a customer....;)) The only minor problem is finding it....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5SJPp504800 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:25:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5SJMN826712; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5SJM4806340 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA53154 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-35.a1.nl (dialup-66-35.a1.nl [213.171.66.35]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5SJMi504664 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:22:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106281922.f5SJMi504664@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:17:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 1428 Status: On 27 Jun 01 at 23:06, cubillan@earthlink.net wrote: > I like your idea, Dave, but what about exposure of the cylinder? I'd be > worried about knocking it off, there's already been a lot of buzz among > the hard core mini-truck crowd of people ripping off or damaging the > electric locker actuator/solenoid. I guess the same holds true for the > ARB's air hose, which was vulnerable enough to push ARB to offer a > heavy-duty replacement. > > FWIW, the OEM cable locker is notoriously unpopular among some hard-core > Venezuelans because it seems to have a tendency to clog with mud. Dunno > if this is true or not, I've never had the cable locker and only seen a > handful in real life. Dang, perhaps I still need that UK-made locker, manual in the best sense of the word: a sliding mechanism on top of the axle housing (long side), which allows both pneumatic and electric actuation, *and* a manual override by default. Price for complete setup was also around US$1000....*but*: minimum quantity is 25....8-)) Can even be combined with a friction plate LSD....:)) (same tempting concept & price with a Quaife (Torsen improvement)....I even tried to match both manufacturers, and get a lockable Quaife....8-)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5T0lA512725 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5T0bh826079; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:37:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (bru@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au [138.25.32.20]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5T0bY811802 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:37:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from bru@localhost) by pulse.itd.uts.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/pulse) id KAA04794 for dtlc@helios.net; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:37:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:37:31 +1000 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Message-ID: <20010629103731.D3617@pulse.itd.uts.edu.au> References: <3B3A4CD5.7010105@earthlink.net> <00c001c0ff5d$e0aab860$b54c4318@cg.shawcable.net> <00d801c0ffaf$b3518e00$142274d4@nitchiwam> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <00d801c0ffaf$b3518e00$142274d4@nitchiwam>; from Philippe Trottier on Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 11:52:39AM +0300 Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 3654 Status: Wayne, you're not really giving us the credit we deserve for trail diversity. I can show you a 3KM trail less that 40km out of the city with grippy rocks, soft sand, mud, deep water crossings, broken stones, it's all there. I've been 4WDing for 20 years man and boy and have still yet to see the desert proper! I'm with Phil on the locking thing - I won't wait until I've lost traction to engage a locker, but if an obstacle looks like it might result in a loss of traction, lockers are in. as soon as the obstacle is passed, lockers out. Brian On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 11:52:39AM +0300, Philippe Trottier wrote: > I have here everything from rubicon rock crawling to Ice age swamps... > > Here the habit is to lock only when needed, not for the whole trail... > > Phil > > > lot more problems than a 29" that comes factory on cruisers. also in > finland > > (correct me if i am wrong) most of the full time is on snow and ice, no?? > > and in africa it would be sand as in australia, right. so the tires would > > have a better cahnce of finding forgiveness verses the trails we run. > > something to ponder. > > Wayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > > > > > Paul, it must be a full-locker symptom, Jeff Bryant has had an ARB in > > > his FJ60 FF for years and he reports he's never had a problem with it. > > > Some loosening over time, but nothing like Wayne/Jeff and Peter report. > > > > > > CHeers! > > > > > > Henry C. > > > > > > PH1@pobox.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All! > > > > > > > > I've enjoyed following this thread. I am curious about the loosening > > with a > > > > locker symptom that some of you have had. Is this with a full time > > locker > > > > or a part time (i.e. ARB)? I know that Wayne had a full time on his > > FJ45 > > > > (welded spiders). Could it be that this problem only prevalent with > the > > > > full time lockers? Philippe has said it's not a problem out his way > > but > > > > that may be because they normally don't run lockers. Its got me > curious > > > > now... > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > Anchorage, AK > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: dtlc-owner@helios.net [mailto:dtlc-owner@helios.net]On Behalf > Of > > > >> Jeff Zepp > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:51 PM > > > >> To: dtlc@helios.net > > > >> Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Exactly which nuts are these, having not had my FF apart yet I am in > > dire > > > >>> need of this tidbit. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Dave Stedman > > > >>> Kakogawa Japan > > > >>> N 34° 45' 45.2" > > > >>> E 134° 52'22.3" > > > >>> stedman@ans.kobe-u.ac.jp > > > >>> stedman@canada.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dave, these are the nuts that hold the flange of the axle to the hub. > > 12mm > > > >> hex, 8mm x 1.25mm threads. They thread onto the 6 studs which are > > fastened > > > >> into the edge of the hub, parallel to the axle. Under the nuts go > > > >> split lock > > > >> washers and then cone washers, just like a front hub. With a locker > in > > the > > > >> rear, they do tend to loosen up on their own. > > > >> > > > >> Jeff Zepp > > > >> TLCA #4063 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > Henrique Cubillan TLCA#4080 > > > 1991 FJ62LG-MN Herndon, VA USA > > > 1967 M416 1/4T cubillan@earthlink.net > > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=31079 > > > http://www.mindspring.com/~hulse/henrystories.html > > > > > > -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5T9uW502244 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:56:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5T9r7827897; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:53:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from lh10.opsion.fr (lh10.opsion.fr [212.73.208.236]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5T9r1810422 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 02:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from 193.249.100.241 [193.249.100.241] by lh10.opsion.fr; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:53:48 GMT Message-ID: <3B3C500B.F8052F0F@ifrance.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:53:15 +0200 From: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: <200106272124.f5RLOXY04212@mail.a1.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 644 Status: > Btw, anyone in Europe interested in another 60-FF? > As the devil wants it, while working out shipping details for my > first FF, and calling around for reference prices, I found another > one. Depends on the price, but I might very well be. btw, how about a disk brake conversion ? (I'm tired of de-mudding the 4 drums then adjusting the 8 brake cylinders of my 40...) bye, Denis ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5TL54Z04760 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:05:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5TL4I815991 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5TL4D816315 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA23365 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:04:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-30.a1.nl (dialup-66-30.a1.nl [213.171.66.30]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5TL4rZ04752 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:04:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106292104.f5TL4rZ04752@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:59:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 1733 Status: On 29 Jun 01 at 11:53, denisd@ifrance.com wrote: > > Btw, anyone in Europe interested in another 60-FF? > > As the devil wants it, while working out shipping details for my > > first FF, and calling around for reference prices, I found another > > one. > > Depends on the price, but I might very well be. The prices I have found range between US$250 and US$750. > btw, how about a disk brake conversion ? (I'm tired of de-mudding the 4 > drums then adjusting the 8 brake cylinders of my 40...) My shop wasn't enthusiast about that....lot of work. For an 80-series it's a bit different....since rear drums are quite rare in Europe[*], it's not very likely that I'll find a FF with drums....so I might have to consider a disk-modification....but I would rather not mess with brake components....Murphy has a damn long memory, 10 years from now I'll regret it one day....;)) Btw, my shop also mentioned that some folks preferred rear drums, as they did a better job than rear disks....I guess Toyota had a good reason to move to larger disks and 16" in 1992....;)) [*] apparently only '90-91, only in Holland, Germany never had drums (except for grey import/Standard-trim). However, the combination of rear drum and locker (=FF) *did* exist, according to the parts catalog.... Anyone able to provide similar 80/rear-drum status-checks for other continents or European countries?....it's hard to believe Holland is the only country in Europe that got them....but the best & nearest market, Germany, is out, sadly. -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5TM03Z06255 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:00:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5TLv0827188; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lh11.opsion.fr (lh11.opsion.fr [212.73.208.237]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5TLuq830802 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:56:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from 193.249.100.110 [193.249.100.110] by lh11.opsion.fr; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:50:39 GMT Message-ID: <3B3CF9B7.64B11279@ifrance.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:57:11 +0200 From: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: <200106292104.f5TL4rZ04752@mail.a1.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 2441 Status: Hi WJ ! > The prices I have found range between US$250 and US$750. How much does that maake in Euro please ?-) $250 seems very interesting, since going price for axles here in France is betwen $650 and $1000 for a 80 (dont't remember if it was with locker or not, but since all 80s had lockers here...) If you have such a *cheap* source, I am VERY interested. Do they have front axles, too ? > My shop wasn't enthusiast about that....lot of work. > For an 80-series it's a bit different....since rear drums are quite > rare in Europe[*], it's not very likely that I'll find a FF with > drums....so I might have to consider a disk-modification... Do you mean the 60 and 80 axles are the same ? (apart from spring perches vs suspension arms mounts, panhard rod and antisway bar mount of course) especially in terms of track width ? Do I understand you are looking for a drum FF axle, either from a 60 or 80 ? > Btw, my shop also mentioned that some folks preferred rear drums, as > they did a better job than rear disks....I guess Toyota had a good > reason to move to larger disks and 16" in 1992....;)) This is not really my concern : I am thinking of swapping SW (wide) axles to BJ40 for : - having (2 or preferably)4 disks instead of 4 drums because of filling drums with water or mud, efficiency in mud, cleaning mud, adjusting after cleaning mud... - increase track width to reduce rollover danger (beacause I will get new non-sagged springs and might put bigger tires) - have a factory locker - the braking power is not really a problem, since the BJ40 does not drive very fast, and anyway 4 discs will always brake better than 4 drums I think (cf adjusting issue). moreover, if these things can fairly work with a 2200kg wagon, I guess it could manage with the 1700kg (?) of my 40. (I bet you all understood it was on offroad project) . > Anyone able to provide similar 80/rear-drum status-checks for other > continents or European countries?.... I can't tell for sure but I don't remember of anything about drumed 80s. In fact, I discovered it existed when scanning the chassis & body manual (from Belgium- in French- http://landcruiser.free.fr/tech) Bye, Denis ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5UBhQZ22440 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:43:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5UBZd822186; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 04:35:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay.a1.nl (relay.a1.nl [213.171.64.11]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5UBZP824232 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 04:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.a1.nl (mail.a1.nl [213.171.64.3]) by relay.a1.nl (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00485 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:35:23 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dialup-66-145.a1.nl (dialup-66-145.a1.nl [213.171.66.145]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5UBa6Z21986 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:36:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200106301136.f5UBa6Z21986@mail.a1.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl To: dtlc@helios.net Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:11:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Content-Length: 2834 Status: On 29 Jun 01 at 23:57, denisd@ifrance.com wrote: > Hi WJ ! > > > The prices I have found range between US$250 and US$750. > > How much does that maake in Euro please ?-) With, or without inflation by the time you can actually pay with them in cash?....;)) > $250 seems very interesting, since going price for axles here in France > is betwen $650 and $1000 for a 80 (dont't remember if it was with locker > or not, but since all 80s had lockers here...) > > If you have such a *cheap* source, I am VERY interested. Do they have > front axles, too ? Probably yes....but that only gets heavier, and more expensive to ship....8-)) No good sources for them in France? I only went looking abroad because rear FF's were quite rare in Holland....for other components I can find most stuff in Dutch shops. > > My shop wasn't enthusiast about that....lot of work. > > For an 80-series it's a bit different....since rear drums are quite > > rare in Europe[*], it's not very likely that I'll find a FF with > > drums....so I might have to consider a disk-modification... > > Do you mean the 60 and 80 axles are the same ? (apart from spring > perches vs suspension arms mounts, panhard rod and antisway bar mount of > course) especially in terms of track width ? No, this means I have two Cruisers to fit with lockers....8-)) > Do I understand you are looking for a drum FF axle, either from a 60 or > 80 ? Both, not either....:)) > > Btw, my shop also mentioned that some folks preferred rear drums, as > > they did a better job than rear disks....I guess Toyota had a good > > reason to move to larger disks and 16" in 1992....;)) > > This is not really my concern : > I am thinking of swapping SW (wide) axles to BJ40 for : > - having (2 or preferably)4 disks instead of 4 drums because of filling > drums with water or mud, efficiency in mud, cleaning mud, adjusting > after cleaning mud... > - increase track width to reduce rollover danger (beacause I will get > new non-sagged springs and might put bigger tires) New factory springs? Keep in mind that increasing trackwidth also means tires not fitting ideally centered in the wheel wells.... > - have a factory locker > - the braking power is not really a problem, since the BJ40 does not > drive very fast, and anyway 4 discs will always brake better than 4 > drums I think (cf adjusting issue). Well, disks at least brake just as good backwards than forwards....a big plus when descending a hill backwards....:)) (in which case one probably has 4wd engaged/locked, so the front brakes will assist the rear brakes anyway, through the locked drivetrain. -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5UDUjZ24960 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:30:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5UDR7811988; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 06:27:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from lh11.opsion.fr (lh11.opsion.fr [212.73.208.237]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5UDR2812885 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 06:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from 193.249.99.114 [193.249.99.114] by lh11.opsion.fr; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:20:45 GMT Message-ID: <3B3DD3BA.C52AA272@ifrance.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:27:22 +0200 From: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] 60 series front axle compatibility References: <200106301136.f5UBa6Z21986@mail.a1.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1467 Status: WJ, > With, or without inflation by the time you can actually pay with them > in cash?....;)) Don't tell me about the Euro vs USD currency :'( You'll understand why a little later... > Axles : > No good sources for them in France? If you mean no cheap source, they are becoming quite rare, because it seems like more and more people intend to make a lot of money with auto parts, especially 4x4 and rare parts :-( > > This is not really my concern : > > I am thinking of swapping SW (wide) axles to BJ40 for : > > - having (2 or preferably)4 disks instead of 4 drums because of filling > > drums with water or mud, efficiency in mud, cleaning mud, adjusting > > after cleaning mud... > > - increase track width to reduce rollover danger (beacause I will get > > new non-sagged springs and might put bigger tires) > > New factory springs? Nope. Soft lift-springs from the US. $50 each sounds nice, doesn't it ? Would be even better if I could pay them in euro... > Keep in mind that increasing trackwidth also means tires not fitting > ideally centered in the wheel wells.... sure. but 3 or 4 cm on each side is not that much. btw, it's not yet a problem, since I don't have the axles... bye, Denis ______________________________________________________________________________ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif -- End -- Received: from mail.bronco.com (IDENT:root@[205.159.90.2]) by mail.a1.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f63K2Ou05630 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:02:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from helios.net (IDENT:daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f63K0H523009; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11107.mail.yahoo.com (web11107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.154]) by mail.bronco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f63K0A525577 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:00:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20010703200009.41853.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.11.221.120] by web11107.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:00:09 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mike_ayukawa@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [DTLC] Rubber To: dtlc@helios.net In-Reply-To: <2F66BF4BE0F1D211B6490060943F33EC065908AF@exch-server.vcr.finning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Sender: dtlc-owner@helios.net Reply-To: dtlc@helios.net Content-Length: 1666 Status: Walter, I've got 31x10.5 on stock rims (on a FJ62). Same rims as on my HJ60. They should fit. You might find a slight performance hit. I noticed on the FJ62 (shares the same A440F and 4.11 diffs on your HJ60 Auto). Mike --- worb@finning.ca wrote: > Hey all, > YAY - I finally got a good rip in my cruiser on a > long logging road over the > weekend!! > I had putted around a bit before but nothing too > exciting. I did about > 500km of logging road, mostly graded, the odd rough > spot here and there. > What amazes me is the stability of the Cruiser > versus my previous vehicle, a > '98 Toy Taco. The Tacoma would HAVE to be in 4x4 as > soon as you hit the > gravel, if not you'd be all over the place!! The > washboards would be an > absolute mess. > The Cruiser, on the other hand, flies along > sure-footed, not doing anything > except for the stiff choppy ride. I tell ya, a > pleasure to drive, except > for those looooong hills, dump her down into second > and give 'er. > The Cruiser did so well, even with the "little" > tires on it right now. They > are Toyo, I believe 235x80 R15. My question is, > since I have a spare set of > 31x10.5 left over from the Taco, would these fit > into my stock HJ60 (without > any modifications)? > I believe I have the stock rims, would the 31x10.5 > fit on the rims too? > I think maybe a bit more rubber under me would help > a little more. The > tires on there right now are worn street tires. > > Thanks, > Walter > Kamloops, BC > '87 HJ60 auto, 180km __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- End --