Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: CustomLab@aol.com Subject: Renting a Camera To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Cc: stephen.delroy@gsa.gov Reply-To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Stephen Delroy in New York is interested in renting a Roundshot 28/220 for his trip to Brazil in March. Please answer directly to him at stephen.delroy@gsa.gov. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:36:42 +0100 From: Willem-Jan Markerink Subject: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s (was: Renting a Camera To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Cc: europanorama@gmx.net Reply-To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl On 11 Feb 2004 at 9:18, CustomLab@aol.com wrote: > Stephen Delroy in New York is interested in renting a Roundshot 28/220 for > his trip to Brazil in March. Please answer directly to him at > stephen.delroy@gsa.gov. Btw, according to Seitz insiders, there were also a handful of older generation Roundshot 28/35's, with 28mm lens. Anyone on this list know where these went, or who might own one today? Not sure if these units were ever shown at a photo trade show like the PhotoKina....or even when they saw the dawn of light (or whether this was an ordering option beyond a single batch at all). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:53:54 +0100 From: Willem-Jan Markerink Subject: Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s (was: Renting a Camera To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Reply-To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl On 11 Feb 2004 at 20:36, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > On 11 Feb 2004 at 9:18, CustomLab@aol.com wrote: > > > Stephen Delroy in New York is interested in renting a Roundshot > > 28/220 for his trip to Brazil in March. Please answer directly to > > him at stephen.delroy@gsa.gov. > > Btw, according to Seitz insiders, there were also a handful of older > generation Roundshot 28/35's, with 28mm lens. Anyone on this list > know where these went, or who might own one today? > > Not sure if these units were ever shown at a photo trade show like > the PhotoKina....or even when they saw the dawn of light (or whether > this was an ordering option beyond a single batch at all). I must correct myself, partly or entirely: apparently there was (also) a 21/35, with Leitz 21mm lens, including shift (remember, the Seitz Roundshots also took 30mm non-perforated film, and with 43.26mm image circle it could still shift). Saw a 21mm for sale myself once, the 28mm only from hearsay (same source confirmed 21mm). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:01:46 +1300 From: Clayton Tume Subject: Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s To: Panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Reply-To: Clayton Tume > > > > Btw, according to Seitz insiders, there were also a handful of older > > generation Roundshot 28/35's, with 28mm lens. Anyone on this list > > know where these went, or who might own one today? > > > > Not sure if these units were ever shown at a photo trade show like > > the PhotoKina....or even when they saw the dawn of light (or whether > > this was an ordering option beyond a single batch at all). > > I must correct myself, partly or entirely: apparently there was > (also) a 21/35, with Leitz 21mm lens, including shift (remember, the > Seitz Roundshots also took 30mm non-perforated film, and with 43.26mm > image circle it could still shift). > > Saw a 21mm for sale myself once, the 28mm only from hearsay (same > source confirmed 21mm). Can anyone list the whole Roundshot range?..........I heard they made a camera for 10 inch film with 120mm lens, same design as the 65. Also heard they made a few Super 5 inch cameras. Clayton Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:10:11 +0100 From: Willem-Jan Markerink Subject: Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Cc: michael przewrocki Reply-To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl On 13 Feb 2004 at 15:01, Clayton Tume wrote: > > > > > > Btw, according to Seitz insiders, there were also a handful of > > > older generation Roundshot 28/35's, with 28mm lens. Anyone on this > > > list know where these went, or who might own one today? > > > > > > Not sure if these units were ever shown at a photo trade show like > > > the PhotoKina....or even when they saw the dawn of light (or > > > whether this was an ordering option beyond a single batch at all). > > > > I must correct myself, partly or entirely: apparently there was > > (also) a 21/35, with Leitz 21mm lens, including shift (remember, the > > Seitz Roundshots also took 30mm non-perforated film, and with > > 43.26mm image circle it could still shift). > > > > Saw a 21mm for sale myself once, the 28mm only from hearsay (same > > source confirmed 21mm). > > > > > Can anyone list the whole Roundshot range?..........I heard they made > a camera for 10 inch film with 120mm lens, same design as the 65. Also > heard they made a few Super 5 inch cameras. > > Clayton I only know about a 90mm 90/5" (instead of the usual 65mm lens (which is also used for the 65/70mm and 65/220-70mm (first generation only took 70mm, could be adapted to 120/220). Perforated film is 9.5" btw (common aerial format, not sure if 10" perforated exists). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:42:41 +1300 From: Clayton Tume Subject: Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s To: Panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Reply-To: Clayton Tume > I only know about a 90mm 90/5" (instead of the usual 65mm lens (which > is also used for the 65/70mm and 65/220-70mm (first generation only > took 70mm, could be adapted to 120/220). > > Perforated film is 9.5" btw (common aerial format, not sure if 10" > perforated exists). My Roundshot uses unperforated film (perforated can be used as well) and I suspect all the Roundshots apart from the 35mm models use unperfed as well. 10" film is a common size for Cirkut cameras and still available so I see no reason not to build a camera for that size film. Any idea how many 90/5" cameras were built? Is that the same construction as the 65/70, 65/5" ? If so would be a large and heavy camera. Clayton From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: seitz@roundshot.ch Subject: (Fwd) Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:18:12 +0100 Dear Mrs/Mr, As you can read below, we have a discussion on the Panorama Mailinglist about the range of rare & unusual Roundshot camera's that were once made, either prototypes or custom-orders....could you send me a complete list of these rare models, perhaps even with further specifications? Many thanx in advance! ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s Copies to: michael przewrocki Send reply to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:10:09 +0100 On 13 Feb 2004 at 15:01, Clayton Tume wrote: > > > > > > Btw, according to Seitz insiders, there were also a handful of > > > older generation Roundshot 28/35's, with 28mm lens. Anyone on > > > this list know where these went, or who might own one today? > > > > > > Not sure if these units were ever shown at a photo trade show > > > like the PhotoKina....or even when they saw the dawn of light > > > (or whether this was an ordering option beyond a single batch at > > > all). > > > > I must correct myself, partly or entirely: apparently there was > > (also) a 21/35, with Leitz 21mm lens, including shift (remember, > > the Seitz Roundshots also took 30mm non-perforated film, and with > > 43.26mm image circle it could still shift). > > > > Saw a 21mm for sale myself once, the 28mm only from hearsay (same > > source confirmed 21mm). > > > > > Can anyone list the whole Roundshot range?..........I heard they > made a camera for 10 inch film with 120mm lens, same design as the > 65. Also heard they made a few Super 5 inch cameras. > > Clayton I only know about a 90mm 90/5" (instead of the usual 65mm lens (which is also used for the 65/70mm and 65/220-70mm (first generation only took 70mm, could be adapted to 120/220). Perforated film is 9.5" btw (common aerial format, not sure if 10" perforated exists). ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] Reply-To: From: "Werner Seitz" To: Subject: AW: (Fwd) Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:33:43 +0100 Hello Mr. Markerink Thank you for your mail. I started to make a list with all cameras that we have made and I found more and more. Al over we have made in the last 45 years over 70 different camera-models. Most cameras in the beginning have been made in small quantity from 1 to 10 pcs. They have been made for users all over for photographers, for industry and military. We will do a list and we will try to put almost all the made cameras on it. Please give us some more time, as we have to make research in our documents. To the question below I can tell the following: We have made several panorama cameras using a 28mm lens. All of them used 35mm film. They have been made with Leica and Schneider 28mm lenses. In the same time we produced a camera using a 21mm lens from Leica. Some cameras hade changeable head's. One motor with the control could be used for a 21mm camera-, a 28mm camera- and a 35mm camera-head. We made cameras using the 90mm Rodenstock lens together with 5Inch film. We never made a camera with 10 Inch film. Also several Super 5 Inch have been produced. The camera had filmcassettes and could carry all lenses from 65m to 600mm. We hope this short info helped you for the moment. As said we will forward you a list with almost all cameras ( try to find pictures as well ) with more info. If you like you may have a look at our actual web page. A new release is in preparation and will be online in 3 weeks. www.roundshot.ch With best regards Werner Seitz SEITZ Phototechnik AG Hauptstrasse 14 8512 Lustdorf Switzerland w.seitz@roundshot.ch www.roundshot.ch Werner Seitz SEITZ Phototechnik AG Hauptstrasse 14 8512 Lustdorf Switzerland w.seitz@roundshot.ch www.roundshot.ch Phone +41 52 376 33 53 Fax +41 52 376 33 05 From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Subject: Re: AW: (Fwd) Re: Roundshot 28/220 & 28/35s Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:38:59 +0100 On 16 Feb 2004 at 19:33, Werner Seitz wrote: > Hello Mr. Markerink > > Thank you for your mail. > I started to make a list with all cameras that we have made and I found more > and more. Al over we have made in the last 45 years over 70 different > camera-models. > Most cameras in the beginning have been made in small quantity from 1 to 10 > pcs. > They have been made for users all over for photographers, for industry and > military. > > We will do a list and we will trie to put almost all the mede cameras on it. > Please give us some more time, as we have to make resurch in our documents. > > To the question below I can tell the following: > > We have made several panorama cameras using a 28mm lens. All of them used > 35mm film. They have been made with Leica and Schneider 28mm lenses. > > In the same time we produced a camera using a 21mm lens from Leica. > Some cameras hade changeable head's. One motor with the control could be > used for a 21mm camera-, a 28mm camera- and a 35mm camera-head. > > We made cameras using the 90mm Rodenstock lens together with 5Inch film We > never made a camera with 10 Inch film. > > Also several Super 5 Inch have been produced.The camera had filmcassettes > and could carry all lenses from 65m to 600mm. > > We hope this short info helped you for the moment. > > As said we will forward you a list with almost all cameras ( trie to find > pictures as well ) with more info. > > If you like you may have a look at our actual web page. > A new release is in preparation and will be online in 3 weeks. > www.roundshot.ch > > With best regards > Werner Seitz Hello Mr. Seitz, Thank you very much for your prompt & very interesting reply!....:)) Looking forward to your complete list of all Seitz camera's ever made, in particular with pictures included! Btw 5" Roundshot & Super Roundshot, *both* with film cartridges I assume: Are these cartridges a proprietary/exclusive Seitz-design, or did the aerial/military industry already have such a cartridge designed in the past? PS: also thanks for replying in English, even though you might have preferred German, and even though I speak/write also fluently German....this way, I can easily forward your message back to the original (English) mailinglist, *and* create a nice article on my homepage about this thread&topic, in the most universal language possible, for the largest audience possible....:)) In the name of Preservation of Knowledge & Industrial Heritance, and many other web-masters devoted to that task, I thank you once more in advance for your efforts....would be a shame if all this nice info about the most exotic versions of an already exotic range of camera's never saw the dawn of light again!....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Werner Seitz" To: Subject: Roundshot special cameras Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:49:15 +0100 Hello Mr. Markerink Refer to our last mail with the request for a list of Roundshot cameras, we have soon our new website where you can find a long list with older Roundshot cameras. Please find in enclosure a link to the German version. http://cms3-roundshot.backslash.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d583/f585.cfm Soon we will have it also in English. With best regards, Werner Seitz SEITZ Phototechnik AG Hauptstrasse 14 8512 Lustdorf Switzerland w.seitz@roundshot.ch www.roundshot.ch Phone +41 52 376 33 53 Fax +41 52 376 33 05 From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Subject: Re: Roundshot special cameras Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:52:56 +0100 On 11 Mar 2004 at 9:49, Werner Seitz wrote: > Hello Mr. Markerink > > Refer to our last mail with the request for a list of Roundshot > cameras, we have soon our new website where you can find a long list > with older Roundshot cameras. Please find in enclosure a link to the > German version. > > http://cms3-roundshot.backslash.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d583/ > f585.c fm > > Soon we will have it also in English. Thank you, very interesting! Allow me 2 comments: - Your above link contains a space on the end, between 'f585.c' and 'fm'....with less experienced internet-users this could create problems (in case you gave this same link to other people already, or if you put that link online somewhere). - The images on your site are luckily 'clickeable', for enlargment, but the mouse-cursor doesn't show/suggest that it is clickeable, in the form of the shape of a hand, as usual with clickeable links & images. Many thanx for your efforts! PS: if you have more images from one or more of the shown models, please put them all online....so that our grandchildren can also enjoy the marvels of the past....:))....a single image creates hunger for more....;)) Keep the good work up!....:)) And please notify when the English translation/page is online too, thanx for that effort too! -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]