From: "lili prvulovic" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: [80] RECOVERY Date sent: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:16:05 +0800 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Friend of mine told me about his experience somewhere in Kimberley last year.Apperantly his 80 become bogged in the creek up to the door seals.He says that he has made a hub adaptors that bolts to the wheel studs with a spool extention.Fitted to both rear wheels and with two wire rope winch cables he mannaged to get himself out using his rear wheels as a winch.I never heard of this before but i cant think of a reason why it cant be done.Also he showed me a strange device that bolts to the wheel studs and has a offset wheel,something like half of a wheel rim.Fitted to rear wheels this device lifts rear end of a 4x4 and moves it back a couple of feet or so per wheel rotation.He says that he used it on number of occasions with success.He has a front mounted Warn 9000 winch and he never used it yet. Has anyone ever heard of some device like this before? Are they comercialy available? From: "Christo Slee" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: Re: [80] RECOVERY Date sent: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:26:43 -0600 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com > Friend of mine told me about his experience somewhere in Kimberley last > year.Apperantly his 80 become bogged in the creek up to the door seals.He says > that he has made a hub adaptors that bolts to the wheel studs with a spool > extention.Fitted to both rear wheels and with two wire rope winch cables he > mannaged to get himself out using his rear wheels as a winch.I never heard of > this before but i cant think of a reason why it cant be done.Also he showed me > a strange device that bolts to the wheel studs and has a offset > wheel,something like half of a wheel rim.Fitted to rear wheels > this device lifts rear end of a 4x4 and moves it back a couple of feet or so > per wheel rotation.He says that he used it on number of occasions with > success.He has a front mounted Warn 9000 winch and he never used it yet. Has > anyone ever heard of some device like this before? Are they comercialy > available? I have seen 'wheel hub winches' on Land Rover wheels in South Africa. Never had the opportunity to try them. Christo Date sent: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:16:39 +1000 To: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com From: Jack Chomley Subject: Re: [80] RECOVERY [chat] Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com At 10:16 PM 6/24/00 +0800, you wrote: >Friend of mine told me about his experience somewhere in Kimberley last >year.Apperantly his 80 become bogged in the creek up to the door seals.He >says that he has made a hub adaptors that bolts to the wheel studs with a >spool extention.Fitted to both rear wheels and with two wire rope winch >cables he mannaged to get himself out using his rear wheels as a winch.I >never heard of this before but i cant think of a reason why it cant be >done.Also he showed me a strange device that bolts to the wheel studs and >has a offset wheel,something like half of a wheel rim.Fitted to rear wheels >this device lifts rear end of a 4x4 and moves it back a couple of feet or so >per wheel rotation.He says that he used it on number of occasions with >success.He has a front mounted Warn 9000 winch and he never used it yet. Has >anyone ever heard of some device like this before? Are they comercialy >available? > These where fitted to the front wheels of some Australian Army Series II Land Rovers, in the late 60's. They had a small slot cut in the side of the outer section to allow a wire knotted rope to engage and then wind onto the reel, without slipping, something like a lawn mower starter cord. They were used mainly to retrieve vehicles from bog situations in mud or sand, not up hills etc. Have not seen them available for sale anywhere. New business opportunity? someone? Jack Chomley Australia From: "Dennis Driver" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: Re: [80] RECOVERY Date sent: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:54:16 +0930 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com From: "lili prvulovic" > Friend of mine told me about his experience somewhere in Kimberley last > year.Apperantly his 80 become bogged in the creek up to the door seals.He > says that he has made a hub adaptors that bolts to the wheel studs with a > spool extention.Fitted to both rear wheels and with two wire rope winch Yes - used it regularly years ago, mainly on ex-war "Blitz wagons" good heavy axles & wheel studs used it front & rear axles-- Don't think I would try it on the front of a modern light (in comparison) 4X4 tho. Seen it used on L/Rovers quite a bit.(commercial) We always had 3 to 400 feet of cable on board for servicing bores that helped, tie it to one wheel find a tree within 150 -200 feet around that & back to the other wheel & your out. You have to watch the difference in ground speed between the cable & the tyres when they get a bit of grip, too much loose cable if not careful. We used a rim from a set of duals without the tyre on it (plenty of off set) & large diameter, - stopped you sinking too far in really soft stuff too. Regards DD From: "Norm Needham" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: Re: [80] RECOVERY Date sent: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:26:37 +1000 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com From: lili prvulovic > done.Also he showed me a strange device that bolts to the wheel studs and > has a offset wheel,something like half of a wheel rim.Fitted to rear wheels > this device lifts rear end of a 4x4 and moves it back a couple of feet or > so per wheel rotation.He says that he used it on number of occasions with > success.He has a front mounted Warn 9000 winch and he never used it yet. > Has anyone ever heard of some device like this before? > Are they comercialy available? Lili, If memory serves well, these devices were called "Joey" wheels. I think they were made by someone in Qld. Have not heard of them for some time now. Cheers * Norm Needham * * Traction4 / ARB Northside * Sydney, Australia * Trac4@bigpond.com Trac4@telstra.com Date sent: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:02:21 +1000 From: Paul Kelly To: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Subject: Re: [80] RECOVERY Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Norm Needham wrote: > From: lili prvulovic > > > done.Also he showed me a strange device that bolts to the wheel studs and > > has a offset wheel,something like half of a wheel rim.Fitted to rear wheels > > this device lifts rear end of a 4x4 and moves it back a couple of feet or > > so per wheel rotation.He says that he used it on number of occasions with > > success.He has a front mounted Warn 9000 winch and he never used it yet. > > Has anyone ever heard of some device like this before? > > Are they comercialy available? > > > Lili, > If memory serves well, these devices were called "Joey" wheels. I think > they were made by someone in Qld. > Have not heard of them for some time now. > > Cheers * > Norm Needham * * These wheel capstan thingys appeared a long time ago. Probably back in the days when Mike and Mal where mere boys. They probably never took off because of the complex installation requirements. 1. undo bolts. 2. place capstan on wheel 3. do up bolts. Or maybe it was that you cannot drive on public roads with any part of the wheel protruding outside the body work. -- Paul Kelly Melbourne Australia From: "Norm Needham" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: Re: [80] RECOVERY Date sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:11:52 +1000 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com From: Paul Kelly > >Norm Needham wrote: > >> From: lili prvulovic >> >> > done.Also he showed me a strange device that bolts to the wheel studs and >> > has a offset wheel,something like half of a wheel rim.Fitted to rear wheels SNIP >> Lili, >> If memory serves well, these devices were called "Joey" wheels. I think >> they were made by someone in Qld. >> Have not heard of them for some time now. >> > >These wheel capstan thingys appeared a long time ago. Probably back in the >days when Mike and Mal where mere boys. >They probably never took off because of the complex installation >requirements. >1. undo bolts. >2. place capstan on wheel >3. do up bolts. >Or maybe it was that you cannot drive on public roads with any part of the >wheel protruding outside the body work. Paul, They still are! At least Mike is; I know him quite well. He is a sprightly 50 something. The device I think Lili was describing is not the capstan you are thinking of, but an eccentric bolt on wheel (and tyre?). It sort of lifts the vehicle out of the mire as you try to drive. Cheers * Norm Needham * * Traction 4 / ARB Northside * Sydney, Australia * Trac4@bigpond.com Trac4@telstra.com From: "Pieter" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: Re: [80] hydraulic winches Date sent: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:47:13 +0200 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com > Boy that is OX SLOW!!! By the way, have you ever tried freewheeling the > cable instead of being able to power it out when climbing a steep or > slippery hill??? > > It is plainly obvious that an electric winch is cheaper, works without the > engine, when battery power is set up to suit, will run pretty much all day, > and will extract you faster than you can make a cup of coffee!!!!!! > > Darren McRae. I have an OX winch on my HDJ100. Yes, it's slow, that is line speed does not depend on load. Had to use it on a couple of occasions ot get me through peat bogs (car sits on it's belly and wheels just spin). Last accasion was Sat. June 17. Got stuck. Hooked the cable to a Nissan Patrol at the end of the bog (no trees around). Spooled in the cable and started to winch in the Patrol. Exit Patrol. Next car, a TLC 73 (with a Warn winch). First question from the driver: "do you have enough juice left in your batteries?" "No problem, it's hydraulic." Hooked the cable to a TLC 73. Same story, the 73 started to move. Dug a couple of holes for the 73 to park it's front wheels in. And yes, finally my car started to move. Took some 20 minutes to cover the 25 meters out of the bog . Speed on first layer is a bit less than 1 meter /min. I'm quite happy with the OX winch. Main purpose is to get me out of situations like the one above. Speed is then less of a of concern, ability to winch forever is, also when the winch is underwater. If I have to switch off the engine, it means water is way above the hood. In that case start looking for cranes. Cheers, Pieter HDJ100, Minsk, BY PS: I saw somebody mentioned wheelmounted winches. I also saw those on a Russian site. The guy made a hole in the side of the drum such that it fitted precisely over the hubs. So he could slide them on the hub, put in the other side to hold it, and off you go. If I find the URL again, I'll post it. From: "Gary Stockton" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: RE: [80] hydraulic winches Date sent: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:11:00 +0200 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Hi all, Has anyone any experience with the MileMarker hydraulic winch?? Any good? Compared to, say a Warn 9000i? BTW - we get hub-winches here (South Africa) called 'HubbyTrax'. Fit to both front wheels (or all 4 if you want), and the cable is stored separately. Great for those 'quick and dirty' recoveries!! Cheers. Gary From: "Pieter" To: "80series list" <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: [80] Wheelhub winch Date sent: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:24:56 +0200 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Here's the URL where I saw the Russian Hub winch: http://www.markandmichelle.com/yazoleg.htm It's one page of a fascinating write-up of a trip from Vladivostok to Istanbul. Highly recommended. Cheers, Pieter HDJ100, Minsk, BY From: "Gary Stockton" To: <80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com> Subject: RE: [80] hydraulic winches Date sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:39:15 +0200 Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Hi Stephen, Have a look at this site: http://www.jly2.com/hubytrax/index.html Cheers, Gary