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Medium & large format slide projectors, past & present

		       Format  	Max Size	Slide feed	Wattage		AV/Triac	Country of origin
 6x6	
								
Agfa Karator 77		6x6 & 35mm				  500
Rollei Automatic Universal 6x6 & 35mm		tray		  300/500	 -		(Germany, 150mm/f2.8, motorized zoom lens optional)
Rollei P11          	6x6 & 35mm		tray		   ?		 *		(Germany)
Rollei 66 Dual P	6x6 & 35mm		tray				 *
Rollei 66 (AV)		6x6			tray		   ?		(*)
Kindermann 		6x6 			tray				 *		(Germany, out of production)
Hasselblad 		6x6 			tray				 ?		(Sweden)
KIEV Automat 		6x6 			tray				 -		(Ukraine)
Leitz Prado 66		6x6 & 35mm		single		  500/750	 -		(Germany, 150/2.5 Hektor, 150/2.8 Elmaron, 150/2.8 Dimar, 200/2.5 Hektor, 200/4, 175/2.5, 250/2.5)
Leitz Prado 500		6x6			single
Leitz Prado 5000	6x6			single				 -		(German, '500' with long base/lens)
Leitz Prado Universal	6x6 & 35mm		single		  250 (halogen)
Liesegang 600M		6x6			 ?
Medirex 		6x6 			single				 -		(Czech republic)
Noris			6x6			 ?
Planet			6x6			 ?
Gnome Alphax Major	6x6			single		  300/150	 -	




 6x7

Beseler						
Linhof/Leitz		6x7			single		  300-750W	 -		(Germany, Leitz Prado converted by Linhof, some with Rodenstock lenses)
	('Ideal-Format' 56x72(!))
Linhof/Cabin		6x7 (almost 6x9!)	single		  650W		 -		(Germany/Japan, 150mm/f3.5 or 200mm/f4.5)
Linhof/Liesegang	6x7 			single		  250W		 -		(Germany)
Liesegang Diafant 	6x7 			single		  250W		 -		(Germany, also sold by Linhof)

Goetschmann P67		6x7 			single		 1000W/230v	 -		 3000 lumen (Germany, sold by Mamiya USA)
Goetschmann P67P	6x7 			single		  400W/36v	 -		 6000 lumen 
Goetschmann AV8585	6x7			tray		  400W/36v	 *		 6000 lumen
Goetschmann AV8585-S2	6x7			tray		 1200W/HMI	 *		16000(!) lumen


Mamiya Cabin 		6x7 			single		  320W		 -		(Japan, 150mm/f3.5 or 200mm/f4.5, 110/120V & 220-240V)
	(+adapters for 6x6 and 35mm slides, and 120/220 strip)




 4x5"/9x12cm and larger

Goetschmann G912	9X12cm			single/overhead-style				(Germany, no longer in production, only small quantity produced)
Goetschmann prototype 	4x5" (9x11.5cm)		tray/serial	 2500W HMI/HID/Xenon		30000 lumen

Leitz Diaskop IV-BL	4x5"(110x110mm)		single		 1000/500W(P28s) -              (Germany, 500W optional, 110 or 220V. lenses ranging from 200mm/f4 to 1000mm/f6)
	(wooden adapters for 6x6, 6x7, 6x9 etc)			
Leitz Epidiaskop Vh(2)	4x5"/19x31cm(reflective)single		  500/1000W(P28s)-		(Germany, 110 or 220V. Lenses range from 200mm/f3.6 to 500mm/f4.3)

Leitz Grossraum 
       Epidiaskop IIIg  4x5"/8x8"(reflective)   single	     500/1000/1500W(E40) -		(Germany, 4-6 110V lamps, diaskop lenses similar to IV-BL, episkop lenses ranging from 350/3.5 to 1300/3.5)    
Leitz Grossraum 
       Epidiaskop IIIm  4x5"/8x8"(reflective)   single	     500/1000/1500W(E40) -		(Germany, 2+1 110V lamps, diaskop lenses similar to IV-BL, episkop lenses ranging from 350/3.5 to 1300/3.5)    
Leitz Grossraum 
       Epidiaskop IIIq  4x5"/8x8"(reflective)   single	     500/1000W(E40) 	 -		(Germany, 2+1 110V lamps, diaskop lenses 200/4.0, 250/4.0, 325/3.6, 400/4.0, 500/5.7, episkop lenses 400/3.6, 500/4.3, 600/4.5, 800/4.8, 1000/6 or 1000/4.8)
Leitz Grossraum 
     Epidiaskop IIIq/R 	4x5"/8x8"(reflective)   single	     500/1000W(E40)	 -		(Germany, 2+1+1 110V lamp, diaskop lenses 200/4.0, 250/4.0, 325/3.6, 400/4.0, 500/5.7, episkop lenses 400/3.6, 500/4.3, 600/4.5, 800/4.8, 1000/6 or 1000/4.8)    
			(+ 21 or 27cm diameter Roentgen table-projection, 1000W)

Leitz Röntgen-Gross- 
      -Epidiaskop 	30x40cm(!)	        single	     500/1000/1500W(E40) -		(Germany, 4-6 110V lamps, diaskop lenses similar to IV-BL, episkop lenses ranging from 350/3.5 to 1300/3.5)    
Leitz Röntgen Projektor
       "Münster"        30x40cm(!) 		single	     500/1000/1500W(E40) -		(Germany, 1x 110V lamp, diaskop lenses similar to IV-BL, episkop lenses ranging from 350/3.5 to 1300/3.5)    
Leitz Röntgen Projektor 			(overhead-style)
       Epidiaskop XVI-b 27cm diameter		single	     500/1000W		 -		(Germany, 1x 110V lamp, episkop lens 500mm/f4.3)    


Leitz Grossraum 
       Epidiaskop IIIs  4x5"/8x8"(reflective)   single	     500/1000/1500W(E40) -		(Germany, 4-6 110V lamps, diaskop lenses similar to IV-BL, episkop lenses ranging from 350/3.5 to 1300/3.5)    


Liesegang Avanti-2	4x5"			single		  500W				(Germany)
Liesegang Epidiaskop	4x5"			single
Noblex Noblux		4x5"(118x118mm)		single		  500W(GY9.5)	 ?		(Germany, 230v bulb, also sold by Linhof) f4.0/280mm standard, f3.6/200mm small batch, f6.7/360mm prototype, f4/420mm small batch.
                                     (prototype motorized 120/220-roll exists, one (demo?) unit was for sale in USA)   
Ross Epidiaskop		?/?(reflective)		single		 1000W


Hardware Xenon		6x6 			tray		2/5/7000W	 *		(USA)
		     18.5x18.5  		tray		2/5/7000W	 *		(USA)
[very expensive high-output systems, US$15-30k]


Titan			8x10"			?		?
[high-end, prices of US$50k(?)]


Revolux(?) 		
	 HP2000		13x13cm & 18x18cm	single/dual	 2000W/GY16			150-600mm, adjustable distance lamp vs slide vs lens, only single condensor needed, plus animation-modules/continuous film
 	 HP5000		13x13cm & 18x18cm	single/dual	 5000W/G38
	HP10000		13x13cm & 18x18cm	single/dual	10000W/G38


Pani
	BP 2/II		18x18cm			single/dual	 2000W halogen			110-600mm lenses, adjustable lamp, only single condensor needed.
	BP 2500/halogen	18x18cm			single/dual	 2500/3000W halogen
	BP 1,2		18x18cm			single/dual	 1200W HMI (3x more powerfull pro Watt)
	BP 2,5		18x18cm			single/dual	 2500W HMI
	BP 4		18x18cm			single/dual	 4000W HMI
	BP 6 GT		18x18cm			single/dual	 6000W HMI
	BP 12		24x24cm			single/dual	12000W HMI



Avanti 	G3  		4x5"/3.25x4.25"(8.25x11cm?)/2.75x2.75"(7x7cm)/2x2"(5x5cm)	500W


Beseler Slide King 	3.25x4.25"(8.25x11cm)/2.75x2.75(7x7cm)/2x2"(5x5cm)		750W


TRANS LUX 4x5" 							3000W/5000W
(price of small car in 1971)


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						+ = present
						- = lacking 
						* = optional	



Beyond this current/recent production, a whole bunch of older US-made projectors exists on the used market....ask around in rec.photo.*

It seems that most, if not all, medium-format projectors use the same type of lens mount, 75mm diameter lens tubus, smooth surface....that means that only focus-setting is a variabele between different lens/projector combinations, not the fitting of the lens as such.

Date forwarded:   Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:47:37 +0100 (MET)
Forwarded by:     Steven.Morton@sci.monash.edu.au
Date sent:        Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:43:08 +0100
From:             Willem-Jan Markerink 
Subject:          Leitz 4x5" projectors?
To:               panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Send reply to:    w.j.markerink@a1.nl
Priority:         normal

Dear group, in particular the old farts among us, and those with a 
Teutonic-gear affection:

Does any of you have experience with, or knowledge of a Leitz 4x5" 
projector? I stumbled upon such a dinosaur, with 500mm 
lens....apparently used for commercial breaks in cinema's....yet all 
I hear when digging for info is that these things are supposed to be 
6x7, not 4x5"?

Anyone able to tell me a bit more about these things, and perhaps 
such cinematographic projectors in general? Perhaps even an average 
price on the used market?

--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]









Date sent:        Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:02:12 -0500
To:               w.j.markerink@a1.nl
From:             Marc James Small 
Subject:          Re: Leitz MF Projectors

It is probably a Model IV projector of some sort, made between 1913 and
1956 in a variety of formats.  The price seems about right:  these puppies
are more for collectors than for users!

Best,

Marc

msmall@roanoke.infi.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!










Date forwarded:   Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:45:50 +0100 (MET)
Forwarded by:     Steven.Morton@sci.monash.edu.au
Date sent:        Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:41:22 +0100
From:             Willem-Jan Markerink 
Subject:          Re: Leitz MF Projectors
To:               Marc James Small 
Copies to:        Panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Send reply to:    w.j.markerink@a1.nl
Priority:         normal

On 11 Mar 00 at 22:02, Marc James Small wrote:

> It is probably a Model IV projector of some sort, made between 1913 and
> 1956 in a variety of formats. 

Good guess!
I just hauled this piece of artillery over to my house, and this is 
what's written on housing & lens:

- Ernst Leitz GmbH Wetzlar

- IV BL (any idea what both stand for, cq what other codes were used 
for other models?)

- 91350 (hope to find out to which cinema this unit was delivered)

- Voltage selector: 130-220-120-240-110-230 
(sjeesh, never seen so much choice before!....I think this suggests a 
rather late year of construction, not?)

There are 2 more openings on the rear of the unit, a square one that 
looks like it was meant for some kind of on/off switch (sliding), and 
a round one that looks like it could have had an optional 
TRIAC-control(?....gotta need a second unit for 
dissolve-shows....:-)) 

- Lens: 
Leitz Wetzlar Germany
DIMAR 1:5.7 / 500mm

Included was a wooden 4x5" -> 8.5x8.5cm adapter (for 6x7 slides in both 
landscape and portrait orientation).

After calling Leica in Solms, it seems the only expert left is Mr. 
Molkentin, and the units are called Epi-Diaskop (think I have seen 
that name before, but I thought those were for reflective 
projection?). 
I got his email (molkentin.ts@leica-camera.com), and will fire off a
bunch of questions.

Btw, I powered it up, and hooked a Watt-meter inbetween....1100W, 
100W for the cooling fan, 1000W for the bulb....:-))
(of course, compared to 250W on a 24x36mm frame, I would need 4000W, 
not 1000W, but the fan would become deafening....;-))....and this 
also means 1/4 of the heat inflicted on the slide, ie less fading)

The Noblux 4x5" is only 500W, but with a 4/280mm lens (a 1994 Linhof 
catalog suggests that they were working on a 6.7/360mm, and motorized 
transport for 120/220....mmm, the latter sounds interesting, moving 
images, especially with panorama frames....mighty inspiring 
stuff....;-))).

--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]









Date sent:        Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:13:34 -0500
To:               w.j.markerink@a1.nl
From:             Marc James Small 
Subject:          Re: Leitz MF Projectors

Thanks for the most interesting update!  The 'BL' dealt with the later
models, and Laney does cover this in THE LEICA COLLECTORS GUIDE, but my
copy isn't at hand right now.

A fascinating piece!

Marc

msmall@roanoke.infi.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!











Date forwarded:   Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:54:01 +0100 (MET)
Forwarded by:     Steven.Morton@sci.monash.edu.au
Date sent:        Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:51:16 +0100
From:             Willem-Jan Markerink 
Subject:          Re: Leitz MF Projectors
To:               Marc James Small 
Copies to:        Panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Send reply to:    w.j.markerink@a1.nl
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On 18 Mar 00 at 14:13, Marc James Small wrote:

> Thanks for the most interesting update!  The 'BL' dealt with the later
> models, and Laney does cover this in THE LEICA COLLECTORS GUIDE, but my
> copy isn't at hand right now.

Aha, thanks for the pointer....with image(s) included, also of the 
other/earlier models?

Btw, that molkentin@ address for the senior expert at Leica ain't
right, received bounces with all permutations/variations, will find
out next week.

Size of this monster is 99cm long, 43cm tall, 21cm wide (apart from 
the much wider slide-rail, sticking out on both sides)....a genuine 
piece of artillery....8-))

--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]









Date sent:        Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:56:15 -0500
To:               w.j.markerink@a1.nl
From:             Marc James Small 
Subject:          Re: Leitz MF Projectors

At 08:51 PM 3/18/2000 +0100, you wrote:
>Aha, thanks for the pointer....with image(s) included, also of the 
>other/earlier models?

Laney includes some pictures.  Not enough, but some.

Best,

Marc

msmall@roanoke.infi.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!











From:             "Steve Shapiro" 
To:               
Subject:          Re: Leitz 4x5" projectors?
Date sent:        Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:20:54 -0800

----- Original Message -----
From: Willem-Jan Markerink 

> Dear group, in particular the old farts among us, and those with a
> Teutonic-gear affection:
>
> Does any of you have experience with, or knowledge of a Leitz 4x5"
> projector? I stumbled upon such a dinosaur, with 500mm
> lens....apparently used for commercial breaks in cinema's....yet all
> I hear when digging for info is that these things are supposed to be
> 6x7, not 4x5"?
>
> Anyone able to tell me a bit more about these things, and perhaps
> such cinematographic projectors in general? Perhaps even an average
> price on the used market?

Willem

You're lucky if you have one, even more lucky if you have friends willing to
watch what you put through it with you.

The price to buy?  What you can afford and enjoy is worth it; and to sell
... what you can get and be happy as you would make somebody happy, too.

There are not many who can appreciate such a great piece of equipment.  I
had a chance to buy one in an antique shop marked to sell as junk.  I'm
upset I didn't take the opportunity when it presented itself; and I'd buy
one in a second if it was for sale and I had the money for it, then and
there.

S.G. Shapiro










From:             "phillip geller" 
To:               
Subject:          Re: Leitz 4x5" projectors?
Date sent:        Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:24:13 -0600

> Does any of you have experience with, or knowledge of a Leitz 4x5"
> projector? I stumbled upon such a dinosaur, with 500mm
> lens....apparently used for commercial breaks in cinema's....yet all
> I hear when digging for info is that these things are supposed to be
> 6x7, not 4x5"?
> Anyone able to tell me a bit more about these things, and perhaps
> such cinematographic projectors in general? Perhaps even an average
> price on the used market?

They used to be called lantern slide projectors. A friend of mine has a 4x5 one
made by B&L I think, it's a fairly modern one. He uses it to project backgrounds
in his photo studio.  It's about 2 feet long  with a lot of bellows. In the
cinema, they used glass plates.

Phil










Date forwarded:   Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:36:50 +0100 (MET)
Forwarded by:     Steven.Morton@sci.monash.edu.au
Date sent:        Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:57:22 +0100
From:             Willem-Jan Markerink 
Subject:          Re: Leitz 4x5" projectors?
To:               Panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Send reply to:    w.j.markerink@a1.nl
Priority:         normal

On 11 Mar 00 at 20:24, phillip geller wrote:

> > Does any of you have experience with, or knowledge of a Leitz 4x5"
> > projector? I stumbled upon such a dinosaur, with 500mm
> > lens....apparently used for commercial breaks in cinema's....yet all
> > I hear when digging for info is that these things are supposed to be
> > 6x7, not 4x5"?
> > Anyone able to tell me a bit more about these things, and perhaps
> > such cinematographic projectors in general? Perhaps even an average
> > price on the used market?
> > Bye,
> 
> > Willem-Jan Markerink
>
> They used to be called lantern slide projectors. A friend of mine has a 4x5
> one  made by B&L I think, it's a fairly modern one. He uses it to project
> backgrounds in his photo studio.  It's about 2 feet long  with a lot of
> bellows. In the cinema, they used glass plates.

Mine is more like 3-4 feet long, one feet tall, slightly less wide, 
all-metal, helical focusing mount on the front.

Is B&L still around today?
What is their full name?
Does anyone know their address/phonenumber, or perhaps even an URL?
On my homepage, I have an overview of medium-format & large-format 
projectors, and this one isn't listed yet....;-))

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/proj_667.htm

--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]











From:             "phillip geller" 
To:               
Subject:          Re: Leitz 4x5" projectors?
Date sent:        Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:02:02 -0600

----- Original Message -----
From: Willem-Jan Markerink 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Leitz 4x5" projectors?

> On 17 Mar 00 at 18:57, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
>
> > > They used to be called lantern slide projectors. A friend of mine has a 4x5
> > > one  made by B&L I think, it's a fairly modern one. He uses it to project
> > > backgrounds in his photo studio.  It's about 2 feet long  with a lot of bellows.
> > > In the cinema, they used glass plates.
> >
> > Mine is more like 3-4 feet long, one feet tall, slightly less wide,
> > all-metal, helical focusing mount on the front.
> >
> > Is B&L still around today?
> > What is their full name?
> > Does anyone know their address/phonenumber, or perhaps even an URL?

B&L = Bausch and Lomb

Rochester New York yes they are still in biz. they make contact lenses now, they
used to make a lot of optical equipment like binoculars and camera lenses ,
probably for kodak .

http://www.bausch.com/visionhome.jsp
I visited this site, nothing but eyecare.

Phil










Date sent:        Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:02:54 +0000 (GMT)
From:             Ernst Dinkla 
Subject:          Re: Leitz MF Projectors
To:               Willem-Jan Markerink 

In  on Fri 17 Mar, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:

> After calling Leica in Solms, it seems the only expert left is Mr. 
> Molkentin, and the units are called Epi-Diaskop (think I have seen 
> that name before, but I thought those were for reflective 
> projection?).

The Epi-Diaskop could be used for reflective and transparency
projection. Seen one about ten years ago and the man who owned it
may still have it, I will ask him. 

Ernst
-- 
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Date forwarded:   Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:10:57 +0100 (MET)
Forwarded by:     Steven.Morton@sci.monash.edu.au
Date sent:        Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:09:05 +0100
From:             Willem-Jan Markerink 
Subject:          Re: Leitz MF Projectors
To:               Panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Send reply to:    w.j.markerink@a1.nl
Priority:         normal

On 17 Mar 00 at 22:02, Ernst Dinkla wrote:

> In  on Fri 17 Mar, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote:
> 
> > After calling Leica in Solms, it seems the only expert left is Mr. 
> > Molkentin, and the units are called Epi-Diaskop (think I have seen 
> > that name before, but I thought those were for reflective 
> > projection?).
> 
> The Epi-Diaskop could be used for reflective and transparency
> projection. Seen one about ten years ago and the man who owned it
> may still have it, I will ask him. 

That sounds more like my impression of an Epi-Diaskop....mine 
definately can't do reflective projection, only transparency.....one 
long piece of artillery....8-))

--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]










From:             "Rick Rieger" 
To:               
Subject:          Mamiya Cabin 6x7 Projector
Date sent:        Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:18:46 -0400

On your Web page you indicate that this projector uses a tray.  It does not. It
accepts single slides (85x85mm), or can take optional slide carriers for 6x7
(85x85mm), 6x6 and 6.4.5 (70x70mm), 35mm (2x2 inch), and a 120 filmstrip
carrier.  It uses a 320w lamp, runs on 110-120v or 220-240v, 50/60 hz.  The
standard lens is a 150mm f/3.5.  An optional 200mm f/4.5 lens is available.

I have one of these projectors.  It is very nice, except it is way
overpriced here in the U.S.  The price here is about US$1200, whereas in
Hong Kong this same unit is available for US$400.

Hope this helps.

Rick Rieger









FROM: Alexander 
SUBJECT: MF Diaprojektor Kiev66 Bericht
DATE: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:00:23 +0200
ORGANIZATION: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany
NEWSGROUPS: de.rec.fotografie

Hallo allerseits,

Seit August besitze ich den Kiev66 Universal (www.hartblei.com), der mit
zwei Objektive 2,8/85mm und 3,5/150mm für beide Diaformate geeignet ist.
Keine Automatik - man muss ihn manuell bedienen. Ich habe ihn in Kiev
bei Hartblei gekauft. Laut Hartblei "Universal Automat" sei nicht
empfehlenswert, weil er ziemlich schnell kaputtgeht.
Ich bin mit Projektionsqualität total zufrieden und MF Dias haben
grossen Unterschied in Schärfe, Korn usw. im Vergleich mit
35mm-Zwergbruder :)))

Seit Mitte 80-er ist Kiev66 Projektor nicht mehr hergestellt. Hartblei
hat im Plan, ihn in Nezhin (Ukr. Stadt, "Progress") wiederzuproduzieren.
Ausserdem Hartblei will Produktion von Objektiven (wie Telear, Kalejnar,
Vega und Mir) mit neuem Design wiederherstellen.

Gruss,

Alexander.









FROM: "richard evans" 
SUBJECT: Re: What 6x6 slide projector..?
DATE: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:07:16 -0000
NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Rob wrote in message ...
>Hi
>
>I would like to try taking 6x6 slides
>but I have seen the price of new
>6x6 projectors!!
>
>Is possible to pick up medium format slide
>projectors cheap second hand? Does anyone
>have any recommendations or advice? Any useful
>www links?
>
>Thanks for any advice.
>
>
>Rob.

Could try Gnome Alphax Major (UK built) if you see one.
Reasonable lenses and optics, fan cooled, manual slide holders
(not very precise register). Early ones had 300w. 240v. bulbs,
later 150w. halogen with transformer. S/h c. GBP50-70 in UK
HTH richard










FROM: Bob Salomon 
SUBJECT: Re: 6x17 Projector
DATE: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 04:49:05 -0500
ORGANIZATION: MindSpring Enterprises
NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.equipment.large-format

Joseph_Schutz wrote:

> Friends,
> 
> I would like a slide projector that will project 6x17 cm positives in a
> medium size room.
> 
> I would like the image to be relatively bright.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Joe

617 are projected with an overhead projector. Back in the 70s Linhof 
offered a 617 carrier to use with some Liesegang overheads but demand 
was so small it was discontinued in 80 or 81. Haven't seen one since. 
But Liesegang might still have a method of projecting them.


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 From: Michael McGuire (mike@xhplmmcg.xhpl.xhp.com)
 Subject: Re: 6X9-4X5 projectors? 
 Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
 Date: 1998/01/14 
 
: Shot a couple of rolls of 120 slide film on 6X9 and it looks
: REAL cool on the light box. I have to think that if quality
: of projection would be improved over 35mm slides, like the
: print quality is, I would love to see it projected. Did/does
: anyone make a med-large format projector? I know they make
: 6X6 but I shoot mostly 6X9, some 4X5 and don't care to
: project square slides. Could one be made? I don't want to
: spend too many $$$ but just wondering....thanx
: -- 


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: steve's pictures @ http://www.mindspring.com/~skoontz

You might be a little disappointed by the results of projecting LF 
transparencies. It seems that 35mm transparency film is developed to gamma 1.5
to compensate for the apparent decrease in contrast when they are projected in
a dark surround situation. Otherwise they would look a little flat. LF
transparencies are developed to gamma 1.25 so their contrast looks about right 
when viewed on a light box, but would be a bit flat appearing projected. YMMV

Mike
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Lucian Chis (chis@ece.orst.edu)
Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:28:22 -0800 (PST) 

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On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, G. Lehrer wrote:
> 
> Yes Manny, they did make that wretched device. a friend of mine relly
> "cooked" his viewing lens of his early F model with this
> projector/adapter. Bulb heat was too much for the camera. If you want 
> a 6x6 projector, get a PII with the Vario lens. Forget the Hassey unless
> you want to spend over a thou for it. Or get a Cabin projector which is
> a flimsy piece of junk.
> 
> Jerry
> 

Well, I really don't know how he could do this "burning"! Unless he tried
to use it in Death Valley! The thing uses a 50W lamp (I have one on eBay
right now as I used it once). Then again he could have had the heat filter
removed or broken inside!
I like to project on large screens and the light output from this device
doesn't do justice to a slide for more than 4' (1.2m) screen and even then
it is marginal.

On the Cabin idea, if you shoot a Rollei you don't need it as it is a 6X7
device. Optically, a Leitz Prado Universal with 6X6 nose and condensers
will beat your P-11 and it has better cooling (two channel) and higher
light output (250W halogen 24V lamp the same as the current Dual P
($1500+ lens), Hassy PCP80 ($3000 + lens)and a host of other gems) or the
Prado 66 which gets about the same output as the P-11 (up to 500W) 
and you have some good lenses to choose from (150/2.5 Hektor,
150/2.8ELmaron, 150/2.8Dimar, 200/2.5Hektor, 200/4, 175/2.5, 250/2.5 and
so on) all of which will give your Heidosmats nausea!

The trouble is that the Universal goes for $700 (Don Chatterton has one
for sale that I sold him a year ago with the 35mm optics as well).
The Prado 66 can be had on eBay for under $300 (or Prado 500 with 6X6
optics, same thing)

If you have a P11 already you may want to invest in some Leitz optics
instead of the 150/2.8 and have an adaptor made (I have one for mine made
by a friend from aluminum).
There is a catch. If you have the adaptor made too long , you will have
the lens float around as it will push down on the focusing finger whcih is
spring loaded. You just have to cut it down IF that happens. Mine was made
originally for the 90/2.5 Colorplan and it had more heft to it due to the
huge length of the Rollei lens which swings forward for 35mm, so I had to
cut it shorter; then decided I will not use P-11 for 35mm when I have so
many Leitz projectors and went for the bigger lens (150/2.8 Elmaron is
what I have currently in that adaptor and it goes on P66S as well
(barely, as the mount is a little shorter and the rollers are positioned
in different places). 
The Leitz lenses are all sharper than both the plain Heidosmat 150/2.8 and
the Vario (not by much)) and they are a toss-up with the current Heidosmat
150/3.5 but a stop brighter (Especially the Hektors, a baker's stop :-)).
I actually have too many of these as I gobbled up on them, so if anyone
wants to try I will loan one to you (or sell).

And of course the Goetschmann 8585AV will give you the best image at $7000
list! (:-) with those precious 6X7 that you shot with your Mamiya 7. It
fortunately uses Schneider lenses. (additional?)

Cheers,

Lucian










From: Lucian Chis (nchis@uswest.net)
Date: Mon Jan 15 2001 - 20:26:54 CST 

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ssutter@mindspring.com wrote: 

> Being new to medium format, I'm wondering how people store their 6x6 
> transparencies. i've always had them developed so that I get the full roll 
> back in one piece, but i'm starting to think more and more about storing 
> them differently. Any suggestions? 
> 
> also, when you project them, what kind of projector would you all recommend? 
> And how much would it be to mount them? 
> 
> thanks in advance for any good advice. 

At the time of processing you can choose to have the film sleeved and rolled or 
you can have it put in a "negative" file. 
If you have it in a simple sleeve, it is because you want to do something with 
it soon after processing. Like mount it in a slide mount or a presentation 
mount. Presentation mounts usually are glassless and are black whereas the slide 
mounts (for projection) have at least one white side (which will face the lamp 
in order to reduce the heat rise of the slide). 
Gepe is the best choice in the US; depending on where you live, you will prefer 
glass or glassless, of course leaning towards glass everywhere you can keep them 
without gathering humidity and fungus (like if you have AC in your house, you 
should be fine). Antinewton is recommended (at least one glass). 
My unglazed slides will need refocusing between center and corners. Glass 
mounted ones are just fine. 
Rollei used to have a medium format projector available in the USA, called 
Rolleivision 66 Dual P. It was the best buy as it was the only projector with 
integrated IR remote control, built-in dissolve capability, coated condensors, 
and AF. It has been temporarily discontinued with promises that it will be back. 
It sold for $1500 + ($150 - $1200 for the lens) Recommended is the Schneider 
AV-Xenotar 150/2.8 which is a 5 element lens; around $500) 30 slide straight 
tray connectable (to 60, but not more as 60 glass mounted slides weigh a lot and 
the mechanism will not be able to push more (like 120) uphill. 
Hasselblad still has a cache or PCP 80 slide projectors, even though I 
understand that Zeiss Ikon quit making them for a while now (these had a limited 
choice of lenses from 75mm for rear projection or wide angle, the 150/3.5 
P-Planar (5 element again) and the 250/4 P-Sonnar for large rooms. Expect to pay 
$2800 + $500 for the P-Planar. The advantage of the PCP80 is keystone correction 
built-in with tilting lighting assembly and shifting lens. the lighting is 
ingenious too, as it uses two dichroic mirrors to get rid of heat without a heat 
filter. 80slide carousel tray. Best cooling of all MF slide projectors 
(hyperbaric, with air filter to eliminate dust on optics. Huge machine compared 
to the Rolleis. 
Light output sensibly equal with the Rolleivision (same lamp 250W 24V) 
Used Rolleis are available too; the first was the P-11, which took 35mm as well. 

Extremely well made, but easily damaged in transport. Expect to pay $400-$1000 
for a used one (they quit making them in the 70's) depending on lens and 
capability (300W or 500W) as well as accessories (remote control, field case). 
You can use all Rollei MF projection lenses on all Rollei MF projectors (that 
meaning that you can take e.g. a 1964 Heidosmat 400/4 and put it on a 2001 
Rolleivision and it will fit 
Then of course you can go for the cheaper used stuff: Highly recommended are the 
Leitz Prado 66 (push-pull) especially the Prado Universal based ones (halogen 
lamp, same deal 250W 24V, a little dimmer (uncoated condensors). Expect to pay 
$300-$1000 for one, depending on lens and model. 
Kindermann made a lot of 6X6 projectors, most of mediocre performance (still 
better than any 35mm though!) with marginal cooling and most with manual 
advance. Oddly enough, projectors that list for $400-$500 new still grab 
$400-$600 used. It shows you the human nature. People are set to think they 
can't afford the good stuff (Rollei, Hasselblad) but pay more for a used 
Kindermann just like the one they saw at the camera club than for the same thing 
new! 
On the other hand the automatic fed Kindermann, which sold for $1000, will only 
grab the same $400-$600. 
The Liesegang models are identical with the Kindermann. Less known name in the 
US, therefore cheaper used. 
You can also find used US made stuff; optically the Bausch & Lomb would be a 
better choice, but they are notorious for jamming. Less than $200. 
Of course there is a plethora of Viewflex, SVE, Brumberger, or Japanese 
Romanslide projectors, most of modest performance with respect to brightness 
and cooling. 
Really cheap projectors will give you cheap results, with rare exceptions.I 
could really talk on the subject for a long time, but you are directed to go to 
Bob Monaghan's site and find some info there (some is anecdotal, some 
trustworthy). 

Cheers, 

Lucian 










Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:56:06 +0300 (EEST)
From: ari.pesonen@sci.fi
To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl
Subject: 6x7 projectors: commentary

Hello Willem!

I would like to comment your 6x7 projector page 
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/proj_667.htm

You are missing some data for the Linhof/Cabin projector, I own one of 
these, and the lamp is 650 W and the maximum projectable area is 75x75 
mm, in fact you can use mounts as big as 110x110 mm and project almost 
the whole area of a 6x9 slide. The projector is identical to the Pro 
Cabin 667, it is just rebadged with the Linhof logo. The available 
lenses are Cabin 150 mm /f:3.5 and Cabin 200 mm /f:4.5. The condenser is 
adjustable for each focal length. I got my projector with the 200 mm, 
but soon adapted a Leitz Elmaron 150 mm to it and it works great.

Other: you also mention "Bessler" projector on that page. It is a common 
misspelling of "Beseler".

Regards,
Ari Pesonen
Finland













http://www.grosskabinett.de/photo/div/Maske9x12.php

Großformatdiarahmen

Passend für den Liesegang "Avanti 2" 9×12 cm Diaprojektor gibt's hier die 
Anleitung zum Selberbauen von Diarahmen für das Filmformat 9×12 cm bzw. 
4×5". Die effektive Bildfläche, die durchleuchtet wird, beträgt 8×11 cm.
Material
Benötigt wird pro Diarahmen folgendes:

    * 2 Glasplatten 13×18 cm aus rahmenlosen Bilderhaltern. Bitte beachtet, 
      daß billige Rahmen oft sehr unebenes Glas enthalten. Also beim Kauf 
      darauf achten, daß das Glas eben ist.
    * 2 Streifen Textilklebeband von je 8 cm Länge und etwa 2 cm Breite.
    * die Maske.

Die Kosten halten sich somit mit etwa € 2,30 in erträglichen Grenzen.
Die Maske
Es stehen zwei Masken zur Verfügung:

    * Querformat: Maske9x12quer.pdf
    * Hochformat: Maske9x12hoch.pdf

Die passende Maske wird ausgedruckt und sauber ausgeschnitten. An der 
gestrichelten Linie wird sie später gefaltet.

Der grüne bzw. blaue Rahmen kennzeichnet die Außenmaße des Films und dient 
zur Zentrierung.

Das Diapositiv wird nun auf den oberen Teil der Maske gelegt. Mit einem 
Stückchen Tesafilm kann die Position fixiert werden, was aber bei gut 
planen Glasplatten nicht nötig ist. Das untere Maskenteil wird nun 
paßgenau auf das obere gefaltet, so daß das Diapositiv zwischen den 
Maskenteilen liegt. Das ganze Paket kommt nun zwischen die beiden 
gesäuberten Glasplatten und wird mit den beiden Klebstreifen an den 
Schmalseiten zusammengeklebt.

Es ist wichtig, daß oben und unten nichts über die Glasplatten hinaussteht, 
also auch kein Klebstreifen, da das Dia sonst nicht in den Projektor 
geschoben werden kann. 











http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=004Ofv

Large Format Slide Projector

Accidentally (I was looking for something else) I noticed yesterday, that 
some Japanese companies are offering a "Grandmaster 4x5" projector for 
rent, which comes with a 300mm lens. For those who can read it, here is a 
link.

http://www.ginichi.com/rental/p_list5.html

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ginichi.com%2Frental%2Fp_list5.html&tt=url&lp=ja_en

I'm not sure whether Grandmaster is the name of the projector itself or 
the company who made it and couldn't find anything in the web. Anybody 
here who knows more?

-- Andreas Schmidt , January 23, 2003; 12:27 A.M. Eastern 





 Sliding projector  Trade name    Value case  
The Kodak mosquito low cell 5600  100-150mm  3,000  
cIii  JA 100-150mm  3,000  
Schneider PC60mm  Wide lens (for mosquito low cell)  1,000 
VIP300AF  70-125mm (xenon lamp * daylight)  5,000  
Professional cabin 67-Z  150mm  2,500  
Gland master 4×5  300mm  5,000  
Cabin  Color screen TB150 150×150  2,000













Subject: [F] Adaptierung Heidosmat fuer Liesegang MF Diaprojektor?
From: Joost Willemen 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:45:45 +0200
Newsgroups: de.rec.fotografie

Hallo drf!

vor kurzer Zeit habe ich einen 6x6 MF Projektor, Liesegang A60 mit
Patrinast 3.0/150, erstanden. Es ist so ein voll-manuelles Teil und
duerfte Baugleich mit einem Kindermann Super 66 sein, aber letzteren
habe ich nur einmal auf ein Bildchen bei Ebay gesehen, also ganz sicher
bin ich mir da nicht.

Das Patrinast soll wohl nicht so gut sein (3 Linser??). Meine
Ueberlegung ist nun: waere es nicht moeglich ein Rollei-Heidosmat
(2.8/150 oder 3.5/150) an den Liesegang zu adaptieren bzw der Liesegang
an so einem Heidosmat anzupassen. Die Heidosmat Objektive gibt's ja
regelmaessig bei Ebay. Hat jemand dies schon mal gemacht?

Der Tubusdurchmesser des Patrinasts (etwa 53mm) ist viel geringer als
des Heidosmat (72mm oder so). Ich kann die Linsenbaugruppe aus dem Tubus
herausnehmen, das ist kein Problem. Wenn das bei so ein Heidosmat auch
geht und der Durchmesser des Linsenpakkets betraegt max 43mm, dann
koennte es ohne groesseren Aufwand 
klappen, um den Heidosmat-Linsen in den Patrinast Tubus einzusetzen. (es
kaeme dann sicherlich nur das 3.5er Heidosmat in Betracht, wegen des
Durchmessers). Hat jemand ein solches Objektiv herumliegen und kann der
mich mal aufschlauen ueber wie das zusammengebaut ist? Vielleicht passt
es ja... :-).


Viele Gruesse,

Joost











Subject: Re: [F] superheller Dia-Projektor
From: "Jörn G. Steinmann" 
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 21:00:26 +0200
Newsgroups: de.rec.fotografie

Peter Schuster schrieb:

> Google ist noch schlechter als mein Gedächtnis... ich suche einen
> superhellen Diaprojektor. 

http://www.pani.com
http://www.revolux.com

- Hell genug?

js

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High-power 0-110/250v dimmers:

http://www.delta-elektronika.nl/sm6000.htm

http://www.zubehoer-fuer-computer.de/co-Elektronik-Bauelemente-Passive-Bauelemente-Transformatoren-Trafos-Zubehoer.htm













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Forum: DCForumID6
Beitrag Nummer: 20
[ zurück ] Original Beitrag"Großformat-Projektion 6 x12 cm bis 18x18 cm"
geschrieben von Administrator am 12-Okt-2003 um 21:15 Uhr
Ich möchte diesen Eintrag eröffnen, um Informationen zum Thema Großdia-Projektion zu sammeln.

Noblex in Dresden haben einen Projektor für 6x12 gebaut, aber wohl nur in wenigen Exemplaren. 
Fotos habe ich noch keine gesehen. Angeblich soll irgendwann wieder geliefert werden. 
Ein Händler hat die Projektoren in seiner Liste. Der Preis liegt bei über 10.000 Euro.

Ebenfalls sehr teuer sind Bühnenprojektoren (10.000 bis 30.000 Euro). 
Es gibt sogar Geräte mit Karusselwechsler.

Eine der preiswertesten Möglichkeiten ist wohl das Leitz Diaskop. 
Hierzu kann ich Prospekt liefern.

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/diaskop.htm



* RE: Großformat-Projektion 6 x12 cm bis 18x18 cm,Administrator, 18:43 Uhr, 13-Okt-2003

Beiträge in dieser Diskussion "RE: Großformat-Projektion 6 x12 cm bis 18x18 cm"
geschrieben von Administrator am 13-Okt-2003 um 18:43 Uhr
Auf Anfrage nach dem Großformat-Projektor Noblux erhielt ich von Fa. Noblex folgende Antwort:

Die unverbindliche Preisempfehlung für unsere Händler lag 1998 zwischen 4150 DM und 4250 DM.
Im Jahr 2000 haben wir letzte Restbestände an die Firma
Foto Jeschner GmbH
Wolfsschlucht 13
34117 Kassel
Tel.: 05 61/1 24 84
Fax: 05 61/1 64 99
verkauft. Ob der Projektor dort (oder an anderer Stelle) jedoch noch vorrätig ist, können wir
aber nicht sagen.
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US$3000 in 1994, including 280mm/f4.0


Noblux & Bildbandfuehrung B70:

http://www.grossformatfotografie.de/viewtopic.php?t=2831







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