Date sent: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:45:38 -0500 From: Tony Berke Organization: Perkins Hill Engineering To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Scan-Digest V98 #24 Send reply to: scan@leben.com > Btw, I recently saw two old scanners mentioned, the original Polaroid > 35, 12-bit, and the (also discontinued) MicroTek 45t. > Does anyone have more info on these devices, like resolution and > bit-depth/Dmax? Does this Polaroid take 6-frame strips? > And/or a personal opinion from (former) users? > I evaluated a large number of cheap film scanners back when the SprintScan35 first showed up... The Leaf Lumina, the MicroTek, the Coolscan, and some others. The first SprintScan I had was something like serial #000007. With some reluctance, we specified the model for use in Ilford's Printasia system, as it was the only one with close-to-decent decent performance (speed and quality) at the time. Despite our using it in our product, I must say that I think the first SprintScan model was pretty mediocre, unless you were scanning nothing but high-key transparencies. The thing had very objectionable noise artifacts in the shadows, did a generally lousy job with print film, and the OEM software was terrible. The thing performed much better with the system that I wrote, of course ;-) More recent versions of the Sprintscan, and its software, are vastly better... almost useful, even. As to the MicroTek 35t, I found it to be slow and also pretty unimpressive. I didn't spend much time with the 45t, but my first impressions were similar. If I want slow, I use a Leaf45; at least it's worth the wait! -- Tony Berke Perkins Hill Engineering From: "Eric Fulmer" To: Subject: Re: The Big Scanner Lie, does anyone care? Date sent: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:54:11 -0400 Send reply to: scan@leben.com << I'm troubled by my perception that no one cares or holds scanner manufacturers accountable for their false advertising... I would like to publicly announce these specification for dynamic range are totally false! I wonder if anyone cares. >> Yes, there are others who care... Particularly those of us who struggle with the same issue you do: explaining why "specs" can't be used to buy very complicated products, even if those "specs" were correct (which, as you point out, they often aren't). The bottom line is that I don't know what action can be taken to curb the "specsmanship" problem at the manufacturer level... << There was one notable stand out CCD scanner and that is the Imacon Flextight II (made in Denmark). It has a real optical resolution of 4000 dpi (advertised for 5600 dpi) and a Dmax of 3.7 (advertised for 4.1). Its price is $16,950. In scanners there is no free lunch. >> A couple of points regarding the Imacon FlexTight Precision II. Although the "II" model has a CCD capable of scanning at 5600 dpi optical, the ColorFlex software bundled with it was not updated to support beyond 4800 optical until (literally) yesterday. You were probably scanning at 4800 dpi optical and reading an "actual" result of 4000 dpi. I also agree that advertising a 4.1 density rating is not only misleading, it makes anyone who understands density immediately question the company's character. However, the scanner does do a great job compared to other CCD products, and it seems the logical replacement for the aging Leaf 45. << With the drum scanner prices coming down, a HOWTEK 4500 is now $18.900 at AZTEK Imaging. There just isn't any comparable price performance to these drum scanners... The Howtek scanners were the only ones tested that meet their specifications.>> I think anyone that is knowledgeable abut imaging understands that flatbeds (and other CCD implementations) still can't touch drum scanners for resolution and density. However, we all know that customer applications vary widely and their workflow, software requirements, scanning volume and variety of subject matter all must be taken into consideration. Even though a drum may be the only product that lives up to it's specs, that doesn't mean it's the best solution for everyone. Eric Fulmer Sales Manager- Southeast Region Professional Graphics Systems & Services Inc. phone: 919-481-4441 email: eric@prographics.com website: www.prographics.com Date sent: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:19:17 -0700 From: Phil lippincott Organization: AZTEK Imaging To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: The Big Scanner Lie, does anyone care? Send reply to: scan@leben.com Eric Fulmer wrote: > > > > A couple of points regarding the Imacon FlexTight Precision II. Although > the "II" model has a CCD capable of scanning at 5600 dpi optical, the > ColorFlex software bundled with it was not updated to support beyond 4800 > optical until (literally) yesterday. You were probably scanning at 4800 dpi > optical and reading an "actual" result of 4000 dpi. I also agree that > advertising a 4.1 density rating is not only misleading, it makes anyone who > understands density immediately question the company's character. However, the > scanner does do a great job compared to other CCD products, and it seems the > logical replacement for the aging Leaf 45. > Hi Eric ' I agree the Imacon Flextight II is a great CCD scanner. Also I agree it's price performance knocks the socks off almost all the CCD competition. Yet the optical resolution of the advertised 5600 dpi (8000 element CCD with Rodenstock lens) is actually 4000 dpi optical; and the density range is Status A density between .13 and 2.7 Not the advertised 4.1 dynamic density range. No other tested CCD scanner has done better yet. Back on my soap box this is over 25% less dynamic range and less real optical resolution than a drum scanner which only cost 12% more. Phil Lippincott AZTEK IMaging www.aztek.net Subject: Info on Leafscan 45 Date sent: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:21:22 -0700 From: Rick Boden To: Send reply to: scan@leben.com I need a little help setting up a SCSI version Leafscan 45. I don't have a manual and I have no idea how to set the dipswitches and how to read the status lights. If anyone can help, can you please contact me at blfoto@telusplanet.net Thanks, Rick Subject: Leafscan users? Date sent: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:53:16 -0000 From: Rick Boden To: Send reply to: scan@leben.com If there are any Leafscan owners on this list who would be interested in sharing information, please contact me at blfoto@telusplanet.net Thanks, Rick ==================================================================== Please trim all extra quoted text. Thank you very much. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. ==================================================================== Subject: Re: Leafscan users? Date sent: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:37:59 -0000 From: Rick Boden To: Send reply to: scan@leben.com Phil lippincott wrote > I think we all would be interested to >know how the old Leafscan products >compare to the new scanners. I'm asked >this question often, but I have no >personal experience with them. If >someone out there has bench marked a >Leafscan please let us all know about Hi Phil, I purchased a used Leafscan 45. It was in rough shape but I have been fiddling with it and I am now getting some pretty good scans. Not quite as good as drumscans I have been getting, but extremely close. Really the best scans I have seen from a CCD filmscanner, but I do have limited experience. If you can tell me what I have to do to create benchmark figures for this scanner, I will happily do so and post them here. The reason for my question is that I wanted to set up a Leafscaner owner mailing list. I am also working on a film scanner testing web page, slightly different than Tony Sleep's page. I will be putting files scanned by various filmscanners along with a drumscanner for reference. I will certainly put up the Leaf's scans. Rick ==================================================================== Please trim all extra quoted text. Thank you very much. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. ==================================================================== Date sent: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 08:58:45 -0800 From: Phil lippincott Organization: AZTEK Imaging To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Leafscan users? Send reply to: scan@leben.com Rick Boden wrote: > > Phil lippincott wrote > > > I think we all would be interested to > >know how the old Leafscan products > >compare to the new scanners. I'm asked > >this question often, but I have no > >personal experience with them. If > >someone out there has bench marked a > >Leafscan please let us all know about > > Hi Phil, > > I purchased a used Leafscan 45. It was in rough shape but I have been > fiddling with it and I am now getting some pretty good scans. Not quite > as good as drumscans I have been getting, but extremely close. > > I am also working on a film scanner testing web page, slightly different > than Tony Sleep's page. I will be putting files scanned by various > filmscanners along with a drumscanner for reference. I will certainly > put up the Leaf's scans. > > Rick Rick I contributed to Tony's web site. He has drum scans from the AZTEK Digital PhotoLab and Howtek scanner along side Nikon and other film scanners. The tests are all of the Kodak IT8 Q60. The IT8 tells something about color accuracy, but nothing relative to resolution and real density Dynamic range. The IT8 target omits all densities between 2.7 and 3.7 for instance. It also presents no direct way to see optical resolution other than large format scanning which is very subjective. I am hoping that the PMA Photo Marketing Association people will allow me to speak at the annual conference to show my testing results. They tell me that they are not sure anyone in the photo industry is interested. I also plan to put the testing results up at the aztek.net web site. Yet i don't want to do this until my testing is more complete and determined if the national PMA in Las Vegas conference will let the paper be given. If you or anyone else in this forum is a photography professional who would be interested in such a paper please Email PMA today. They are going to make their decision tomorrow or tuesday. Their site is pmai.org Best Regards Phil Lippincott ==================================================================== Please trim all extra quoted text. Thank you very much. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. ==================================================================== Subject: Re: Leafscan users? Date sent: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 11:51:57 -0000 From: Rick Boden To: Send reply to: scan@leben.com Phil lippincott wrote > I contributed to Tony's web site. He >has drum scans from the AZTEK Digital >PhotoLab and Howtek scanner along side >Nikon and other film scanners. The tests >are all of the Kodak IT8 Q60. The IT8 >tells something about color accuracy, >but nothing relative to resolution and >real density Dynamic range. The IT8 >target omits all densities between 2.7 >and 3.7 for instance. It also presents >no direct way to see optical resolution >other than large format scanning which >is very subjective. That is interesting, Phil. My test will be to take a transparency that I already had drumscanned at 2700dpi and 1000dpi and scan it on various film scanners, trying to match the density of the drumscan and get maxium sharpness. I will then put a <1 meg crop of each scan on the web page which can be downloaded and inspected. Not a very scientific test, but I have been in touch with Tony and he said there was great demand for this sort of information. We will probably share links. > I am hoping that the PMA Photo >Marketing Association people will allow >me to speak at the annual conference to >show my testing results. I am on a few photography mailing lists and I see tons of scanner questions. I will send an email to PMA as I see a great need for information on this subject. Do you mind if I place your last paragraph on the PhotoDigital mailing list in order to garner more support? Rick ==================================================================== Please trim all extra quoted text. Thank you very much. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. ==================================================================== From: Grdglass@aol.com Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:11:18 EST To: scan@leben.com Subject: Leafscan 45 Send reply to: scan@leben.com I am interested in adapting the old Leafscan 45 to the IBM platform. 1. Can it be done? 2. How would it be accomplished? 3. Am I just asking for headaches by going this route? 4. What software plug-in would I use on a PC for Photoshop? 5. What does the Imacon Flextite have that the Leafscan does not, besides the big price difference? 6. Has anyone heard of a new, and cheaper Imacon coming out for only 35mm and medium format? Thank you. From: "Andrew Adams" To: Subject: Leaf 45 film scanner Date sent: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:05:30 -0600 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Hi, I just purchased a used leaf 45 scanner. It is slated to arrive at end of week. If anyone is well versed in use of this scanner please let me know any tricks for calibrating light source, and general setup after shipping. Also, I use a PC system and this scanner comes with a Mac 8100 & GPIB card. Does anyone know where such a card can be had for the PC? Also what scanning software will work with the Leaf on a PC system. Thanks in advance, Andrew Adams -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "ellery" To: Subject: Re: Leaf 45 film scanner Date sent: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:32:51 +0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Adams > >Hi, I just purchased a used leaf 45 scanner. It is slated to arrive at end >of week. > >If anyone is well versed in use of this scanner please let me know any >tricks for calibrating light source, and general setup after shipping. > >Also, I use a PC system and this scanner comes with a Mac 8100 & GPIB card. >Does anyone know where such a card can be had for the PC? Also what scanning >software will work with the Leaf on a PC system. > > >Thanks in advance, Andrew Adams Check with Phil but I do recall this is a Mac only device ie the software that is avialable for it th e drivers and like are written for only a Mac. Leaf has since been taken over by Sictex (this look mis spelt but I do not have the correct spelling on hand). The Mac8100 is this a Mac computer then the way out would be a simple ALN -via ethernet. From: "Andrew Adams" To: Subject: Leaf 45 FS Date sent: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:38:11 -0500 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Hi everyone! I have a Leaf 45 GPIB version for sale. Comes with 8 or 9 carriers, software, and I have a nice wood shipping crate for safe delivery. This version will work on a PC or a MAC, you must get the GPIB card (I believe AZTEC had them for $220) or from www.nationalinstruments.com I will take best offer over $4k plus shipping, else it will go on e-bay. here are sample scans from this unit: http://www.frontiernet.net/~adamspho/leaf45.htm these are 72 dpi crops from 68mb (4x5) and 105 mb (6x7) scans in photoshop. I have detail images cropped from 100% to show fine detail this scanner is capable of scanning. Thanks, Andrew Adams - Adams Photo -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Arthur Entlich To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Leaf 45 FS Send reply to: scan@leben.com On Sat, 10 Apr 1999, Andrew Adams wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I have a Leaf 45 GPIB version for sale. Comes with 8 or 9 carriers, > software, and I have a nice wood shipping crate for safe delivery. > > This version will work on a PC or a MAC, you must get the GPIB card (I > believe AZTEC had them for $220) or from www.nationalinstruments.com > > I will take best offer over $4k plus shipping, else it will go on e-bay. > > > here are sample scans from this unit: > > http://www.frontiernet.net/~adamspho/leaf45.htm > > these are 72 dpi crops from 68mb (4x5) and 105 mb (6x7) scans in photoshop. I > have detail images cropped from 100% to show fine detail this scanner is > capable of scanning. > > > Thanks, Andrew Adams - Adams Photo > The Leaf 45 is a nice scanner, and there have been a few on e-bay recently. Unfortunately, the ones I was tracking there never even got an opening bid at $4000. The problem might be that most e-bay bidders are not looking for highly sophisticated upper end product. Art -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:36:31 -0700 To: scan@leben.com From: "Louis J. Brazil" Subject: Re: Leaf 45 FS Send reply to: scan@leben.com >On Sat, 10 Apr 1999, Andrew Adams wrote: > >> I have a Leaf 45 GPIB version for sale. Comes with 8 or 9 carriers, >> software, and I have a nice wood shipping crate for safe delivery. >> >> This version will work on a PC or a MAC, you must get the GPIB card (I >> believe AZTEC had them for $220) or from www.nationalinstruments.com >> >> I will take best offer over $4k plus shipping, else it will go on e-bay. > > >The Leaf 45 is a nice scanner, and there have been a few on e-bay >recently. Unfortunately, the ones I was tracking there never even got an >opening bid at $4000. The problem might be that most e-bay bidders are >not looking for highly sophisticated upper end product. The other problem is while the unit produces great quality, it's EXTREMELY slow compared to newer models on the market and the GPIB interface has been a problem with PCI Macs. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "Andrew Adams" To: Subject: Re: Leaf 45 FS Date sent: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:12:38 -0500 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Jeez, I put a great scanner up for sale & I get bashed... I'm running away now... hehe But seriously, tell me of a scanner under $10,000 that does as good a job for someone who doesn't need ultimate speed??? Plus, for portrait photographers doing negatives, you can set exposures to minimum, 16ms/line, with no loss in quality in negative materials due too lower dmax of negative film (even at minimum exposure the unit gets over 3.3 dmax) neg films rarely reach 2.8 dmax. I bought (2) used units, I thought they were going to be ridiculously slow, they weren't, so now I'm selling one. I have one running on win98 with an old gpib card. Once set up no problems at all. I can turn on the scanner at any time, let it warm up & it is always recognized. Not to mention that the software is MUCH better than a lot of the crap out with some of the newer scanners (they don't handle negs well at all!) I just had to pull out some group performance pictures on stage. I scanned in majorly cropped 35mm frames and was able to get 50 mb files from 400 speed 35mm fuji that I can now edit to make better prints than I could have straight from the film. If you have over 9 or $10k to spend, go for a better unit.. else put up or shut up :) hehe Plus doesn't the new imacon flextight not go up to 4x5, people have complained about the PC software, and it only does 3200 dpi. Leaf 45 will do over 5080 dpi on 35mm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 01:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Arthur Entlich To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Leaf 45 FS Send reply to: scan@leben.com I want to make it clear that I am not bashing Andrew concerning his sale of the Leaf scanner in amy manner, if he was implying I had. My only comment was in my recent following of E-Bay I did not see any bids of the price range he was asking, and suggested that it might be that people are uncomfortable with making $4K transactions through e-bay. I have since been told there have been sales on e-bay in the past (I did not check past transactions) for over $4K for this scanner. Some people are obviously a lot more trusting than I. I got "had" on a $150 laptop once, and even a small purchase like that really upset me. Just so I am not further misconstrued... I am not suggesting Andrew's scanner has anything wrong with it. ;-) The Leaf 45 was a very nice scanner, and I used to drool over the ads. For now, I've decided to be happy with the 35mm scans, and wait for something a little softer in price to come along for my medium format stuff. Art -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Tue, 06 Apr 99 16:14:40 -0500 From: "Bill Gillooly" To: Subject: Leaf Scanner Information Send reply to: scan@leben.com Folks, There have been a number of questions regarding Leaf scanners (Leaf35 and Leaf45) here recently. I wanted to get everyone who owns and uses a Leaf scanner the most current information regarding software and support. Leaf scanners are no longer manufactured by Scitex, but are fully supported with both telephone support and hardware repair available. Anyone who has a Leaf scanner and is having problems with it can call the Scitex Response Center (800-800-2500 ) to get support. The Leaf scanners work on all known Macs (with Nubus or PCI) (even the new G-3's). For use on the PC, you will need a GPIB interface. GPIB boards are available directly from National Instruments (800-433-3488 ) or their dealers. The PCI GPIB works fine too. The latest Mac software (LeafScan Photoshop Plugin v2.2) is available from the Scitex Web-Site ( http://www.scitex.com or more directly http://www.scitex.com/supp/leaf/index.htm). The latest PC software (WindowsLeafscan v1.1) is available from the Scitex Response Center at a cost of $295 (ask for part number 80327). This is a stand alone scanner driver, not a plugin but it will work with Win 3.1, 95, 98, and NT. Scitex FinalTouch automatic dust and scratch removal software is available through Source Scitex ( 800-929-9209 ). Currently Scitex is running a trade-in program for owners of of Leaf scanners, either version can be traded-in for a discount when purchasing a Scitex EverSmart, EverSmart Pro or EverSmart Supreme scanner. Scitex even has used Leaf scanners available from time-to-time. If you are interested in any Scitex product you can get more information by calling us ( 800-685-9462 ) or via e-mail ( marketing@sta.scitex.com ). Bill Gillooly Product Marketing Manager Input Systems Scitex America 8 Oak Park Drive Bedford, MA 01730-1473 bill_gillooly@sta.scitex.com 781-280-7508 781-275-5649 FAX -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "Andrew Adams" To: Subject: Re: 'Raw' scans/ leaf 45 scanner pc Date sent: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:26:26 -0500 Send reply to: scan@leben.com . >If I'm understanding this, I assume it is a 6000 x 6000 pixel CCD for >capture. At 4" x 5" that would translate to a 1200 dpi scan in the 5" >direction. Obviously smaller images might scan at a higher resolution. >Does this make sence from your understanding of the scanner. The promo >materials are somewhat vague, and so I am wondering what this 6000 element >Loral CCD means. The leaf scanner has these specs:: 35mm portrait : 5080x7400 pixels 113 mb 35mm landscape 4000x2790 32 mb 6x645 6000x4500 81mb 6x6 6000x6000 103mb 6x7 6000x7000 126mb 4x5 portrait 4740x4740 67mb* 4x5 landscape 6000x4740 82 mb * slight crop 4x5 portrait: just scan in landscape then rotate :) From: "Andrew Adams" To: Subject: Re: Leafscan 45 scan speed Date sent: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:53:34 -0500 Send reply to: scan@leben.com >what is the scan speed for the Learscan 45 -- highest res, each format? Hi ! Here as resolutions: 35mm portrait : 5080x7400 pixels 113 mb 35mm landscape 4000x2790 32 mb 6x645 6000x4500 81mb 6x6 6000x6000 103mb 6x7 6000x7000 126mb 4x5 portrait 4740x4740 67mb* 4x5 landscape 6000x4740 82 mb * slight crop 4x5 portrait: just scan in landscape then rotate :) Scan speeds are only a couple minutes for say 30 meg files. If you are scanning negs you can turn the exposure from optimum (dmax 3.8) to minimum (dmax 3.2) and double your scanning speeds without any loss of quality (because negs have less dmax requirement) . It is slower than a one pass flatbed. BUT the quality RAW without any sharpening is far superior to any flatbed IMHO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Tue, 11 May 99 11:42:00 -0500 From: "Bill Gillooly" To: Subject: RE: Leafscan 45 scan speed Send reply to: scan@leben.com ---------- From: at INTERNET > To any leafscan users: > > what is the scan speed for the Learscan 45 -- highest res, each format? > > Thanks. > > Jim K The rated speed for the Leaf45 is 5 scans per hour. I'm not sure what the exact benchmark specifications were that produced that figure. The Leaf45 has a reputation for quality, not speed! Bill Gillooly Product Marketing Manager Scitex America -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:39:01 -0700 From: johnp@octel.com (John Pham) To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Howtech 4500 Drum Vs Imacon PRII Send reply to: scan@leben.com From: Mark Romine Organization: MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY !There is a CCD Scanner out there that does capture true 16 bit data, but I can !not think of it's name now. It is a three pass scanner, thus very slow, each !pass using a different filter to capture each of the three colors RG&B. And it !does a better job in the three quarter tones and shadows than the FlexTight. !But the software is not as good and it is much slower than the Flextight, but !the end result is a better scan. Maybe one of the other readers will remember !the name of this scanner. It sits upright on a table top much like the !FlexTight. Must be the leaf scanner. My 35mm leaf scanner has a R,G,B filter and yep, it is slllllooooww, the lens sit upright. Now if Scitex makes a decent SCSI drivers for NT... I be happy John -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:52:52 +0000 From: Mark Romine Organization: MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Howtech 4500 Drum Vs Imacon PRII Send reply to: scan@leben.com Thank you John, that is it, the Leaf Scanner, my mind went totally blank last night and I could not come up with it for the life of me. Mark Date sent: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:36:02 -0800 From: Larry Chalal To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: med format scanners Send reply to: scan@leben.com "Donald J. De Geller" wrote: > Dave King wrote: > > > Donald, > > > > Your question is exactly in line with my quest for info about the Umax > > Powerlook III. I've been hearing that it's quality is right on par with the > > three you mention, but for the significantly lower price of $1150 (at B&H > > photo in NYC). What I know: it scans true 1200 dpi optical res, comes with > > a transparency lid, SCSSI card, film templates, and Binuscan software. > > Dave > This is the question you should address: If you took the same picture > using > 35 mm and than scanned it on a good 35 mm scanner and compared the image with > a 120 transparency scanned on the powerlook III would you be satisfied. > Our ultimate frustration is that if the LS-2000 or its equilivlent > produces > better end scans using 35 mm than a 120 scanner from 120 film there is little > or no point in using the larger format film. > What bothers me about the Umax Powerlook III is that it appears to be > primarily a reflective scanner, and probably a super good one at that, but the > ability to scan transparencies appears to be an add on. I question that you > can get the quality of scans you may want when you must lay the film on a > glass plate and than cover it with the top light. Scanners like the agfa and > the Microtek while being a flatbed have a totally different scanning system > for transparencies in which no glass is necessary. > I have the microtek 4 scanner and even with this transparency dedicated > system using the glass less carrier, while I can get marginally usable scans, > I can not get the scan quality from my super sharp 6x9s that I can get from an > ordinary 35 mm transparency using the ls-2000. Also note the microtek 4 has > means to use a glass plate for transparency scans and when used the scans are > quite inferior to the scans using glassless carriers. > Scanning 120s, particularly negatives, is complicated by the fact, unlike > 35 > mm, that there are no standard films and the films out there are designed for > different uses, and therefor are different in color, contrast, and resolution. > For this reason unless large and correct corrections are made in the scanner > software, photoshop etc. will not be able to handle it. > I believe for your use and I know for my use, a scanner that produces the > quality equal to a scanner like the LS-2000 is required. > > I would love to hear from anyone who can compare the results from Minolta > Scan Multi, Microtek 5, Agfa Duoscan solo, or Umax Powerlook III with the > results of a 35 mm scanner. > In this respect I can say that the Microtek 4 is not good enough to > justify > using 120 film if the image is to be used for scanning uses, although it is > great for archive 120 transparances where quality is not the primary concern. > I sure would like to hear about the rest because with all its problems the 120 > produces outstanding quality in the film itself that when transferred > correctly to scans is something else > > Don Donald; There are 2 options you can consider. Unfortunately both are somewhat painful. The Scitex Eversmart flatbed line does a superb job with medium chromes despite having to scan through glass. Unfortunately as with everything Scitex it is expensive unless you can find a used one of which there are many floating around. The other option is to look for a used Leaf 4x5 scanner. It offer true optical resolution to 5600DPI and can be picked up quite reasonably. While it excels for medium format it does fall down ever so slightly for 35mm. Unless there is no other option I would avoid looking at any of the Microtek, Umax, etc. options. While they are fine for reflectives they simply can't cut it for chromes. What you have are manufacturers trying to maximize their products; unfortunately they come up short. Ideally your best bet is perhaps a mini or table top drum scanner and there are some good ones but you didn't indicate if you wanted to go that way. Larry Chalal Usable Stock Images -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: ellery@pacific.net.sg (ellery) To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: How to Buy a Used Drum Scanner Date sent: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:16:29 GMT Send reply to: scan@leben.com On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:33:28 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Group: > >I am looking for some input by anyone who has experience or any thoughts >on buying a used drum scanner. Ok since you did not give your budget range - and I take it that throughput is not going to be a major issue. One non drum but extremely good performer for 4x5 and good for 35 mm would be the Leaf45. This has the advantage that it uses bessler 45 negative carrier and with some careful dusting will be faster to mount and dismount than drum with the oils. Price for these are about US$4 to 8 thousand the higher price being those that are factory refurbuished. ellery chua Ace Cor Enterprise Pte Ltd Your friendly producer of customised mouse pads,coasters & fridge magnets. See our range at our website http://web.singnet.com.sg/~acecor -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Thu, 29 Jul 99 12:47:00 -0500 From: "Bill Gillooly" To: Subject: RE: How to Buy a Used Drum Scanner Send reply to: scan@leben.com It was written: Thanks for the suggestion but I personally think that the Leaf 45 sucks. My Imacon dealer owns one and we have done some serious side by side comparisons of the Leaf 45 and the Imacon. It does a fairly decent job in the three quarter tone area (better than my Imacon FlexTight but not as good as I need) and good color fidelity. It has a major problem with flare and I can not use scans from it in my work. The Leaf is 10 year old technology and used, costs less than half the price of the Imacon. Good value for the money! Bill -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "Eric Fulmer" To: Subject: Re: Leafscan 45: PC Software ???? Date sent: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:50:47 -0400 Send reply to: scan@leben.com >You need more than just the software- which can be bought from Scitex >- there is also a need for an interface card. I'll have to check old >mail for details but you could contact Scitex - they will point you to >the right places - my info came from them. Contact Scitex at: 800-800-2500 They key LeafScan guy is Rick Adshead. Eric Fulmer Regional Sales Manager Professional Graphics Systems & Services, Inc. e-mail: eric@prographics.com web: http://www.prographics.com *** Specializing in color managed digital imaging systems *** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "Andrew Cassino @ Hewlett-Packard" To: "Scan@Leben. Com" Subject: Re: Leafscan 45: PC Software ???? Date sent: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:42:39 -0700 Send reply to: scan@leben.com >Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:57:15 GMT >From: ellery@pacific.net.sg (ellery) >Subject: Re: Leafscan 45: PC Software ???? > >You need more than just the software- which can be >bought from Scitex- - there is also a need for an >interface card. I'll have to check old mail for >details but you could contact Scitex - they will >point you to the right places - my info came from them. Specifically, what is needed is a GPIB card such as the National Instruments AT-GPIB or PCI-GPIB. I use the former with my Leafscan45 and Win98. They cost $495 new and much less used. You can download the drivers from www.ni.com if you get a used one. There are some other manufacturers with less costly cards available (sorry I don't recall the names of the companies but at one time I found them on the web). The trick, in any event, is locating a used card. I was lucky and found one in a junk pile and got it for free. :) They show up on Ebay, too. Sorry I don't have a spare copy of the Lefscan software -- I use mine! :) It can be purchased from Scitex. Andrew Cassino andrew_cassino@hp.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "Gary Sellani" To: Subject: RE: Leafscan 45: PC Software ???? Date sent: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:13:26 -0700 Send reply to: scan@leben.com FYI, you can get National Instrument GPIB boards on Ebay or at electronics fleamarkets. The ISA boards go for around $20 to $30 at the flea market. PCI boards are much more expensive. Check the National Instruments website http://www.ni.com/ for trade in information. A the right national instruments board (dead or alive) can save you a few hundred dollars as it has a trade in value. Date sent: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:18:59 -0700 From: "Phil.Lippincott" Organization: AZTEK Imaging To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Scanner Recommendations Send reply to: scan@leben.com > It seems the answer to your needs isn't a scanner but a digital > camera. Two I'm familiar with come to mind. > > One is the Satellite from ZBE, makers of high end commercial photo > enlargers. The Satellite is a marriage of a Dicomed scanning back > with a very large and robust enlarger. It will capture anything from > 35mm originals to 4' x 6' flat or 3D originals. Very impressive. > > The other digital camera that comes to mind is the Volare from > Leaf/Scitex. Combined with a Sinar view camera, SinarCam > filter/shutter unit and Sinar digital optimized lenses it produces > the sharpest images I've ever seen. I think the quality that can be > achieved is at least as good as the best scan on the best drum > scanner of the best 4x5 transparency. Using the Leaf ColorShop > software to scale the captures you can scale to poster size from the > original 36 MB 16 bit capture file with quality as good or better > than the aforementioned drum scan. > > Oz Wille > Director of Technical Resources > Lasergraphics > Lawrence, KS > Wolf Photography > Kansas City Hi Oz Your comments surprise me regarding the oversight of the fact that the minimum analog optical resolution of quality of a good 4x5 (Ektachrome, Provia, RSX, etc.) is the equivalent in 24 bit Tiff terms of 640 mega bytes. Some of my clients frankly are using 4x5s to print to giant mural sizes 25 to 80 foot long. When they do they scan at up to 8000 dpi optical drum scans with their Digital PhotoLab scan systems. This will create up to a 2,500 mega byte data stream direct to print from the 4x5 to a Durst Lambda for instance. With all due respect even though the Dicomed and Solar are great products they fall very short of "real film". I believe like so many people you have under estimated the quality of analog film, and over estimated computers. In this example the digital camera backs / digital cameras. We are still years away from being able to sample with any digital camera back either the available resolution or density range of professional films. For many applications where the quality of the film resolution and density response in shadow and highlight detail are not so important then digital cameras will gain more and more acceptance. Best Regards Phil Lippincott AZTEK -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "David Freedman" To: Subject: Slightly off topic: Where to buy GPIB card for use with Leaf 45... Date sent: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:26:37 -0400 Send reply to: scan@leben.com I'm in the process (I think) of buying a gently used Leafscan 45 film scanner. Alas, for PC users, a GPIB interface card must be installed in the computer. New ones are quite expensive and used ones are running around $220 or so on eBay. Hence, does anyone on the list know of an alternate source for reasonably priced (alright, I mean cheap) National Instruments TNT GPIB cards ?? While I'm at it, are there any Leaf 45 users on the list who would like to identify themselves? Thanks in advance for any info, Dave F. From: "Gary Sellani" To: Subject: RE: Slightly off topic: Where to buy GPIB card for use with Leaf 45... Date sent: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:08:57 -0700 Send reply to: scan@leben.com I own real test equipment that uses HPIB and I would love to get a cheap National PCI card myself. If you can use the old ISA cards, you are in luck. They are $20 at local electronics flea markets. [At least that is what I paid for mine.] If you need PCI, you should check out the Nasty Instruments upgrade program. Certain cards can be upgraded for half the price of new. For example, if a new card is $500 and a card (dead or alive) that qualifies is $20, you end up getting a new card and all the manuals (which you don't need) for $270. The manuals could be sold on ebay. Lots of people pick up used PCI cards and download the software from Nasty Instruments, but would love to have a set of manuals. I've seen the used PCI cards go for around $160 on ebay. Keep searching and bid on one that looks like a good deal even if you don't have the Leaf in hand. You can always resell the card as there is a large test equipment market that wants GPIB cards. If you are serious about getting a TNT card, I can check with my posse to see if someone wants to sell you one. [In silicon valley, about a quarter of the people I know have National cards.] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. Date sent: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:23:26 -0700 From: Arthur Entlich To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Slightly off topic: Where to buy GPIB card for use with Leaf 45... Send reply to: scan@leben.com Gary Sellani wrote: > I own real test equipment that uses HPIB and I would love to get a cheap > National PCI card myself. If you can use the old ISA cards, you are in > luck. They are $20 at local electronics flea markets. [At least that is > what I paid for mine.] If you need PCI, you should check out the Nasty > Instruments upgrade program. Thanks for this great info. I will keep it on file. As an aside, I think some Leaf scanners came with SCSI interfaces. I don't know if this was an option or built in on later units. If it is an option, it is possible the upgrade is still available. What is it about GPIB interfacing that it was so used in scanners and such? Is it superior to SCSI/SCSI II, or was it pre-SCSI? Art -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "Gary Sellani" To: Subject: RE: Slightly off topic: Where to buy GPIB card for use with Leaf 45... Date sent: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:02:33 -0700 Send reply to: scan@leben.com -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Entlich Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:23 PM > Thanks for this great info. I will keep it on file. > > As an aside, I think some Leaf scanners came with SCSI interfaces. I don't > know if this was an option or built in on later units. If it is an option, > it is possible the upgrade is still available. > > What is it about GPIB interfacing that it was so used in scanners and such? > Is it superior to SCSI/SCSI II, or was it pre-SCSI? > > Art GPIB is a very old and slow standard. It was designed for electronics test equipment. It started out as HPIB, aka Hewlett Packard Interface Bus. All modern test equipment has GPIB ports. Nasty Instruments some how has ended up as the masters of the interface card. If you remember the Mars Explorer, the instruments on it were HPIB and controlled with Nasty Instruments Labview. I never knew you could get a scanner with GPIB. Incidentally, the GPIB cables are very expensive in stores, but are cheap at the electronics flea markets. They are $35 in the stores such as Fry's, but $3 to $5 at the flea market. The shorter cables go for more money. [I know this sounds wrong, but trust me, the short cables are much more valuable to the test equipment users.] The oldest piece of test equipment I have that has GPIB is 25 years old. [It is a frequency counter that cost me the outrageous sum of $300, but that is much better than the $19000 it cost when it was new.] Back then, it wasn't even called GPIB or HPIB, but just Digital Interface. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Please do your part: Stay on topic. Trim quoted messages. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions on using this list. From: "David Freedman" To: Subject: Any Leafscan 45 users on the list ?? Date sent: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:42:34 -0500 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Well, I finally managed to get a Leafscan 45 of my own. At the moment, it's sitting in the garage, still boxed up on its shipping pallet. Before I can use it, I have interfacing (and software) issues to deal with and it's here that I need the help of the list: I'm a PC user and as such, I need to use the GPIB interface on the scanner. Unfortunately, this means I also need a GPIB interface card for my computer. Here's the question: Does it matter which GPIB card I buy? I see several flavors of National Instrument GPIB cards popping up on eBay (ISA, PCI, TNT+, PCMCIA). Assuming I have the proper slot available, can I use any of these? The PCMCIA solution seems particularly appealing. Any problem with that approach? Any advice/guidance would be most gratefully received. Thanks all, Dave F. From: "Gary Sellani" To: Subject: RE: Any Leafscan 45 users on the list ?? Date sent: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:24:40 -0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com I can't comment on which card will work, but you may want to investigate the National Instruments web page on their upgrade policies. Generally, if you have the right card (dead or alive), it will get you half off the upgrade card. National ISA cards generally run $20 at electronics swap meets. [If you are near Livermore CA I can send you directions on where the meet is going to be held this Sunday.] Note that ISA will be eventually eliminated from modern PCs, which is why those cards are nearly free. [There are motherboards out now with no ISA on them.] PCI is probably the best choice. If you go with PCMCIA, you should investigate how PCMCIA differs from CARDBUS. National also has a neat USB to GPIB adapter. The goal is to get a card that will outlive your next computer, or as many computers as you believe you will be using the Leafscan 45 with. Subject: Re: Any Leafscan 45 users on the list ?? Date sent: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 05:57:26 -0500 From: Bill Brady To: Send reply to: scan@leben.com David Freedman Wrote: >Any advice/guidance would be most gratefully received. Howdy Dave, Use PCI. PCMIA has too many problems in implementation and ISA is obsolete. PCI is very fast and well designed to handle large volumes of data. PCI is an integral part of your computer rather than a "bridge" like PCMIA. Otherwise, I'm not familar with your scanner, except that GPIB is a very inefficient language for transferring binary raster data. If memory serves, it was designed for X-Y plotters. Wm. "Bill" Brady, Harwood MD - Cleared the garden, all but the Chard & Garlic. From: "Gary Sellani" To: Subject: RE: Any Leafscan 45 users on the list ?? Date sent: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:47:36 -0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com -----Original Message----- From:Bill Brady Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:57 AM > Otherwise, I'm not familar with your scanner, except that GPIB is a very > Inefficient language for transferring binary raster data. If memory > serves, it was designed for X-Y plotters. GPIB started out as HPIB (Hewlett Packard Interface Bus), and was used on test equipment, which would include plotters. The standard has been around for a while (I have a 30 year old piece of test equipment that uses the standard, though it was labeled "digital interface" back then.) The data transfer was not intended to be fast since test equipment generally does tens of readings per second. Incidentally, you can get the GPIB cables at computer or electronics swap meets for $2 or $3. Get the real HP cables that use metal connectors. The cables are very expensive when you get them in a "real" store due to the low volume. From: "Andrew Cassino" To: Subject: RE: Flatbed scanners for medium format negatives Date sent: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:36:49 -0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Last spring purchased a used Leaf 45. It will scan 35mm @ 5080 dpi, 120 at 2540 dpi, and 4x5 at 1200 dpi with an honest 3.7 density range. It is a three pass scanner (scans red, green and blue separately) and uses a 75mm APO Rodagon lens that easily supports these resolutions optically. It uses standard glassless Beseler negative carriers so Newton rings are not a problem. I don't scan many negatives but the orange mask seems to be backed out well by the software. The main disadvantage with this scanner is speed. A full resolution 35mm scan takes about 30 minutes and generates a more than a 100 MB files. But my scans of 645 transparencies generate clean, sharp 80 MB files with very little noise. I still don't know of anything under $10K that can do that. The second disadvantage is only 24 bit output is available. But it is pretty easy to massage my scans into very good shape with the scanning software (which is stand-alone, not TWAIN), so I have not seen much practical need for high-bit scans. I use Prove It to apply corrections to my video card's LUT, so I can make good visual corrections even though the software is stand-alone. Probably the only other issue with this machine is it requires a fairly high energy investment to get it up and running and really understand how to use it. It uses a GP-IB interface which is archaic and cryptic to set up (but works reliably under Win98) I've had a couple of maintenance issues to resolve as well. However, Scitex provides very good tech support for the machine and were very helpful in getting me through those problems. As well there are a few other folks on this list that use these scanners (who are well-pleased with them as also). I haven't been watching the sales of these machines, but last year they were going for $3-4K. The Mac software is free for the downloading while the Win software costs $295, if you don't get it with your scanner. Also a GP-IB card can be expensive ($495 from National Instruments), but there a lower cost vendors and they do come used fairly often. Andrew C. Date sent: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:25:26 -0800 From: "Phil.Lippincott" Organization: AZTEK Imaging To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Flatbed scanners for medium format negatives "Leaf Density ?" Send reply to: scan@leben.com Andrew Cassino wrote: > Last spring purchased a used Leaf 45. It will scan 35mm @ 5080 dpi, 120 > at 2540 dpi, and 4x5 at 1200 dpi with an honest 3.7 density range. It is > a three pass scanner (scans red, green and blue separately) and uses a > 75mm APO Rodagon lens that easily supports these resolutions optically. > It uses standard glassless Beseler negative carriers so Newton rings are > not a problem. I don't scan many negatives but the orange mask seems to > be backed out well by the software. > > The main disadvantage with this scanner is speed. A full resolution 35mm > scan takes about 30 minutes and generates a more than a 100 MB files. > But my scans of 645 transparencies generate clean, sharp 80 MB files > with very little noise. I still don't know of anything under $10K that > can do that. The second disadvantage is only 24 bit output is available. > But it is pretty easy to massage my scans into very good shape with the > scanning software (which is stand-alone, not TWAIN), so I have not seen > much practical need for high-bit scans. I use Prove It to apply > corrections to my video card's LUT, so I can make good visual > corrections even though the software is stand-alone. > > Probably the only other issue with this machine is it requires a fairly > high energy investment to get it up and running and really understand > how to use it. It uses a GP-IB interface which is archaic and cryptic to > set up (but works reliably under Win98) I've had a couple of maintenance > issues to resolve as well. However, Scitex provides very good tech > support for the machine and were very helpful in getting me through > those problems. As well there are a few other folks on this list that > use these scanners (who are well-pleased with them as also). > > I haven't been watching the sales of these machines, but last year they > were going for $3-4K. The Mac software is free for the downloading while > the Win software costs $295, if you don't get it with your scanner. Also > a GP-IB card can be expensive ($495 from National Instruments), but > there a lower cost vendors and they do come used fairly often. > > Andrew C. Hi Andrew, I'm real interested that you claim that the Leaf has a "an honest 3.7 density range". After testing quantities of CCD scanners with the Kodak Scanner Calibration T-34 Target Q-59, where the target clearly marks the Status A density response of the scanner. I have only seen a 3.0 density response from currently manufactured products that cost more than $40,000 in the market. I seriously question how you can make such an emphatic claim, and what your basis of testing was? Phil Lippincott www.aztek.com From: "Andrew Cassino" To: Subject: Re: Flatbed scanners for medium format negatives "Leaf Density ?" Date sent: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:24:35 -0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com > From: "Phil.Lippincott" > > I'm real interested that you claim that the Leaf has a "an honest 3.7 > density range". After testing quantities of CCD scanners with the Kodak > Scanner Calibration T-34 Target Q-59, where the target clearly marks the > Status A density response of the scanner. I have only seen a 3.0 density > response from currently manufactured products that cost more than $40,000 in > the market. > I seriously question how you can make such an emphatic claim, and what > your basis of testing was? > Phil Lippincott > www.aztek.com Phil, I assuming you are simply asking me "why do you believe the Leafscan 45 has a dynamic range of 3.7?" and are not intending to convene a panel for a scientific inquiry cum inquisition... (perhaps I should interject a few smileys here... :) :) :) ) My answer stems in part that Leaf, having been a reputable (albeit defunct) company, specified a Dmax of 3.7 in the manual for the machine, with the caveat that "optimal exposure times" are used. I believe the spec is "honest" (that is, accurate) based on my experience with the machine, which has demonstrated that the Leaf 45 can simultaneously preserve delicate highlight details and still capture the details in the deepest shadow areas of my toughest transparencies. My "toughest transparencies" are made on Fuji Velvia and have been precisely exposed so that specular highlights are recorded as Dmin of the film stock, while the darkest shadow areas are indistinguishable from unexposed film, and therefore of equal density. (This latter observation can be made with confidence in some images where the darkest shadow area coincides with the edge of the image area and no difference can be seen from the unexposed film base). According to Fuji's sensitometric data, Velvia has a dynamic range (Dmin-Dmax) of 3.7, and since the Leaf 45 seems to be able to record all the details that I can get on that film, it is reasonable to infer that Leaf's 3.7 Dmax spec is accurate -- or at least consistent with Fuji's sensitometric data. Several times I have been surpised to see that the Leaf captured shadow detail that I cannot easily see on a bright light table with a nice, contrasty Schneider loupe. And I have been pleased to see that my scans from the Leaf do not exhibit the noise artifacts in the deep shadows that I have seen generated by so many other film scanners, and this includes some of the most recent film scanners that have been discussed on this list. So, that is my long-winded answer as to why I said the Leafscan 45 has an "honest" (accurate) Dmax spec of 3.7. If you'd like to loan me a Q59 target with instructions for scanning, I'll be happy to scan it and send you back a CD with the scan. Andrew C. Date sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:29:24 -0600 From: Jerry Olson Organization: Western Echoes To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Epson Expression 1600 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Ira Beckoff wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 6:19 PM > > > Well, I've been scanning nearly all day now, on the 1600 epson scanner. > > I'm NOT happy. I can't get a sharp image to save my soul. The scanner > > just doesn't cut it. I'll probably have to return the scanner. I was SO > > hoping that this would be the one. From what I can tell, nothing short > > of 2500 DPI will do for medium format film. Even the 4x5 scans, which > > have about a 40 megabyte file size, (Black and White) just aren't that > > sharp. This scanner is a BIG disappointment. It will take forever to > > repack it, it came in about 50 pieces! Oh well, Que Sera Sera! > > > > I would like to try it with silverfast software, but am wondering if it > > would be worth it? > > > > Jerry > > Jerry, > I have been following your thread on both lists from the day you > ordered the scanner until today. Sorry to hear about your initial > disappointment. > > I notice that you have only scanned 4x5 b&w negs so far...am I > correct. > > Have you scanned any reflective art or text at 600dpi and > 1600dpi as a test of the scanner? > Have you scanned a color transparency? > Have you tried, for the hell of it to flip the film emulsion? > Have you looked for a manual control to set the focus of the > unit. Or does the transparency adapter automatically adjust for > the film carrier height? > > Basically I am asking if you have ruled out that you have a lemon > on your hands. > Remember you are one of the first to receive and test this new > unit and that puts you in the Epson lab rat test department. > > I have read on this list that the Polaroid 4000 scanner was a dud > with soft focus until Polaroid acknowledge the problem and fixed > it with a software patch. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Ira Beckoff > imbeck@adelphia.net Ira, I scanned 22 negs so far, and today worked all day at it. None of the scans are as sharp as I want them to be. I simply want a 16x20 inch scan from a Rollei sized negative to be really sharp! The 4x5 neg scans are acceptable at 16x20, but they are NOT as sharp as the Leafscan of the same negative, which was only at 1200 DPI. None of the 2 1/4 negatives were sharp enough for 16x20 . Yes I have scanned slides, transparencies, color negs, and black and white negs. No, I haven't scanned reflective artwork, as I will never be doing that. Yes, I flipped the negative, and even tried putting the neg directly on the glass and covering it with another glass. Nothing worked. They just ain't sharp. I will have to dip deeply into my savings, but I guess the agfa duotone t2500 is my last and only option. I just KNOW that right after I buy it, the price will drop by half. I'd bet a paycheck on it. If a scanner can't scan a sharp negative at 2500 DPI, I REALLY give up, and will get out of the digital photography business! Jerry From: "Andrew Cassino" To: Subject: Re: Larger Format Film Scanning and "truth in advertising" Date sent: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:05:11 -0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Phil, I understand specmanship all too well, what with a 22 year career as an electrical engineer. But specmanship works two ways. There is the inflated claim of the sort you are concerned about, the type of claim that makes a mediocre product look better than it really is. But there is also ultra-conservative, "worst-case" specmanship that can make a fine product look mediocre. By the way, I am still open to scanning a Q59 target in my Leaf 45, if you'd lend it to me. Andrew From: "gary" To: Subject: RE: USB vs Parallel, which is faster? Date sent: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:23:30 -0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com -----Original Message----- From:David Chien Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 10:10 AM > > at 1200dpi and 2400dpi, I vaguely remember it going to 2-3MB/sec., > well over the maximum transfer rate of USB. One suspects you can't go faster than the rated speed, so the test is in error or the data is not raw. That is, Epson is using some lossless compression to transfer the data to compensate for the slow USB speed. An 8 bit/color/pixel 8.5x11 600dpi scan takes 70 seconds on my Microtek X6EL, with 15 second for the scanner to tune up. The key to SCSI is that it will be supported forever. This is important if the scanner is expensive, but probably not significant on a cheap flatbed. Those who have the Leaf complain about the GPIB interface, but you have to admit GPIB will be around for ever too. I have a nearly 30 year old HP 18Ghz frequency counter that has GPIB. If they picked some other standard, I would of been out of luck. Needless to say, when I get a film scanner, it will have SCSI. From: "Andrew Cassino" To: Subject: Re: New Polaroid 35mm-4x5" film scanner @ 2500dpi ? Date sent: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:34:00 -0800 Send reply to: scan@leben.com Gary, The reference you cited is even more specific than my reference, "Photographic Materials and Processes" by Stroebel, Compton, Current and Zakia, though rather terse. I quote from your citation, "The statistical distribution of many measurements of density ( D) made through a small aperture is an indication of the noise inherent in the photographic record and can be completely defined by its standard deviation () expressed in units of the variable D." As you probably know, density is a logarithmic quantity and that is where the log base 10 relationship comes from. If I recall my statistics, the RMS relationship comes from the standard deviation calculation. Also, this means granularity is a unitless measurement and should be considered as a figure of merit. Resolution cannot be calculated from it, though there is obviously at least a positive correlation between the two quantities. I think I do understand your point, that manufacturers are more focused on increasing speed while maintaining fine grain, rather than decreasing grain and letting speed fall where it may. Certainly not many photographers are willing to put up with an ISO 25 film even if the grain is invisible. But, ISO 100 film is quite another story, and Provia F shows that yet another cherished photographic assumption is going out the window. As far as I know the only other commercially available film that can boast an RMS granularity of 9 is Kodak Recording films, a notoriously difficult film to process and very slow to boot (ISO 12 if I recall correctly). And now, here is Provia with an equal granularity, standard E6 processing, an honest ISO 100 rating, and, oh yeah, it's a color film! Twenty years ago Provia would was science fiction. So my point is that there is not a one-size-fits-all answer to what the ultimate useful scanning resolution for film is. It may be 4000 dpi for the typical ISO 200 negative film. But it certainly can be much higher than that for other films, I would not hesistate to say that includes not just Provia F but more common films such as Velvia and Astia as well, which I can scan at 5000 dpi and still not get objectionable grain structure showing up. (I don't mean to leave Kodak films unmentioned but I have much more familiarity with the Fuji products and I am sticking to the examples I have experience with). By the way, I was handed a negative taken with a disposable camera by a friend. The photo was of her kid standing in front of a light house, taken from about a quarter mile away. The composition was crooked and the camera was pointed up. The kid was a small blob about as wide as a matchstick on the 1 hour print she got back, and the color was horrible. Curious to see just how far things could be pushed, I scanned the negative at 5000 dpi in my Leaf 45 and went to work in Photoshop. I applied gobs of unsharp masking and cropped the daylights out of that thing, as well as applied some correction for convergence. I ended up with a rather nice 8 x 10 print which shows but a little grain and no banding. Here is just about the worst case scenario in terms of camera equipment, film and technique, and the 5000 dpi scan was very darn useful! Well enough rambling, it's late! Andrew Cassino From: "Andrew Cassino" To: Subject: Re: T2500 confusion Date sent: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:35:58 -0700 Send reply to: scan@leben.com T2500 confusionChris: I was considering an Agfa 2500 last year and instead spent $1500 less and bought a used Leaf 45. Based on my experience with the Leaf I think it would produce results very close to the quality of the Eversmart scan on your web page. It will scan medium format at 2500 dpi and from I have seen the noise and density capability is as good as any CCD scanner can produce. Main drawback is it is slow. Like 5 minute prescans and 30 minute full res scans. But I think I would have to buy a used drum scanner to get better scans, or at least an Imacon. Andrew Date sent: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:24:36 -0500 From: Jerry Olson Organization: Western Echoes To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: T2500 confusion Send reply to: scan@leben.com Andrew Cassino wrote: > > T2500 confusionChris: > > I was considering an Agfa 2500 last year and instead spent $1500 less and > bought a used Leaf 45. Based on my experience with the Leaf I think it would > produce results very close to the quality of the Eversmart scan on your web > page. It will scan medium format at 2500 dpi and from I have seen the noise > and density capability is as good as any CCD scanner can produce. Main > drawback is it is slow. Like 5 minute prescans and 30 minute full res scans. > But I think I would have to buy a used drum scanner to get better scans, or at > least an Imacon. > > Andrew Andy, the Leaf scan does a remarkable job, but like you say, is very slow. I have heard it has a lot of mechanical problems, and practically no support since it is discontinued. I have a few scans from it, and they are excellent. Equal to the T2500. Jerry From: "Andrew Cassino" To: Subject: Re: T2500 confusion Date sent: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:08:29 -0700 Send reply to: scan@leben.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:24 AM > Andy, the Leaf scan does a remarkable job, but like you say, is very > slow. I have heard it has a lot of mechanical problems, and practically > no support since it is discontinued. I have a few scans from it, and > they are excellent. Equal to the T2500. > > Jerry Hi Jerry, Actually, Scitex provides technical support, parts and service for the Leaf 45. My own experience is that Scitex the folks are quite accessible and helpful. I called them once for help and a very knowledeable and courteous tech called back within an hour, and he told me exactly what to do to solve the problem. My machine has not been problem prone either. These are commercial grade machines designed for continuous operation, and the amount of scanning time I can rack up is a drop in the bucket compared to their operating lifetime. So I think it is not totally crazy for an individual to buy one of these in good condition. The slow scan times are another issue... I don't mind too much, since I can do something else during the scan. It is the long prescan that annoys me. Thanks for the comparison to the Agfa 2500. It is good to know there is an alternative of similar quality and cost, if my Leaf does ever give up the ghost. Andrew Date sent: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:32:33 +0800 To: scan@leben.com From: "Kah Heng, Tan" Subject: Leafscan 45 high-bit scanning problem Send reply to: scan@leben.com Hi How's everyone doing? I am hoping that someone familiar with this particular old scanner can give me some advice. This scanner has an ability to do 16 bit scans. However, every time I run it at that setting, the output in Photoshop is invariably dark, and no amount of curve pulling or levels adjustment will give a proper image. This as opposed to using the scanner in the 8 bit scanning mode, where what you see in the preview window is pretty much what you will get. Any clues as to what I am doing wrong using the scanner in the high-bit mode? Thanks in advance of answers. Regards Tan - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. Date sent: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:27:30 -0700 From: "Phil.Lippincott" Organization: AZTEK Imaging To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Leafscan 45 high-bit scanning problem Send reply to: scan@leben.com "Kah Heng, Tan" wrote: > Hi > > How's everyone doing? > > I am hoping that someone familiar with this particular old scanner can give me > some advice. > > This scanner has an ability to do 16 bit scans. > > However, every time I run it at that setting, the output in Photoshop is > invariably dark, and no amount of curve pulling or levels adjustment will give > a proper image. > > This as opposed to using the scanner in the 8 bit scanning mode, where what > you see in the preview window is pretty much what you will get. > > Any clues as to what I am doing wrong using the scanner in the high-bit mode? > > Thanks in advance of answers. > > Regards > Tan Hi Tan, You probably are not doing anything wrong. Many type scanner software bends the color with gamma or other curves to correct post scan data for output. This is probably what is happening with yours. When outputting hi bit depth data your software is probably being by passed. So for the first time your getting to see raw scanner data without correction. Perhaps it's both dark contrasted and brownish. This is normal. Very few scanners are being used with actual media corrections and full color depth for raw sampling. Most of what is implied in the scanner advertisements about their actual use as delivered is not what you are delivered. So don't let this bother you, your Leaf is a very good product. There is however very little if any benefit to you in you circumstance to bother with scanning in other than 24 bit mode. Phil Lippincott Aztek, Inc. www.aztek.com - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. Date sent: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:28:25 +0800 To: scan@leben.com From: "Kah Heng, Tan" Subject: Re: Leafscan 45 high-bit scanning problem Send reply to: scan@leben.com Phil Thanks for the reply. Good to know that there isn't something wrong with the scanner............................... Sad that I'd have to stick to 24 bit scanning for convenience. The Leafscan still has a lot of mileage in it left, but I can't bring myself to use it for 35mm scanning - too slow. Produces terrific med and large format scans though! Regards Tan - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. Date sent: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:30:29 -0700 To: scan@leben.com From: stephen_wolf Subject: Leaf 35 connex to a G4? Send reply to: scan@leben.com can anyone tell me if a Leaf 35 scanner will connect to a new G4 Mac? i'm looking at getting a used leaf, and according to the owner it has a GPIB connection, with "a nubus card for a MAC and a PC2A GPOB card for a PC." i'm quoting him because i'm not too familiar with these types of connections. the G4 has PCI, USB & firewire connex, but i'm adding a U2W SCSI card. any info will be appreciated!! sw Stephen Wolf ------------ http://www.stephenwolf.com i m a g e s --------------------- Email sw@stephenwolf.com - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. Date sent: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:26:56 -0600 To: scan@leben.com From: steve harley Subject: Re: Leaf 35 connex to a G4? Send reply to: scan@leben.com stephen_wolf [9/6/00, 9:30 AM -0700] (Leaf 35 connex to a G4?): >can anyone tell me if a Leaf 35 scanner will connect to a new G4 Mac? > >i'm looking at getting a used leaf, and according to the owner it has a >GPIB connection, with "a nubus card for a MAC and a PC2A GPOB card for a >PC." NuBus was used only in 680x0 and the very earliest PowerPC Macs (such as 8100). there is no new hardware that supports it. GPIB rings a bell as a way to connect old HP test equipment to computers. "PC2A GPOB card" may be a misheard version of "PC-to-a-GPIB-card", which makes sense as what you would need, but isn't very specific. doesn't have an entry for GPIB, but a search at did turn up several possibly useful hits, including , for $1250, which would seem to put a GBIP device onto Ethernet, and has Windows drivers, which you could maybe, just maybe, get the Leaf software to recognize if you ran Virtual PC... steve harley steve@paper-ape.com - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. From: "David Freedman" To: Subject: Where to find film holders for Leafscan 45 ... Date sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:33:45 -0400 Send reply to: scan@leben.com I was just unpacking the accessory box that came with the Leafscan 45 I purchased (eBay) some time ago and discovered that several of the film carriers I need weren't included. Might anyone on the list be able to direct me to a possible source for Leaf film holders for 6x4.5, 6x7 and 6x12 formats? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all, Dave F. Date sent: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 16:25:08 -0500 From: Jerry Olson Organization: Western Echoes To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Where to find film holders for Leafscan 45 ... Send reply to: scan@leben.com David Freedman wrote: > > I was just unpacking the accessory box that came with the Leafscan 45 I > purchased (eBay) some time ago and discovered that several of the film > carriers I need weren't included. Might anyone on the list be able to direct > me to a possible source for Leaf film holders for 6x4.5, 6x7 and 6x12 formats? > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks all, > > Dave F. I beleive they take beseler 45 series holders, so Calumet or B&H should have them. Jerry From: "David Dyer-Bennet" Date sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:14:02 -0500 (CDT) To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Where to find film holders for Leafscan 45 ... Send reply to: scan@leben.com Jerry Olson writes on 9 September 2000 at 16:25:08 -0500 > I beleive they [Leafscan 45] take beseler 45 series holders, so > Calumet or B&H should have them. They do? Wow, that's amazingly intelligent. Don't reinvent the wheel, there's already adequate negative carriers out there. Good for them. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Date sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:26:16 -0500 From: Jerry Olson Organization: Western Echoes To: scan@leben.com Subject: Re: Where to find film holders for Leafscan 45 ... Send reply to: scan@leben.com David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > Jerry Olson writes on 9 September 2000 at 16:25:08 -0500 > > > I beleive they [Leafscan 45] take beseler 45 series holders, so > > Calumet or B&H should have them. > > They do? Wow, that's amazingly intelligent. Don't reinvent the > wheel, there's already adequate negative carriers out there. Good for > them. David, the reason I believe they do is I saw the lab that used to scan my large negatives place them in a 4x5 believer negative carrier and place it into the leaf scan. I should have said I KNOW they do. Jerry. From: "David Freedman" To: Subject: Re: Where to find film holders for Leafscan 45 ... Date sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:31:27 -0700 Send reply to: scan@leben.com -----Original Message----- From: David Dyer-Bennet Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 2:08 AM >Jerry Olson writes on 9 September 2000 at 16:25:08 -0500 > > > I beleive they [Leafscan 45] take beseler 45 series holders, so > > Calumet or B&H should have them. > >They do? Wow, that's amazingly intelligent. Don't reinvent the >wheel, there's already adequate negative carriers out there. Good for >them. Yes, it's true that the Leaf 45 will accept Beseler 4x5 carriers but (and this is the killer for me) the Beseler carriers will not fit in the Leaf rotating film stage. This was an optional gizmo into which the "official" Leaf carriers could be placed. They could then be rotated a full 360 degrees. I was told by the original owner of my Leaf that the reason for this was to allow various formats to be oriented properly to obtain maximum scan resolution and that it was required to get the full 5080 dpi scans on 35mm. It seems to me that the apertures in the carriers would have been cut to take care of this in the first place so this "explanation" leaves me a bit skeptical. In any case, the rotating carrier is the reason I'm looking for Leaf original film holders. Dave F. From: "Laurie Solomon" To: Subject: RE: Where to find film holders for Leafscan 45 ... Date sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:40:44 -0500 Send reply to: scan@leben.com To add to Jerry's suggestion, why pay for new holders from places like B&H or Calumet when you can probably get used ones at a must cheaper cost. For offerings and prices check out Shutterbug Magazine. Date sent: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:35:22 -0400 To: scan@leben.com From: Eugene Kowaluk Subject: RE: Where to find film holders for Leafscan 45 ... Send reply to: scan@leben.com We use both the original rotating Leaf film holders and the Beselers. I prefer the Beseler, because they offer unique carriers, especially the 25x37 35mm film carrier (cat. #8302) and the 4x5 "Negaflat" (cat. #8340) whcih can hold the film under tension, especially the 4 mil, when 8x10 sheet film is cut down to 4x5. The originals sometimes required cutting your negatives, while the Beseler has a larger area with which to work. eugene kowaluk XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX FROM: "David Freedman" SUBJECT: WTB: Film Holders for Leafscan 45 Rotating Carrier ... DATE: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:58:03 GMT ORGANIZATION: AT&T Worldnet NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace I'm looking for 6x4.5 and 6x12 format film holders for the Leafscan 45 scanner's rotating carrier. I know this is a longshot but thought I'd give it a try! Thanks, Dave F. FROM: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) SUBJECT: Re: WTB: Film Holders for Leafscan 45 Rotating Carrier ... DATE: Mon, 18 Sep 00 19:17:54 GMT NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace In article , "David Freedman" wrote: >I'm looking for 6x4.5 and 6x12 format film holders for the Leafscan 45 >scanner's rotating carrier. > >I know this is a longshot but thought I'd give it a try! > >Thanks, > >Dave F. > Seems the Leaf 45 carriers are identical with Beseler....but somehow I doubt you'll find them in 6x12 format.... -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] FROM: James Watts SUBJECT: Leafscan 45 Deluxe latest Ex $2700 DATE: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:53:45 -0400 ORGANIZATION: MindSpring Enterprises NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace.digital Leafscan 45 in New York City. 48 bit scanning, 3.7 OD range, 4.0 max. Up to 5080 dpi from 35mm, 2540 dpi from medium format, and 1200 dpi from 4x5. This scanner is in excellent condition. Deluxe kit includes rotating holder and inserts for 35mm mounted and un-mounted, 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, 6x12, 4x5. With SCSI cable and active terinator for Mac, and GPIB card and cable for Windows. Original software for Mac and Windows, plus Leafscan 2.2 plug-in on CD-ROM. Program module 4.1. 88lbs, 100+lbs. with original shipping carton, which is supplied. This scanner is slow, but produces great scans. My project with it is done. It's only competition is the $16,000 Imacon. Buyer is responsible for shipping arrangements. It will cost several hundred dollars (FedEx overnight for about $500). Payment by secured funds only. FROM: see.signature@bottom.com (gary gaugler) SUBJECT: Re: Leafscan 45 Deluxe latest Ex $2700 DATE: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:08:56 GMT ORGANIZATION: Optical Reflections NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace.digital On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:53:45 -0400, James Watts wrote: >Leafscan 45 in New York City. 48 bit scanning, 3.7 OD range, 4.0 max. Up to >5080 dpi from 35mm, 2540 dpi from medium format, and 1200 dpi from 4x5. This >scanner is in excellent condition. Deluxe kit includes rotating holder and >inserts for 35mm mounted and un-mounted, 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, 6x12, 4x5. >With SCSI cable and active terinator for Mac, and GPIB card and cable for >Windows. Original software for Mac and Windows, plus Leafscan 2.2 plug-in on >CD-ROM. Program module 4.1. 88lbs, 100+lbs. with original shipping carton, >which is supplied. This scanner is slow, but produces great scans. My >project with it is done. It's only competition is the $16,000 Imacon. >Buyer is responsible for shipping arrangements. It will cost several hundred >dollars (FedEx overnight for about $500). Payment by secured funds only. $500 for shipping?? OK. I would suggest that the Polaroid Sprintscan 45 at 4000dpi is a better option. It is lest costly too. Sounds like the Leafscan 45 is a boat anchor. Gary Gaugler, Ph.D. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Modern surfers use PC boards....you can too at http://photoweb.net E-mail: gary@gaugler dot com FROM: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) SUBJECT: Re: Leafscan 45 Deluxe latest Ex $2700 DATE: Fri, 01 Sep 00 11:47:46 GMT ORGANIZATION: A1 de Internet Provider uit Twente B.V. NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace.digital In article <39af1d81.32750277@news.calweb.com>, see.signature@bottom.com (gary gaugler) wrote: >On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:53:45 -0400, James Watts > wrote: > >>Leafscan 45 in New York City. 48 bit scanning, 3.7 OD range, 4.0 max. Up to >>5080 dpi from 35mm, 2540 dpi from medium format, and 1200 dpi from 4x5. This >>scanner is in excellent condition. Deluxe kit includes rotating holder and >>inserts for 35mm mounted and un-mounted, 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, 6x12, 4x5. >>With SCSI cable and active terinator for Mac, and GPIB card and cable for >>Windows. Original software for Mac and Windows, plus Leafscan 2.2 plug-in on >>CD-ROM. Program module 4.1. 88lbs, 100+lbs. with original shipping carton, >>which is supplied. This scanner is slow, but produces great scans. My >>project with it is done. It's only competition is the $16,000 Imacon. >>Buyer is responsible for shipping arrangements. It will cost several hundred >>dollars (FedEx overnight for about $500). Payment by secured funds only. > >$500 for shipping?? OK. I would suggest that the Polaroid Sprintscan >45 at 4000dpi is a better option. It is lest costly too. > >Sounds like the Leafscan 45 is a boat anchor. Sounds perfect against thieves breaking into your house....:)) Not much different than old-style photocopiers btw....absolute pigs to transport....8-)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] FROM: "Austin Franklin" SUBJECT: Re: Leafscan 45 Deluxe latest Ex $2700 DATE: 5 Sep 2000 15:28:00 GMT ORGANIZATION: MindSpring Enterprises NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace.digital > I would suggest that the Polaroid Sprintscan > 45 at 4000dpi is a better option. It is lest costly too. It's not 4000DPI it's 2000x4000. FROM: "Doug Nations" SUBJECT: FS: LeafScan 45 DATE: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:40:22 GMT ORGANIZATION: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace.digital I have a LeafScan 45 for $4500. Includes software for both Mac & Windows. Also, a GPIB board, 4 film holders (35mm, 35mm slides, 6x6 & 4x5) and carrying case. I am in the Dallas area. Please email or call 972-530-4675 for more info. Thanks Doug FROM: "Austin Franklin" SUBJECT: LeafScan 45 Windows software version? DATE: 15 Sep 2000 13:12:20 GMT ORGANIZATION: MindSpring Enterprises NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners I have two disks for my Leaf 45. One is marked 1.1 and dated 11/9/93. It has an install program, and winleaf.exe plus some dlls etc. The second disk has leaf.ini, leafscan.exe and a readme.txt file. The readme.txt file on the second disk says to put the leaf.ini in the windows directory, and the leafscan.exe in the winleaf directory, and use the leafscan.exe program... When I run winleaf.exe, it works fine. When I run leafscan.exe, I get a WINVDM error, and the program doesn't run. I am using Windows NT 4.0 SP6a. Which program are people using, and what is the date of the file? Anyone else have this problem with leafscan.exe, or has anyone gotten it to work (under NT preferably)? Thanks! FROM: Jim Gizzi SUBJECT: Re: LeafScan 45 Windows software version? DATE: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:50:04 GMT ORGANIZATION: @Home Network NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Austin Franklin wrote: > I have two disks for my Leaf 45. One is marked 1.1 and dated 11/9/93. It > has an install program, and winleaf.exe plus some dlls etc. The second > disk has leaf.ini, leafscan.exe and a readme.txt file. The readme.txt file > on the second disk says to put the leaf.ini in the windows directory, and > the leafscan.exe in the winleaf directory, and use the leafscan.exe > program... > > When I run winleaf.exe, it works fine. When I run leafscan.exe, I get a > WINVDM error, and the program doesn't run. I am using Windows NT 4.0 SP6a. > > Which program are people using, and what is the date of the file? Anyone > else have this problem with leafscan.exe, or has anyone gotten it to work > (under NT preferably)? > > Thanks! I'd be real interested in anything that you find out. I purchased a Mac to interface to my Leaf on the advice of Scitex. I'm tired of having the d%&$ on my network and crashing all of the time. I want to get the Leaf onto the PC and get rid of the Mac. Jim -- Jim Gizzi Owner/Photographer Hi-Cam Aerial Photography and Video (360) 687-0458 www.hicam.com jim@hicam.com FROM: "Austin Franklin" SUBJECT: Re: LeafScan 45 Windows software version? DATE: 16 Sep 2000 00:30:15 GMT ORGANIZATION: MindSpring Enterprises NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Jim Gizzi wrote in article <39C260B2.666AA129@hi-cam.com>... > I'd be real interested in anything that you find out. I purchased a Mac to > interface to my Leaf on the advice of Scitex. I'm tired of having the d%&$ on > my network and crashing all of the time. I want to get the Leaf onto the PC > and get rid of the Mac. > > Jim Mine works great on my PC. I am running NT 4.0 SP6a, and the software is the released 1.1. What problems were you having? FROM: Jim Gizzi SUBJECT: Re: LeafScan 45 Windows software version? DATE: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:26:38 GMT ORGANIZATION: @Home Network NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Austin Franklin wrote: > Mine works great on my PC. I am running NT 4.0 SP6a, and the software is > the released 1.1. What problems were you having? I haven't had any problems with the Leaf on a PC as I've never tried it. Talking with Leaf support led me down the Mac path. My system is all Win 98 but I would have to believe that it is more difficult to put a GPIB board on NT than 98. FROM: "Austin Franklin" SUBJECT: Re: LeafScan 45 Windows software version? DATE: 16 Sep 2000 03:34:07 GMT ORGANIZATION: MindSpring Enterprises NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Jim Gizzi wrote in article <39C2CBB2.22B8FA34@hi-cam.com>... > I haven't had any problems with the Leaf on a PC as I've never tried it. > Talking with Leaf support led me down the Mac path. My system is all Win 98 > but I would have to believe that it is more difficult to put a GPIB board on NT > than 98. GPIB boards are readily available. The specific one is a National Instruments GPIB-AT/TNT. It is an ISA card, and you can probably get one on eBay for around $50 or so! From: Austin Franklin To: "'w.j.markerink@a1.nl'" Subject: Leaf 45... Date sent: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:45:46 -0400 > PS: do you have the complete set of original software in your posession? > Since I am about to buy a used Leaf45, without any software/manuals, I > might be interested in a copy, if the Scitex-route is too costly (not sure > yet what I need more than just drivers). Hi, The Mac software is freely available for download, but they charge for the Windows software. I would be more than happy to help you set it up, or email you scanned copies of pages of the manual. Three notes on buying Leaf scanners used. 1) make sure the firmware is 4.1, it is marked on the cartridge on the back of the unit. 2) make sure it has both the GPIB and SCSI ports, unless you get a substantial discount on it... 3) Though it uses standard Beseler 45 enlarger negative holders, only the Leaf Set of holders will allow you to use negative strips...so if the seller has them, get them. Regards, Austin From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: scan@leben.com Date sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:32:15 +0100 Subject: Leaf 45 and 35-transmitter (once was: Leaf Scanner Information Copies to: bill_gillooly@sta.scitex.com, marketing@sta.scitex.com, Rick Boden Send reply to: scan@leben.com [posted to Scan Mailinglist, CC'd to Bill Gillooly & marketing@sta.scitex.com, and Rick Boden] On 6 Apr 99 at 16:14, Bill Gillooly wrote: > Folks, > > There have been a number of questions regarding Leaf scanners (Leaf35 and > Leaf45) here recently. I wanted to get everyone who owns and uses a Leaf > scanner the most current information regarding software and support. > > Leaf scanners are no longer manufactured by Scitex, but are fully supported > with both telephone support and hardware repair available. Anyone who has a > Leaf scanner and is having problems with it can call the Scitex Response > Center (800-800-2500 ) to get support. > > The Leaf scanners work on all known Macs (with Nubus or PCI) (even the > new G-3's). > > For use on the PC, you will need a GPIB interface. > GPIB boards are available directly from National Instruments (800-433-3488 ) > or their dealers. The PCI GPIB works fine too. > > The latest Mac software (LeafScan Photoshop Plugin v2.2) is available from the > Scitex Web-Site ( http://www.scitex.com or more directly > http://www.scitex.com/supp/leaf/index.htm). > > The latest PC software (WindowsLeafscan v1.1) is available from the Scitex > Response Center at a cost of $295 (ask for part number 80327). This is a stand > alone scanner driver, not a plugin but it will work with Win 3.1, 95, 98, and > NT. > > Scitex FinalTouch automatic dust and scratch removal software is available > through Source Scitex ( 800-929-9209 ). > > Currently Scitex is running a trade-in program for owners of of Leaf scanners, > either version can be traded-in for a discount when purchasing a Scitex > EverSmart, EverSmart Pro or EverSmart Supreme scanner. > > Scitex even has used Leaf scanners available from time-to-time. > > If you are interested in any Scitex product you can get more information by > calling us ( 800-685-9462 ) or via e-mail ( marketing@sta.scitex.com ). > > Bill Gillooly > Product Marketing Manager > Input Systems > Scitex America > 8 Oak Park Drive > Bedford, MA 01730-1473 > bill_gillooly@sta.scitex.com > 781-280-7508 > 781-275-5649 FAX > Hi Bill & list, My apologies to the list for the full quote, but I thought this might be relevant as a fundament/context for my questions below, as well as checking with Leaf/Scitex whether the above details are still valid. [eg: a first call to the above-mentioned support phone number indicated that there is a better, more direct phone number available for questions about Leaf products: 800-800-2500, and 011 322 352 2511 for the general Scitex number in Europe/Belgium....I have also created a small file with all Leaf-related postings on the Scan-list thusfar at http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/leaf_45.txt, and hope to update it with this new thread] Situation: As things stand, I hope to buy a used Leaf 45 soon. However, it is a bare unit, no GPIB-interface board, no manual, probably not even film-holders....unit has been put on a shelf several years ago. Also available is a Leaf 35 with SCSI/GPIB connection, plus 4 more units build into a Zero/Haliburton case, containing a Leaf 35 plus a telephone transmitter for telephone transmission....no receivers....purchase considered, as well as resale if anyone is interested (due to weight, shipping is costly, and it's quite a long drive, so buying the entire lot might be efficient with resale in mind). Questions: 1) Brochure: Is it possible to obtain the original factory sales brochure from all 3 products? or just a b&w copy? 2) Manual: same question, if only for the procedure/details about installation/drivers, and perhaps maintenance. 3) GPIB board for PC: AT or PCI? Given the fact that the scanner is slow, is there any point in looking for the PCI-version, or am I just wasting money? And if I find a used AT-version, I assume I still can get the necessary drivers from National Instruments? (or where there other board manufacturers too, with different drivers?....any to avoid?) 4) Film holders: I recall both 45 and 35 use Beseler (enlarger) film holders....so which type of Beseler enlarger do I look for on the used market? Which formats did/do exist beyond the usual 24x36, 6x6/6x7 and 4x5"? 24x58mm? 6x12? Can any of these still be ordered new if necessary? From Scitex or Beseler? Or even custom-ordered in the exact size? 5) Leaf 35-transmitter unit: I have been told it contains a hard disk for temporarily storage, hence probably also a basic PC. This begs the question: could I separate this Siamese-Twin, and end up with a SCSI or GPIB unit that can be used on any PC/Mac? Anyone know what's inside, and whether it can functionally be separated? Are these indeed fully functional Leaf 35's, or are they technically restricted in any way? And FWIW, as an alternative, could I still find the telephone-receivers somewhere? Or would hooking them up to a modern PC be an even larger nightmare? Probably all proprietary/custom protocols, nothing compatible with current modems, right? 6) A posting to the Scan list by Rick Boden in 1998 suggested he was working on creating a Leaf Mailinglist....did it ever come that far? Thanx in advance for anyone who can shed some light on these matters! -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: scan@leben.com Date sent: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:26:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Leaf 45 and 35-transmitter (once was: Leaf Scanner Informat Copies to: bill_gillooly@sta.scitex.com, marketing@sta.scitex.com, Rick Boden Send reply to: scan@leben.com On 26 Sep 00 at 18:32, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > [posted to Scan Mailinglist, CC'd to Bill Gillooly & > marketing@sta.scitex.com, and Rick Boden] > Hi Bill & list, > > My apologies to the list for the full quote, but I thought this > might be relevant as a fundament/context for my questions below, as > well as checking with Leaf/Scitex whether the above details are still valid. > > [eg: a first call to the above-mentioned support phone number indicated > that there is a better, more direct phone number available for > questions about Leaf products: 800-800-2500, and 011 322 352 2511 for > the general Scitex number in Europe/Belgium....I have also created a > small file with all Leaf-related postings on the Scan-list thusfar at > http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/leaf_45.txt, and hope to update > it with this new thread] First update: the above number for Europe/Belgium is a bit garbled up, at least for those calling from within Europe; it should read: +32 (for Belgium) 2352 2511 Support number for Dutch seems to be: 0800 020 0999 ....where I should ask for Cederique Musqar....which the lady there couldn't find at all, and gave me this direct phone number: +32 2352 2627 ....which wasn't so direct afterall, after which I got the next direct number, from Maaike Wesselink (English/German): +32 2352 2665 ....who then again referred me to Cederique Musqar, on his mobile number: +32 49751 2781 ....whom I will call tomorrow.... She also told me that for very detailed/technical questions, I might end up in Israel, the origin of Leaf (which I only vaguely knew about)....and that the USA is on the same level of info available as Europe. Repeated list-check: No one on the list ever tried separating a Leaf35/transmitter combination? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: Rick Adshead To: "'w.j.markerink@a1.nl'" Copies to: Yoel Toledano , Bill Gillooly Subject: RE: (Fwd) Leaf 45 and 35-transmitter (once was: Leaf Scanner Info r Date sent: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:19:21 -0400 Willem, The info that you quote here is only partially correct. The original post from CreoScitex Marketing was intended for North America only. I am not sure that you can find repair service on other continents. You would have to check on that. The Leaf-35 in a case that you mention is the old Leaf-fax system and is a proprietary system that WAS used by news photographers to transmit photos back to the news agency. This system uses proprietary SW and controls and cannot be use for anything else and since this entire system is WAY obsolete, I recommend that you sell these for SCRAP, as they cannot be seprated to be used as a standalone scanner. Leafscan 45 uses Beseler 45M film holders. Get these from a Beseler dealer. They are not available from CreoScitex. The film holders for the Leafscan 35 were custom made and are not available ANYWHERE to my knowledge. You will have to custom make them or sell the 35 scaners as scrap. Manuals are no longer available but you can download the Scanner software for Mac only from the CreoScitex web site. The software drivers for PC must be purchsed from CreoScitex for $295 US. Part number 80327. Regards, Rick Adshead-Leaf Product Support/CreoScitex America From: Self To: Rick Adshead ,Yoel Toledano , Bill Gillooly Subject: RE: (Fwd) Leaf 45 and 35-transmitter (once was: Leaf Scanne Send reply to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date sent: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:01:02 +0100 On 2 Oct 00 at 10:19, Rick Adshead wrote: > Willem, > The info that you quote here is only partially correct. The original post from > CreoScitex Marketing was intended for North America only. I am not sure that > you can find repair service on other continents. You would have to check on > that. No problem, I realized that already, if only for shipping problems. > The Leaf-35 in a case that you mention is the old Leaf-fax system and is a > proprietary system that WAS used by news photographers to transmit photos back > to the news agency. This system uses proprietary SW and controls and cannot be > use for anything else and since this entire system is WAY obsolete, I > recommend that you sell these for SCRAP, as they cannot be seprated to be used > as a standalone scanner. How much resemblance do the hardware parts show with a normal Leaf 35 or 45? Any chance of using them as spare-part sources? (I know the 35 and 45 basically share the same scanning unit, just with more moving parts and lens in the 45....seems that at least an ordinary 35 could act as a donor for 45's, if ever necessary (not sure about typical failure modes). > Leafscan 45 uses Beseler 45M film holders. Get these from a Beseler dealer. > They are not available from CreoScitex. I have been told the original 45 holder was rotatable, both for optimized scanning and for feeding of strip-film (35 or 120?), while the Beseler units are fixed (in the non-optimized orientation). Or is scanning optimizing perpendicular to strip feeding? (and which one does the Beseler have?) > The film holders for the Leafscan 35 > were custom made and are not available ANYWHERE to my knowledge. You will have > to custom make them or sell the 35 scaners as scrap. Ai.... > Manuals are no longer available but you can download the Scanner software for > Mac only from the CreoScitex web site. The software drivers for PC must be > purchsed from CreoScitex for $295 US. Part number 80327. Do I still need separate drivers for the GPIB-interface (PCI or AT), or is that all I need? And does it make any sense to pick a PCI-board over an AT-board, given the slow speed of the scanner itself? Thanx a bunch for your prompt reply! From: Self To: Rick Adshead ,Yoel Toledano , Bill Gillooly Subject: RE: (Fwd) Leaf 45 and 35-transmitter (once was: Leaf Scanne Send reply to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date sent: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:02:09 +0100 That should have read PCI vs ISA board of course, sorry. From: Rick Adshead To: "'w.j.markerink@a1.nl'" Subject: RE: (Fwd) Leaf 45 and 35-transmitter (once was: Leaf Scanne Date sent: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:39:46 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Willem-Jan Markerink [mailto:w.j.markerink@a1.nl] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:01 PM To: Rick Adshead; Yoel Toledano; Bill Gillooly > On 2 Oct 00 at 10:19, Rick Adshead wrote: > >> Willem, >> The info that you quote here is only partially correct. The original post from >> CreoScitex Marketing was intended for North America only. I am not sure >> that you can find repair service on other continents. You would have to >> check on that. > > No problem, I realized that already, if only for shipping problems. > >> The Leaf-35 in a case that you mention is the old Leaf-fax system and is a >> proprietary system that WAS used by news photographers to transmit photos back >> to the news agency. This system uses proprietary SW and controls and cannot be >> use for anything else and since this entire system is WAY obsolete, I >> recommend that you sell these for SCRAP, as they cannot be seprated to be used >> as a standalone scanner. > > How much resemblance do the hardware parts show with a normal Leaf 35 or > 45? Any chance of using them as spare-part sources? > (I know the 35 and 45 basically share the same scanning unit, just > with more moving parts and lens in the 45....seems that at least an > ordinary 35 could act as a donor for 45's, if ever necessary (not > sure about typical failure modes). The Optic bench assembly of the Leaffax is similar to that of the leaf 35. You may be able to use the film holder. >> Leafscan 45 uses Beseler 45M film holders. Get these from a Beseler dealer. >> They are not available from CreoScitex. > > I have been told the original 45 holder was rotatable, both for > optimized scanning and for feeding of strip-film (35 or 120?), while the > Beseler units are fixed (in the non-optimized orientation). > Or is scanning optimizing perpendicular to strip feeding? > (and which one does the Beseler have?) The original Leaf holder WAS the Beseler holder. it will not rotate. To get vertical scans, cut the handle off the Beseler holder. The rotating holder is no longer available. >> The film holders for the Leafscan 35 >> were custom made and are not available ANYWHERE to my knowledge. You will have >> to custom make them or sell the 35 scaners as scrap. > > Ai.... May be able to use the holders from the Leaffax. Look around inside the unit. >> Manuals are no longer available but you can download the Scanner software for >> Mac only from the CreoScitex web site. The software drivers for PC must >> be purchsed from CreoScitex for $295 US. Part number 80327. > > Do I still need separate drivers for the GPIB-interface (PCI or AT), > or is that all I need? > And does it make any sense to pick a PCI-board over an AT-board, > given the slow speed of the scanner itself? > > Thanx a bunch for your prompt reply! You are correct in that the speed of the scanner itself is the limiting factor. Besides the Leaf software. all you need is the National Instruments GPIB driver that allows your board to work with your PC. Rick Regards, Rick Adshead-Leaf Product Support/CreoScitex From: Bill Gillooly To: "'w.j.markerink@a1.nl'" Subject: RE: (Fwd) Leaf 45 and 35-transmitter (once was: Leaf Scanne Date sent: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:09:56 -0400 > From: Willem-Jan Markerink > Sent: Monday, October 2, 2000 12:01 PM > To: Rick Adshead; Yoel Toledano; Bill Gillooly > > That should have read PCI vs ISA board of course, sorry. ISA is fine, the data rate is relatively slow. Bill Gillooly Marketing Manager Input Systems CreoScitex America 8 Oak Park Drive Bedford, MA 01730-1473 781-280-7508 781-275-5649 FAX bill_gillooly@creoscitex.com From: "Colortex" To: Subject: Leafscan 45 dip-switches, lights etc. Date sent: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:23:27 +0200 Send reply to: scan@leben.com I need help setting up a SCSI Leafscan 45 (SCSI). I do not have the manual and do not know how to set the dip-switches (2 blocks - a small with 3 switches and large with 5) and how to read the status lights. Can anybody help, please contact me at colortex@get2net.dk Regards Ole FROM: "Austin Franklin" SUBJECT: FS: Polaroid SprintScan 4000 as new, in box.... DATE: 8 Nov 2000 21:51:52 GMT ORGANIZATION: MindSpring Enterprises NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.marketplace.digital I have an as new, in box, Polaroid SprintScan 4000 for sale. It comes with all original items it came with, film holder, slide holder, instruction manual, AdvanSys SCSI card, SCSI cable, Insight software/driver, latest revision of the firmware. Unit bought in July, and still under warranty. This was bought as a new unit, not a refurbished unit, and works perfectly! Only reason I am selling it is because I bought a LeafScan 45, and no longer need this scanner. $1150 or best offer, plus shipping. Any questions, please email me at austin@darkroom.com FROM: franco vogt SUBJECT: leafscanner fun DATE: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:01:19 GMT NEWSGROUPS: alt.comp.periphs.scanner Anyone have any idea why my leafscanner will not work with a mac7300. i t works fine on an old llci and it works fine on the new G4. I have tried everthything from unplugging the whole scsi chain an run it soilo still nothing. I am about to lose my mind. I get this error messsage in photoshop 'unable to intialize scanner" Help... Franco FROM: rfont@my-deja.com SUBJECT: Re: leafscanner fun DATE: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:11:05 GMT ORGANIZATION: Deja.com - Before you buy. NEWSGROUPS: alt.comp.periphs.scanner In article <3A0EF711.66D0CE4@francovogt.com>, franco vogt wrote: > Anyone have any idea why my leafscanner will not work with a mac7300. i > t works fine on an old llci and it works fine on the new G4. I have > tried everthything from unplugging the whole scsi chain an run it soilo > still nothing. I am about to lose my mind. I get this error messsage in > photoshop 'unable to intialize scanner" > Help... > Franco > > Franco, Does sound like a SCSI problem. Have you tried to check if there is a SCSI address conflict? Disconnect the scanner and then run a SCSI address checker like SCSI Probe to see if another device is connected to the same address. Rick Fontaine Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. FROM: "Matt" SUBJECT: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:59:02 -0900 ORGANIZATION: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Getting lines in Leaf 45 scanner any suggestions to solve the problems?? Thanks FROM: rfont@my-deja.com SUBJECT: Re: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:30:37 GMT ORGANIZATION: Deja.com - Before you buy. NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners In article <8v6a9n$3ns20$2@ID-34205.news.dfncis.de>, w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) wrote: > Just passing on the 'solution' from my local lab: they ordered a new lamp. > I am still baffled, my understanding is that it uses a fluorescent tube, > hence no local idiosyncrasies could ever have been caused by the light > source....it just doesn't make sense....tubes either flicker and/or loose > light intensity, but both should be noticable in different ways.... > > PS: which type of 45 do you have, the old GPIB version, or the later > SCSI/GPIB? > > Also: anyone knowledge about the Leaf35/faximile, a device fabricated in > cooperation with Associated Press? I have located a few of these units, but > no software, no receiver....and without that, they are useless. Anyone? > > PS: working on the creating of a Leaf Scanner Mailinglist....;)) > Matt: I agree that the lamp might be the cause. The lighting system has a feedback circuit that may cause this problem when the light is low intensity. You may try a lamp adjustment procedure. Then try a new lamp. But I'm surprised that you're not getting and "Low Lamp" dialogue message from the application. I hope it's just the lamp. Willem-Jan: Concerning your question about the Leaf35/Faximile; There where three "flavors" of LeafFax's. The first had a tiny television that pulled out of the case (USELESS except for the film holders). The second had a built-in TV monitor that popped out on a spring (USELESS except for the film holders). The third had a flip-up LCD monitor. This style has a few similar parts that are on the Leafscan 35. You can probably make this style available to someone looking to repair a Leafscan 35. This is my opinion only. I believe these machines are no longer used anywhere. The film holders are interchangeable with the LeafScan 35 and are hard to find. There is a mailing list on-going that I am a member of: http://www.egroups.com/group/Leafscan You (anyone else) are welcome to join. Rick Fontaine email: rfontaine.at.tp.net (replace .at. with @) Creo Scitex (Formerly of Leaf Systems) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. FROM: Hi-Cam SUBJECT: Re: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:07:33 GMT ORGANIZATION: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Matt wrote: > Getting lines in Leaf 45 scanner any suggestions to solve the problems?? > > Thanks Could be the gel filters. I had lines and discovered holes in the filters. Are your lines one color? Are they white when scanning negs, or what? Do they go horizontally through the image or vertically? -- Jim Gizzi Owner/Photographer Hi-Cam Aerial Photography and Video (360) 687-0458 www.hicam.com jim@hicam.com FROM: "Matt" SUBJECT: Re: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:11:22 -0900 ORGANIZATION: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Hi-Cam" wrote in message news:3A1A1010.8D0CF52@hi-cam.com... > Could be the gel filters. I had lines and discovered holes in the filters. > Are your lines one color? Are they white when scanning negs, or what? Do > they go horizontally through the image or vertically? lines go vertical- north-south- in rgb mode lines show up more in the blue channel, but also seen in the red and green. they tell me the gel filters are ok, however there where a bit dusty, they where cleaned. Some other things to note lines seem to get worse after it has been on for awhile, maybe 1 hour etc.. we do enlarge 35mm to max size at 300dpi, near to 11" width. thanks for all your help guys, maybe it will work out. FROM: Hi-Cam SUBJECT: Re: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:31:18 GMT ORGANIZATION: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Matt wrote: > lines go vertical- north-south- in rgb mode lines show up more in the blue > channel, but also seen in the red and green. > > they tell me the gel filters are ok, however there where a bit dusty, they > where cleaned. > > Some other things to note lines seem to get worse after it has been on for > awhile, maybe 1 hour etc.. > > we do enlarge 35mm to max size at 300dpi, near to 11" width. > > thanks for all your help guys, maybe it will work out. There are four filters, the three colors and the clear, or infrared (i believe). Dust on any of these would cause lines. As it seems to be on all three I would check the clear filter closely for dust or a scratch. Mine also seem to shift in the holders and that caused a line to show up on the extreme edge of 4x5 scans.. -- Jim Gizzi Owner/Photographer Hi-Cam Aerial Photography and Video (360) 687-0458 www.hicam.com jim@hicam.com FROM: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) SUBJECT: Re: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Thu, 23 Nov 00 18:12:17 GMT NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners In article <3A1C2BFA.476B0E88@hi-cam.com>, Hi-Cam wrote: >There are four filters, the three colors and the clear, or infrared (i >believe). I know modern scanners use an IR-sensor to find mechanical artifacts (dust, scratches), but I really wonder whether Leaf already used that concept back in the late 80's.... -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] FROM: Hi-Cam SUBJECT: Re: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:50:25 GMT ORGANIZATION: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > In article <3A1C2BFA.476B0E88@hi-cam.com>, Hi-Cam wrote: > >There are four filters, the three colors and the clear, or infrared (i > >believe). > > I know modern scanners use an IR-sensor to find mechanical artifacts (dust, > scratches), but I really wonder whether Leaf already used that concept back > in the late 80's.... > Don't know it's function, just what it was called by the Leaf techs when I asked them about it. -- Jim Gizzi Owner/Photographer Hi-Cam Aerial Photography and Video (360) 687-0458 www.hicam.com jim@hicam.com FROM: rfont@my-deja.com SUBJECT: Re: Leaf 45 Scanner - giving lines in scans??? DATE: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:07:34 GMT ORGANIZATION: Deja.com - Before you buy. NEWSGROUPS: comp.periphs.scanners In article <3A207953.9FF3B118@hi-cam.com>, Hi-Cam wrote: > Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > > > In article <3A1C2BFA.476B0E88@hi-cam.com>, Hi-Cam wrote: > > >There are four filters, the three colors and the clear, or infrared (i > > >believe). > > > > I know modern scanners use an IR-sensor to find mechanical artifacts (dust, > > scratches), but I really wonder whether Leaf already used that concept back > > in the late 80's.... > > Don't know it's function, just what it was called by the Leaf techs when I > asked them about it. > There are four gel filters in the scanner. Red, green, and blue for color scans. One sweep for each color. The fourth is a neutral filter grey in color for black & white scans. There is an IR glass in the lamp housing between the color filters and the lamp. This glass should also be inspected for dust. Rick Fontaine Creo Scitex formerly from Leaf Systems FROM: norms31876@my-deja.com SUBJECT: Re: GPIB SCSI Controller Advise please DATE: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:31:14 GMT ORGANIZATION: Deja.com - Before you buy. NEWSGROUPS: alt.comp.periphs.scanner In article <900qkn$5q6ao$8@ID-34205.news.dfncis.de>, w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) wrote: > In article <8vur3q$hod$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, norms31876@my-deja.com wrote: > >Looking for information of using a GPIB SCSI Controller to go from Leaf > >Scanner with GPIB to a Mac via SCSI instead of using GPIB card. Is there > >any advantage to using the controller over a GPIB card in an older Mac? > >TIA Norm Shapiro > > Assuming you mean a GPIB->SCSI interface, I think you won't find any such > thing on the market, neither used nor new. > It's either an GPIB-card (and either for PC or for Mac), or SCSI, with the > note that some later Leaf scanners were capable of both GPIB and SCSI (just > as some current scanners can do both parallel-port and USB, or USB and > SCSI). > > Although I am not so fond on eGroups mailinglists (the Yahoo/eGroups merger > contained the same nasty copy-right deminishments as the Yahoo/Geocities > merger), there is a Leafscan mailinglist available there: > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Post message: > Leafscan@egroups.com > Subscribe: > Leafscan-subscribe@egroups.com > Unsubscribe: > Leafscan-unsubscribe@egroups.com > List owner: > Leafscan-owner@egroups.com > URL to this page: > http://www.egroups.com/group/Leafscan > National Instruments does make such a device that allows you to control a GPIB device via SCSI or SCSI device via GPIB. Right now I'm using my Leafscan 45 via GPIB board into a Quadra 800. Just wondering if using this controller would allow me to bypass the need for a GPIB board and work with a newer Mac and the scanner. Thanks for the info on the egroup, I'll check it out. Norm Shapiro Post message: Leafscan@egroups.com Subscribe: Leafscan-subscribe@egroups.com Unsubscribe: Leafscan-unsubscribe@egroups.com List owner: Leafscan-owner@egroups.com URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/group/Leafscan (http://www.cryst.bbk.ac.uk/~ubcg16z/leaf.htm) Using the LeafScan 45 to scan EM negatives Important Dos and Donts 1. NEVER remove the film holder if it is not in the fully out position. If in doubt use eject in the leaf control software. 2. NEVER move the film holder when the motor is running. 3. The power should be left on for the day when the scanner is being used, but not overnight. Avoid switching on and off. This shortens the lifetime of the bulb, which will cost around £500 to replace. Please fill in the scanner booking sheet so that earlier users know whether to turn it off or not. If there is no other user, you must make sure it is turned off overnight. Introduction These notes assume a general knowledge of the Mac operating system. There is a manual, Mac OS for Dummies, next to the scanner. The instructions are given in the order you will need them. The Mac is switched on and off with the button at the top right of the keyboard, NOT with the power switch that is next to the floppy drive, which is also NOT a disk eject button. Disks on the Mac are ejected by software commands, not by buttons. If you crash the mac, it can be rebooted by control-(4-fold squiggle)-power button. The monitor can be left on, since it has a power down mode when not in use. Power On The scanner must be switched on (at the back) and allowed to warm up for 30 minutes before calibration can be performed. Mac settings for scannning Use the monitor icons at the bottom left of the screen (expand the marker by clicking on it) to make sure that the screen size is 832x624 and that the colours are set to millions. If this is not done, the image will almost disappear when the Leaf software is loaded and 16 bit scanning will not work. Mounting EM Negatives Insert film into holder placing the film emulsion side down with the edges all clamped. Turn the whole film holder upside down (4 protruding pins pointing up in scanner) and insert into the leafscan CAREFULLY (so the film is held in the scanner emulsion side up). Slide the film holder into the slot: it offers an initial resistance. Push gently until it offers a second resistance. Then push again until it offers a third resistance. 8-bit Versus 16-bit Images - note that we will use 16 bits in general At this stage the user must decide whether 8-bit (256 grey levels) or 16-bit (65536 grey levels) images are required. 8 bits are OK if the density range is correctly chosen, but there is no reproducible way to do this. It is best to use 16 bit, which doesn't require any density scaling, and which can be correctly converted to optical density, which is the log of transmission. Starting the Scanner Program Start Adobe Photoshop 4 by selecting it on the menu under the apple, at the top left of the screen. Select file/import/Leafscan 2.2 SCSI, which is called a plug-in for photoshop. There will be a delay while the software loads and recognizes the scanner. Setting the Parameters Having clicked on the LeafScan 2.2 SCSI plug in, click on the top left panel and select 6x12 cm 1:1 max. Click on the next panel down and select B&W negative. Then click on calibrate. This corrects for bulb drift and is necessary when changing between different film holders. The film holder must ejected and removed for calibration. If you want 5 µm/pixel, select 3x12 cm 2:1 max. The prescan will cover a longer area than the film, but you can crop this later. If the area you want to scan is near the center of the film, you can also use smaller film formats, but remember that you must recalibrate after changing film size. If you want to scan the whole film (ie a strip wider than 6 cm) at 20 µm, use 5x4 inch. N.B. Calibration should be performed once the scanner has been allowed to warm up for 30 minutes. Recalibration may be necessary if the selection made in the top left panel is changed at any stage, but normally once per day is enough if the scanner has been on continuously. The plug-in usually informs the user whenever this is necessary. When CALIBRATE is selected a message appears, click on RECALIBRATE, and wait for this to be completed. If it has already been calibrated, you can download the existing calibration. Prescanning the Image Insert the film holder (pins up). Click on PRESCAN to display the whole image. There are several procedures that need to be performed before a final image can be scanned. (a) Unlock the height padlock by clicking on it. Select % as the unit for width, mm for height, and dpi for the resolution. Enter 100 in the width window and lock it by clicking on the padlock. (b) Above the prescanned image are a series of icons in a row. Click on the left hand icon (it looks like a square with a diagonal through it) and a rectangle should appear somewhere in the prescanned image. This is the crop box. Using the mouse, drag this rectangle to the region in which you are interested. To change the size of the crop-box drag the edges in or out. (c) Now look in MORE SETTINGS to check whether the image is scanned as 8-bit or 16-bit. A tick will appear next to 16-bit if this is the case. To change it drag down to 16-bit and release mouse button and another window will pop-up to allow the change to be made. (d) The resolution, in dots per inch (dpi) must now be set. This depends on the magnification of the EM, and the anticipated resolution available or required. Pixel sizes (for 100% width) are as follows: Resolution (dpi) Pixel Size (microns) Film format setting 5080 5 3x12 cm 2540 10 6x12 cm 1270 20 6x12 or 5x4 inch The above resolutions are the only values that should be used, as they are the only ones that give exact pixel sizes on the CCD. You should work out what the pixel size in Angstroms will be, and choose a scan resolution that will give you 2x oversampling, i.e. the pixel size should be 1/4 of the desired resolution. E.g., for 20 Å resolution, scan at 5 Å/pixel. Then click on the image itself and the dimensions of the image (in pixels) should be updated, as well as the final image size (in bytes). ALWAYS remember to click on the image after altering width/height/resolution to update these measurements, otherwise they are misleading. Make sure that the width and resolution have not changed. (e) Now the image must be focussed. Click on the right-most icon above the prescanned image (looks like an old camera bellows) and a green line should appear on the prescanned image. Drag this line to the region of interest in your negative (selected by the crop-box) and position on a feature containing good contrast, e.g. edge of a hole, or an ice cyrstal. Click on FOCUS and follow the instructions. (f) We will normally use 16 bit, so no contrast adjustment is necessary. However, if you want to use 8 bits, the image must be balanced for contrast and brightness. Click on the second from left icon above the prescanned image (a box of graded tone with two arrows pointing out of it). A blue box appears on the prescanned image. The image within this box is used to set the minimum (white) and maximum (black) values for the grayscale. It can be dragged and enlarged/shrunk using the mouse. After positioning the blue box, click on APPLY and the contrast will change. This can be done as many times as necessary until the balance is right. It should be positioned so as to avoid features which are of no interest (specks of dust, scratches) which are brighter/darker than the real features in the image. The contrast rectangle does not need to coincide with the crop box. Second Prescan If the cropped area is very small and you cannot distinguish the features in it, or you just want to check it before the final scan, a second prescan should be made at this stage. This is done by holding down the ALT key on the keyboard (bottom row). This changes the PRESCAN icon to 'CROPPED', and clicking on CROPPED will prescan the cropped image. Final Scan Now the image can be scanned. FIRST note the image pixel dimensions. (Otherwise you will have to get them later in PHOTOSHOP by IMAGE/SIZE). Then click on FINAL SCAN, and follow the messages. At the end of the Final Scan, the user is returned to Photoshop. At this stage the film holder is automatically ejected. If for any reason a scan fails or is aborted the user MUST EJECT the film holder by clicking on EJECT before attempting to remove it. After the FINAL SCAN the image is displayed in PHOTOSHOP. 16-bit images may look very black (it can be checked by clicking on IMAGE/ADJUST/LEVELS to see the histogram [you may have to use image/mode to convert to 8 bit in order to do this] and manipulating the upper and lower levels to redisplay the image. [NOTE: after this operation when you close the image you will be asked to SAVE CHANGES? to the image: DO NOT save, as you will lose gray levels). To scan another image the user must go back to FILE/IMPORT in PHOTOSHOP and reload the LEAFSCAN 2.2 SCSI plug-in. Saving the Image Save the image as "raw", with file type "raw". It can also be saved as TIFF. Use Mac byte ordering unless you want to use the image on a PC. Check the pixel dimensions at this point if you forgot to get them before, otherwise you will not be able to convert the file on the unix system. To do this, you need image size under the image menu. 16 bit images need to be converted to 8 bit in order to access this command, as above. Additional Information After a FINAL SCAN you may wish to scan another portion of the same image. This can be speeded up by clicking on RELOAD in the plug-in. This sometimes works and avoids the need to PRESCAN again. This method should also reload the position of the last crop-box too but it alters the image dimensions and resolution so these must be reset. File backup and transfer Images should not be left on the mac disk. They should be transferred to your unix space, and deleted from the mac. Files left on the mac may be deleted by other users. When you are ready to write a set of files on a CD, transfer them all to the mac and write the CD. Be sure to delete them afterwards. CD writing requires a lot of empty disk space. Sending Images Across the Network Images can be transferred as BINARY with the ftp program FETCH. Converting raw images into SPIDER or MRC Leafscanned images can be converted into SPIDER format using the CP RAW command in SPIDER . This asks whether it is 8, 16, or 32 bit data; the input filename; the image dimensions (see above); the header size (0 for raw; 896 for NIH Image and 598 for PHOTOSHOP TIFF images); which byte is significant (enter 1); and an output filename. For MRC format, convert 16 bit raw images with raw2mrc16, and 8 bit with raw2mrc8. Raw to MRC conversion requires the pixel dimensions nx, ny-1, i.e. you must subtract 1 from the second dimension, because the last line of data is lost in this conversion.