Subject: Re: Processing E-4 and film in London Date sent: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:36:59 +0100 From: Gavin Wrigley To: "Infrared" Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl Andy Finney sent an email on 7/5/00 8:31 pm and had this to say: > >Argentum in Harley Street London used to process the old infrared >film. Aparently they also do AR-5, but have yet to try them. Are they still based in the basement of the Royal College of Medicine?? TTFN Gavin ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot. ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** http://www.coolmint.com ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** From: Jason Revell To: "'infrared@a1.nl'" Subject: RE: Processing E-4 and film in London Date sent: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:02:27 +0100 Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl >Andy Finney sent an email on 7/5/00 8:31 pm and had this to say: >> >>Argentum in Harley Street London used to process the old infrared >>film. >Aparently they also do AR-5, but have yet to try them. >Are they still based in the basement of the Royal College of Medicine?? >TTFN >Gavin When I spoke to them a couple of months ago, they sai they were doing AR5. But after a little questioning they admitted it was not Kodak's AR5 but infact a mix that they had that "gives the same results". I will be testing this once the students have left here and I have a little more time on my hands. Though I am hopeful of this processing, they also told me when they were still doing E4 that it gave better results than E6 on the 'new' EIR film. I was slightly dubious about that and when I tested it it made no difference apart from the contrast and colour saturation seemed,if anything,to be a bit higher. I'll report whenI have tried it out and I do have someone down at the Tate Gallery trying out the process so I shall see if I can speak to her. Jason Revell jason.revell@unn.ac.uk Date sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:13:16 -0500 To: infrared@a1.nl From: Gary Beasley Subject: Re:Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl At 02:15 PM 3/28/02 +0100, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:14:56 -0500 >From: Darryl Baird >Subject: Re: Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing > >Hello all, > >I have some exposed rolls of E-6 infrared (from Rolland Elliot) and was asking >the local labs about processing without the infrared sensor. So far nobody here >in central Michigan wants to process this film. So.... I thought I might try >the Unicolor, 3-step E-6 chemistry. > >Anyone with ANY experience with this chemistry? > >thanks > >Darryl Baird I used a Unicolor kit a very long time ago on EIR (E-4!) and the instructions said to increase the development time in the first developer by a certain amount for that film. This most likely has changed with the new film but it wouldn't hurt to check it out with the Unicolor people if you can find a contact. From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: infrared@a1.nl Date sent: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:00:41 +0100 Subject: Re:Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl On 28 Mar 02 at 15:13, Gary Beasley wrote: > At 02:15 PM 3/28/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:14:56 -0500 > >From: Darryl Baird > >Subject: Re: Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing > > > >Hello all, > > > >I have some exposed rolls of E-6 infrared (from Rolland Elliot) and was > >asking the local labs about processing without the infrared sensor. So far > >nobody here in central Michigan wants to process this film. So.... I thought > >I might try the Unicolor, 3-step E-6 chemistry. > > > >Anyone with ANY experience with this chemistry? > > > >thanks > > > >Darryl Baird > I used a Unicolor kit a very long time ago on EIR (E-4!) and the > instructions said to increase the development time in the first developer by a > certain amount for that film. This most likely has changed with the new film > but it wouldn't hurt to check it out with the Unicolor people if you can find > a contact. Anyone having these E4-instructions at hand? Still have a brick or two of this film in my freezer....I guess I can forget Kodak Switzerland by now (just as happened with Kodachrome 120 in the UK, final last batch processed around fall last year, without letting me know....with a few exposed ones also still in the freezer....;(( Is the Unicolor concept general enough to apply the same adjustments to any other E6 process? Perhaps even at a normal lab, only fiddling with push/pull development? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] Date sent: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:16:48 -0500 To: infrared@a1.nl From: Gary Beasley Subject: Re:Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl At 02:27 PM 3/30/02 +0100, you wrote: > > I used a Unicolor kit a very long time ago on EIR (E-4!) and the > > instructions said to increase the development time in the first developer by > > a certain amount for that film. This most likely has changed with the new > > film but it wouldn't hurt to check it out with the Unicolor people if you > > can find a contact. > >Anyone having these E4-instructions at hand? >Still have a brick or two of this film in my freezer....I guess I can >forget Kodak Switzerland by now (just as happened with Kodachrome 120 >in the UK, final last batch processed around fall last year, without >letting me know....with a few exposed ones also still in the >freezer....;(( >Is the Unicolor concept general enough to apply the same adjustments >to any other E6 process? Perhaps even at a normal lab, only fiddling >with push/pull development? > >- -- >Bye, > >Willem-Jan Markerink I mistakenly developed an EIR roll once without the corrections and looks like what mostly showed was the reds and some of the yellows. If the unicolor kits does this to your roll (admittedly an expensive experiment) you might need to increase the first developer time. Hopefully the differential development problem between the color layers has been fixed with this film and extending the time will merely push process it. BTW Willem-Jan the first developer is where you normally push/pull process an E-6 film. I'm not sure if the Unicolor problem back then was merely a PH problem with that chemistry or something to do with the E-4 film, the Kodak kits required no such corrections. From: "phillip geller" To: Subject: Re: Re:Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing Date sent: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:25:53 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re:Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing > On 28 Mar 02 at 15:13, Gary Beasley wrote: > > > At 02:15 PM 3/28/02 +0100, you wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:14:56 -0500 > > >From: Darryl Baird > > >Subject: Re: Color Infrared & Unicolor E-6 processing > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > >I have some exposed rolls of E-6 infrared (from Rolland Elliot) and was asking > > >the local labs about processing without the infrared sensor. So far nobody > > >here in central Michigan wants to process this film. So.... I thought I might > > >try the Unicolor, 3-step E-6 chemistry. > > > > > >Anyone with ANY experience with this chemistry? > > > > > >thanks > > > > > >Darryl Baird > > I used a Unicolor kit a very long time ago on EIR (E-4!) and the > > instructions said to increase the development time in the first developer > > by a certain amount for that film. This most likely has changed with the new > > film but it wouldn't hurt to check it out with the Unicolor people if > > you can find a contact. > > Anyone having these E4-instructions at hand? > Still have a brick or two of this film in my freezer....I guess I can > forget Kodak Switzerland by now (just as happened with Kodachrome 120 > in the UK, final last batch processed around fall last year, without > letting me know....with a few exposed ones also still in the > freezer....;(( > Is the Unicolor concept general enough to apply the same adjustments > to any other E6 process? Perhaps even at a normal lab, only fiddling > with push/pull development? Unicolor's E4 kit didn't include prehardener or neutralizer like Kodak's and it had to be run at a low temperature to keep the emulsion from falling off the support. I used their E4 and E 6 kits a couple of times and the color was never consistent. I had much better luck with the kits made by Tetenal that were marketed by Besseler in the US. phillip geller photography (25 years ago part of my job was running and maintaining an ektachrome 16mm film processor. I also did 1 to 2 runs of 35mm transparencies by hand every day. Not a problem when you have 30 gallons of chemistry on hand!) Phil phillip geller photography http://pages.prodigy.net/filje