From: "Rolland Elliott" To: infrared@a1.nl Subject: KODAK ANNOUNCES NEW AEROCHROME III COOR Infrared Film 1443 C41 PROCESSING! Date sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:04:05 -0500 Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl FROM KODAK'S WEB PAGE: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/government/aerial/products/film/infrared.shtml NEW AEROCHROME III Infrared Film 1443 False-color reversal film, high dimensional stability for vegetation surveys, camouflage detection and earth resources. Replacing AEROCHROME II Infrared Film 2443, 1443 Film features: Lower contrast for improved shadow and highlight detail Higher resolution for sharper images New processing options, including Process C-41 Enhanced color balance for easier information extraction Improved film backing reduces static and scratching for cleaner film scanning THIS FILM IS AVAILABLE IN 70MM X100' AND 35MM X150' FEET ONLY. (ALONG WITH SOME HUGE AERIAL CAMERA SIZES THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT USE) I'M NOT SURE IF THIS NEW EMULSION WILL REPLACE EIR OR NOT. KODAK'S 2001 L-9 CATALOG SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE IN 35MM 36EXP CANISTERS. I'LL PROBABLY BUY A BULK ROLL TO TEST OUT THE NEW EMULSION AND ALSO PROCESS IT IN C-41 TO SEE HOW IT DOES! AS I MENTIONED IN MY LAST POST I WAS NOT THRILLED WITH RESULTS OF XPROCESSED EIR. MAYBE THIS FILM WILL BE DIFFERENT! PEACE, ROLLAND _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Date sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:09:52 -0500 From: "James Bielecki" To: Subject: Re: New Kodak Aerochrome III Infrared Film Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl > From: "Rolland Elliott" > Subject: KODAK ANNOUNCES NEW AEROCHROME III COOR Infrared Film 1443 C41 > PROCESSING! > I'M NOT SURE IF THIS NEW EMULSION WILL REPLACE EIR OR NOT. KODAK'S 2001 L-9 > CATALOG SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE IN 35MM 36EXP > CANISTERS. > PEACE, ROLLAND If memory serves, it took Kodak about 6-10 months before the current Aerochrome II 2443 was made available in 35mm 36 exposure canisters. Perhaps they'll do the same with this new color infrared film Jim Bielecki Silviculturist Forest Management Division Michigan Department of Natural Resources 1732 West M-32, Gaylord MI. 49735 Date sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:06:34 -0500 From: "James Bielecki" To: Subject: Re: New Kodak Aerochrome III Infrared Film Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl > From: "Rolland Elliott" > Subject: KODAK ANNOUNCES NEW AEROCHROME III COOR Infrared Film 1443 C41 > PROCESSING! > I'M NOT SURE IF THIS NEW EMULSION WILL REPLACE EIR OR NOT. KODAK'S 2001 L-9 > CATALOG SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE IN 35MM 36EXP > CANISTERS. > PEACE, ROLLAND After perusing the Kodak PDF file on this new film, I noticed that it can be produce either transparencies or negatives depending on the chemicals used to process it. If you need CIR transparencies, process this film in AR-5; if you want CIR negatives, you process it in C-41. Pretty nifty. Jim Bielecki Silviculturist Forest Management Division Michigan Department of Natural Resources 1732 West M-32, Gaylord MI. 49735 From: "phillip geller" To: Subject: Re: Bulk buying of Re: KODAK ANNOUNCES NEW AEROCHROME III COLOR Infrared Film C41 Date sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:24:46 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl Let's hope the local "Photos in 1 hour" lab can handle the film too! Looking the the tech info, anyone know how this lot compares to regular in store C-41 processing?? "Regular" C-41 development is 3min 15sec @ 100 deg F. Subject: Re: Bulk buying of Re: KODAK ANNOUNCES NEW AEROCHROME III COLOR Infrared Film C41 Date sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:15:16 +0100 From: Gavin Wrigley To: "Infrared" Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl > On 12/4/01 11:09 pm, Rolland Elliott ran wild over the keyboard and > managed to type: >> >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT SINCE THIS FILM IS SO NEW, AND NO ONE HAS >> REALLY SHOT ANY PICTURES WITH IT YET. I CAN'T ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS >> ABOUT IT, SUCH AS WHAT THE BEST FILM SPEED TO USE IS. HOPEFULLY WITH ALL OF YOU >> BUYING AND TESTING THIS FILM THESE TYPE OF QUESTIONS WILL SOON BE ANSWERED. I >> WOULD GUESS FILM SPEED WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE OLD VERSION OF COLOR INFRARED >> FILM > > Let's hope the local "Photos in 1 hour" lab can handle the film too! > > Looking the the tech info, anyone know how this lot compares to regular > in store C-41 processing?? http://www.kodak.com/US/en/government/aerial/technicalPubs/tiDocs/ti2562/ti 2562.shtml#C-41%20Processing C-41 Processing This film may be processed in KODAK FLEXICOLOR Chemicals for Process C-41. To achieve results like Process AN-6, use a development time of 3'45" at 92°F (33.3°C) with a basic replenishment rate of 105 mL/ft2. Substitute AN-6 Developer using a developer time of 3'00" at 90°F (32.2°C) for increased productivity. Note: Do not use KODAK FLEXICOLOR Developer LORR, as the low tank turnover would be insufficient to maintain proper chemical equilibrium and sensitometric control. All Dutch to me, help!! :) TTFN Gavin ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** Do the words need changing ? ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ Coolmint Designs. http://www.coolmint.com ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** From: Mr645@aol.com Date sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:35:59 EDT Subject: Re: Bulk buying of Re: KODAK ANNOUNCES NEW AEROCHROME III COLOR Infrared Film C41 To: infrared@a1.nl, minty@nildram.co.uk Send reply to: infrared@a1.nl In a message dated 4/12/01 7:17:11 PM, minty@nildram.co.uk writes: << This film may be processed in KODAK FLEXICOLOR Chemicals for Process C-41. To achieve results like Process AN-6, use a development time of 3'45" at 92°F (33.3°C) with a basic replenishment rate of 105 mL/ft2. Substitute AN-6 Developer using a developer time of 3'00" at 90°F (32.2°C) for increased productivity. Note: Do not use KODAK FLEXICOLOR Developer LORR, as the low tank turnover would be insufficient to maintain proper chemical equilibrium and sensitometric control. All Dutch to me, help!! :) TTFN Gavin >> Ok, basically it means: Normal C-41 development is 3:15 at 100°F. Each 3-4° is about one stop, so normal development at a typical photo lab will be a little push process. I don;t see this as a problem, well at least not big enough of a problem to fight to find a lab willing to adjust their C-41 line. The main reason that the LORR, or high speed bleach/Fix C-41 is not suggested is probably because the film has a a lot of Formadahyde by todays film standards. Kodak VPL was another film that was suggested to be used in the longer C-41 process. Anyway, the only probably that may arise from running a roll or two would be retained silver on the film. Rebleaching and foxing will correct this and can be done even months after processing. If your running 50 rolls a week in the the LORR chemistry then it may cause problems but not a few rolls. Jon