FROM: "Shane Williams" SUBJECT: Re: Electro Rustproofing DATE: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:09:23 +1000 ORGANIZATION: OzEmail Ltd, Australia NEWSGROUPS: aus.cars.offroad "Cam" wrote in message news:397d8997@grissom... > Can anyone set the story straight over the 'electronic' rustproofing method? > Is it fact or fiction? What are the best brands, if any? > > I have been given a price of $895.00 for a 'CounterAct' system. Does > anybody have one fitted and how is it going? > > Should I stick to normal rustproofing methods? What should I do as I intend > to go to Fraser or Morten Island three or four times a year. > > Cam > cammcneill@powerup.com.au Check out the WEB address http://www.erps.com.au. This system is similar to the 'CounterAct' (within the limitations of their Patent I suspect) but half the price. It is manufactured on the Gold Coast and the best thing about it is they sell kits so you can install it yourself. I've just purchased mine but haven't finished the installation yet. Maybe next weekend! My FWD is 10 years old but very little existing rust. Won't know how good the ERPS system is for a couple of years I suppose. They seem to have good references and the mags don't say anything negative about them. We'll see... I've owned cars before that used 'traditional' rust proofing and they were the only ones that rusted. The stuff was sticky and seemed to attract dirt and road grime. Ended up blocking the drain holes in the front doors so you can guess the rest. Shane FROM: "Steve Pickering" SUBJECT: Re: ERPS Rustproofing DATE: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:52:24 +1000 ORGANIZATION: University of Queensland NEWSGROUPS: aus.cars.offroad "Shaun Brady" wrote in message news:uFuJ5.7330$Xx3.32411@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au... > "Brad Smith" wrote in message > news:39f60d8f@grissom... > > I am thinking about getting erps electronic > > rustproofing fitted to my GU Patrol > > has anyone had this fitted to there car > > and if so how is it going. > > > How much do these systems cost anyway? > Check out these websites for info and pricing. Counteract should be similar but they don't have pricing on their site. Steve http://www.erps.com.au/ http://www.motorcare.com.au/erps.htm http://www.counteract.com.au/ -- Steve Pickering 1983 MQ Patrol http://www.emucities.com/emu/hobbies/uqunder10s/ FROM: "Robbo" SUBJECT: Re: ERPS Rustproofing DATE: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:29:42 +1000 ORGANIZATION: Pacific Internet (Australia) NEWSGROUPS: aus.cars.offroad Brad Smith wrote in message news:39f60d8f@grissom... > I am thinking about getting erps electronic > rustproofing fitted to my GU Patrol > has anyone had this fitted to there car > and if so how is it going. > > Cheers > Brad Gday brad I went into this fairly extensively and pestered almost every person i could think of for their opinion. I didn't end up getting it for 1 main reason..... every panel beater i spoke to that had seen the effects seemed to be fairly convinced that it did some good (i was looking at counteract) BUT!! if there was already small parts of rust in the vehicle they were eaten away at an alarming rate till it was back to the original, so they needed attention for large holes which hadn't even been noticeable b4. and my car already had some rust. But bear in mind this was only about 4 people's opinions that had seen it in the trade. If i had a newer car i wouldve definately been convinced to install it. maybe for my next car then. :) cyas, Rob (84 4runner) Date sent: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:49:53 +1100 From: Brian Monger To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] Lord of Rust - Not Diesel Related On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 06:00:39PM -0800, Greg Bowie wrote: > This link came up through the LCML. Seems to be based in Austrailia. Any of > you Auzzies heard about it. Too good to be true? > > http://www.counteract.com.au/index.html > > gb Anything that seems too good to be true, usually is. I'm by no means an electrical or electronics engineer, but we spent plenty of time studying corrosion mechanics in materisal science, and the bottom line was then (about 6 - 7 years ago) that it is impossible to electrically protect 'free-air' structures from corrosion by active or passive means - for 'sacrificial anodic protection' to work, like the lumps of zinc they bolt to ships, the protected body must be immersed in the electrolyte, ie seawater. for free air structures, like cars, the electrical corrosion happens on a localised site basis, where crud builds up between layers of metal, abrades the paint away, and allows moisture to be retained with some minerals to provide the necessary electron transfer. Their speil about "forming an excess field of ION's" (sic) is interesting to say the least - the only device in which this can occur is in a capacitor, and a capacitor requires TWO plates, one of which is depleted of electrons (+ve side) and one which is 'enriched' with electrons (-ve side), both sides being effectively ionised - and will only stay charged if there is very very high resistance between the plates. if you charge the frame of your truck up with electrons, you have to store an equal deficit of electrons somewhere else. If the frame of your truck is 'negatively charged' all the time, every time you walk up to your truck and touch it, you will (a) get a tingle (b) the charge will leak away - tell me they sell car batteries too? I'd say the best way to keep the rust gremlins at bay is the time honoured method of fish oil in all the internals, keep the paint on the outside in good nick, and a fresh coat of underseal putty every second year, more or less according to sand/salt/mud driving. 'course, I could be wrong, but things like this go in the same bag with 'Hiclone' http://www.hicloneqld.com/hiclone.htm, and the fuel additives that promise more power and better tire wear ;) save your money and put it towards that locker you've been dreaming of. Brian