From: Hugo Gävert To: "EOS-list" Date sent: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:50:48 +0200 Subject: EOS: The Impossible Picture? Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.FI Hi! I stumbled across an old email in my mailbox from WJM. In that email Willem mentioned a Canon brochure for the TS-E lenses called 'The Impossible Picture'. It's probably now unavailable... but does anybody know if it's available anywhere? Online? Does the new (Dutch) Canon Pro web-site have a email address where I could send email asking for this? (No, I could not find this from their web-site...) (I know that WJM is probably the one who might know, but this might intrest the rest of you too...) Best regards, Hugo. ************************************************************ ** Hugo Gävert ** ** hugo@cc.hut.fi http://www.hut.fi/~hugo ** ************************************************************ ** Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent ** ** life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none ** ** of it has tried to contact us. -- Calvin. ** ************************************************************ From: "Markus Proske" To: Date sent: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:07:23 +0100 Subject: EOS: Re: The Impossible Picture? Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.fi -snip- > Hi! > > I stumbled across an old email in my mailbox from WJM. In that email Willem > mentioned a Canon brochure for the TS-E lenses called 'The Impossible > Picture'. It's probably now unavailable... but does anybody know if it's > available anywhere? Online? Does the new (Dutch) Canon Pro web-site have a > email address where I could send email asking for this? (No, I could not > find this from their web-site...) > > (I know that WJM is probably the one who might know, but this might intrest > the rest of you too...) > >Best regards, > Hugo. Once more, it's me...I finally got the brochure directly from Canon Austria. Just a couple of pages, showing the effects of shift, tilt and shift+tilt together (some nice pictures). A small comparison between 4x5 and 35mm showing that you can do things formerly limited to 4x5 now, when using TS-E lenses. Last page are the specs of all 3 TS-E lenses. Conclusion: Nice to look at, nice to have - but not exciting at all. Greetings from Austria -Markus Proske Date sent: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:38:56 +0300 (EET DST) From: Hugo Gävert To: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.FI Subject: Re: EOS: Re: The Impossible Picture? Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.FI On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Markus Proske wrote: > Once more, it's me...I finally got the brochure directly from Canon > Austria. Just a couple of pages, showing the effects of shift, tilt > and shift+tilt together (some nice pictures). A small comparison > between 4x5 and 35mm showing that you can do things formerly limited > to 4x5 now, when using TS-E lenses. Last page are the specs of all 3 > TS-E lenses. > Conclusion: Nice to look at, nice to have - but not exciting at all. > > Greetings from Austria > -Markus Proske Thanks for the info! Seems that I'm not missing that much after all. Bye, Hugo. ************************************************************ ** Hugo Gävert ** ** hugo@cc.hut.fi http://www.hut.fi/~hugo ** ************************************************************ ** Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent ** ** life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none ** ** of it has tried to contact us. -- Calvin. ** ************************************************************ From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.fi Date sent: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:08:23 +0100 Subject: Re: EOS: Re: The Impossible Picture? Priority: normal Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.fi On 29 Mar 00 at 23:07, Markus Proske wrote: > Once more, it's me...I finally got the brochure directly from Canon > Austria. Just a couple of pages, showing the effects of shift, tilt > and shift+tilt together (some nice pictures). A small comparison > between 4x5 and 35mm showing that you can do things formerly limited > to 4x5 now, when using TS-E lenses. Last page are the specs of all 3 > TS-E lenses. > Conclusion: Nice to look at, nice to have - but not exciting at all. Ahem, it lists formula's & calculations that until then had not been released in any English publication. Definately more extensive than Canon Lens Work, at least on the subject of tilt. -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Markus Proske" To: Subject: Re: EOS: Re: The Impossible Picture? Date sent: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:16:23 +0100 Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.fi > > Conclusion: Nice to look at, nice to have - but not exciting at all. > > Ahem, it lists formula's & calculations that until then had not been > released in any English publication. Definately more extensive than > Canon Lens Work, at least on the subject of tilt. Are we talking about the same? On my request for "The impossible picture" Canon sent me a small paper, 10 pages. Small description follows: Title: Canon TS-E Lenses, all lenses named, at the bottum a picture, showing the 24, the 90 and then 45 mounted on an EOS1. Page 2/3: Showing Tilt Effects - two pictures in a park and two pictures of roses. Page 4/5: Shift: two pictures of skyscrapers and two a glass-covered poster. Page 6: tilt & shift combined (candles in a row, diagonally). Page 7-9: technical data of all three lenses, recommandations,... So Jan, is this "The impossible picture?" Greetings from Austria -Markus From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.FI Date sent: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:50:15 +0100 Subject: Re: EOS: Re: The Impossible Picture? Priority: normal Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.FI On 10 Apr 00 at 16:16, Markus Proske wrote: > > > Conclusion: Nice to look at, nice to have - but not exciting at > all. > > > > Ahem, it lists formula's & calculations that until then had not been > > released in any English publication. Definately more extensive than > > Canon Lens Work, at least on the subject of tilt. > > Are we talking about the same? On my request for "The impossible > picture" Canon sent me a small paper, 10 pages. Small description > follows: > > Title: Canon TS-E Lenses, all lenses named, at the bottum a picture, > showing the 24, the 90 and then 45 mounted on an EOS1. > > Page 2/3: Showing Tilt Effects - two pictures in a park and two > pictures of roses. > Page 4/5: Shift: two pictures of skyscrapers and two a glass-covered > poster. > Page 6: tilt & shift combined (candles in a row, diagonally). > Page 7-9: technical data of all three lenses, recommandations,... > > So Jan, is this "The impossible picture?" Nope, TIP has it's name literally on the cover ("Canon TS-E lenses/The Impossible Picture), is 20 pages A4, strawberries plants shot from below on the cover, with most prominent shots inside being those of a toy locomotive positioned in a artificial/drawing grid. Shot by a Dutch team for Canon Europe, 1994, Canon code "ZC6 - 2505 Eng". There is another document (also discontinued/out-of-print I believe), a greyish 11x21cm booklet, "Canon TS-E Lenses", with cross-sectional views of all 3 lenses on the cover, 20 pages, 1992, shot by the same Dutch team, also for Canon Europe, inside-title: 'a slice of space', no Canon code listed. Note that I have asked my contact at Canon Europe more than once to consider either a) reprinting both brochures, b) allowing others (me) to scan it and put it online, or c) putting it online themselves (especially after the CPS-site was launched). The most practical problem is of course that the print-copyright lays with Canon, while putting it online would require authorisation from all photographers involved, even if Canon would put it online themselves. I even have the phone number of one of the Dutch photographers somewhere in my files, but that is only a partial help....authorisation has to come from more than once source. This message BCC'ed to my contact at CENV, perhaps another reminder might do the trick, one way or the other....;-)) Perhaps he could even provide me with the 3rd brochure, the one Canon Austria sent to you....my TS-E library has to stay complete....:-)) (it was English, right?....does it show a Canon code on the back?....printed/copyright by Canon Europe, or Canon USA/Japan?) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Markus Proske" To: Subject: Re: EOS: Re: The Impossible Picture? Date sent: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:54:34 +0100 Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.FI > Perhaps he could even provide me with the 3rd brochure, the one > Canon Austria sent to you....my TS-E library has to stay complete....:-)) > (it was English, right?....does it show a Canon code on the > back?....printed/copyright by Canon Europe, or Canon USA/Japan?) Title: TS-E Lenses TS-E 24mm f/3.5L TS-E 45mm f/2.8 TS-E 90mm f/2.8 Picture of all lenses with one EOS 1. Subtitle inside: Tilt+Shift Lenses Produce Special Effects Not Possible With Ordinary Lenses. Printed in Japan, (c) 1992 PUB.C-E1-TS-EA 1292Sz4.1 (don't know, if that's the code). I'd love to have the other two..... bye -Markus Proske Date sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:14:18 +0300 (EET DST) From: Hugo Gävert To: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.fi Subject: Re: EOS: Re: The Impossible Picture? Send reply to: eos@avocado.pc.Helsinki.FI On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > Note that I have asked my contact at Canon Europe more than once to > consider either a) reprinting both brochures, b) allowing others > (me) to scan it and put it online, or c) putting it online > themselves (especially after the CPS-site was launched). I really hope they would put these available online as PDFs. Good PDFs can be done even from scanned pages afaik. Prochures like these are just the things that should be available at the new "Pro" site at least (actually from normal Canon sites too!). Putting these online is cheap for Canon and gives great information to the customers (who will ruch into the shops to buy these great lenses after they see what they can do with them!). Also the current body/lens prochures as well as the less known technical references (larger more detailed) could be put online with very little effort and with no cost. Just convert the PS-file that is sent to the printer to a PDF-file... Cheap and easy, but they just don't seem to get it. (Many computer companies have prochures available as PDFs at their web-sites.) Bye, Hugo. ************************************************************ ** Hugo Gävert ** ** hugo@cc.hut.fi http://www.hut.fi/~hugo ** ************************************************************ ** Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent ** ** life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none ** ** of it has tried to contact us. -- Calvin. ** ************************************************************