FROM: "Steve" SUBJECT: Diesel smoke DATE: 26 May 1999 22:13:09 GMT ORGANIZATION: Ireland On-Line NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 Hey boys & girls, Tell me how much should my 2.5 turbo diesel smoke ??????? Steve FROM: "moses" SUBJECT: Re: Diesel smoke DATE: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:23:35 GMT ORGANIZATION: Bell Solutions NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 Steve wrote in message <01bea7c4$dc6e5740$8d93cbc1@default>... >Hey boys & girls, >Tell me how much should my 2.5 turbo diesel smoke ??????? At start up, a tiny tiny tiny amount. If you blow enough that you can notice it from the drivers seat, then you are (IMHO) blowing too much. Things you should check: Your Air Filter - if your air filter is blocked, you are effectively driving with the choke on, and this will lead to smoke. More importantly tho, it will lead to carbonisation of your system. Buy a new filter. It is cheap, and it is worth it. Make sure your Injectors are working fine - if not, you can be not getting a good mist, and the same as above can occur. Either way, if you don't care about how long you are going to keep your truck, a bit of smoke doesn't matter, if you care (like I do, coz I think mine is a classic) then don't drive too many K's before getting a good D mechanic to check it out! Ian FROM: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) SUBJECT: Re: Diesel smoke DATE: Fri, 28 May 99 01:46:54 GMT ORGANIZATION: A1 Internet news-server NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 In article <01bea7c4$dc6e5740$8d93cbc1@default>, "Steve" wrote: >Hey boys & girls, >Tell me how much should my 2.5 turbo diesel smoke ??????? A TD can smoke a lot more than a normally aspirated diesel, especially at full throttle and gear-changes....assuming Ireland has the same diesel emission rules as the rest of Europe, the difference in K-factor is 2.5 vs 3.0. But while our TD Land Cruiser barely stays under 3.0, our non-aspirated diesel is at 1.0, way under the limit. Also: don't get fooled at night, with headlights behind you....any diesel will seem to smoke excessively....personally I think it is a nice way to get rid of the glare from behind....:-)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] FROM: "Steve" SUBJECT: Re: Diesel smoke DATE: 27 May 1999 21:15:00 GMT ORGANIZATION: Ireland On-Line NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 Willem-Jan Markerink wrote in article <7ik6qd$iuc$7@news.a1.nl>... > In article <01bea7c4$dc6e5740$8d93cbc1@default>, > "Steve" wrote: > >Hey boys & girls, > >Tell me how much should my 2.5 turbo diesel smoke ??????? > > A TD can smoke a lot more than a normally aspirated diesel, > especially at full throttle and gear-changes....assuming Ireland has the > same diesel emission rules as the rest of Europe, the difference in > K-factor is 2.5 vs 3.0. But while our TD Land Cruiser barely stays under > 3.0, our non-aspirated diesel is at 1.0, way under the limit. > > Also: don't get fooled at night, with headlights behind you....any diesel > will seem to smoke excessively....personally I think it is a nice way to > get rid of the glare from behind....:-)) I was wondering about the night thing. Thanks for the tip. Steve FROM: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) SUBJECT: Re: Diesel smoke DATE: Sat, 29 May 99 01:13:41 GMT ORGANIZATION: A1 Internet news-server NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 In article <01bea885$97e5f760$7693cbc1@default>, "Steve" wrote: >Willem-Jan Markerink wrote in article ><7ik6qd$iuc$7@news.a1.nl>... >> In article <01bea7c4$dc6e5740$8d93cbc1@default>, >> "Steve" wrote: >> >Hey boys & girls, >> >Tell me how much should my 2.5 turbo diesel smoke ??????? >> >> A TD can smoke a lot more than a normally aspirated diesel, >> especially at full throttle and gear-changes....assuming Ireland has the >> same diesel emission rules as the rest of Europe, the difference in >> K-factor is 2.5 vs 3.0. But while our TD Land Cruiser barely stays under >> 3.0, our non-aspirated diesel is at 1.0, way under the limit. >> >> Also: don't get fooled at night, with headlights behind you....any diesel > >> will seem to smoke excessively....personally I think it is a nice way to >> get rid of the glare from behind....:-)) >> >I was wondering about the night thing. >Thanks for the tip. >Steve > The only 'problem' with this is that the people behind you don't see nearly the amount of smoke like you do in the mirror....otherwise it would be real fun, getting rid of tailgaters this way too....;-)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] FROM: "mjr" SUBJECT: Re: Diesel smoke DATE: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:34:03 -0500 ORGANIZATION: IgLou Internet Services, Inc. NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 Steve wrote in message news:01bea818$d1b787a0$5693cbc1@default... > Thanks for the reply > The smoke is black and it happens on acceleration > both hard and soft acceleration. > > It is a mitsubishi pajero 2.5 intercooler turbo > > Steve I had a Mazda diesel 2.2 w/o a turbo. If it seemed to be smoking more on accel, I put 1 qt. of ATF in the 17 gal fuel tank and filled it up. After running the 17 gals in normal driving, the smoke would be back to what it did when it was new. FROM: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) SUBJECT: Re: Diesel smoke DATE: Sun, 30 May 99 01:32:48 GMT ORGANIZATION: A1 Internet news-server NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 In article <374f43b8.0@news.iglou.com>, "mjr" wrote: >Steve wrote in message >news:01bea818$d1b787a0$5693cbc1@default... >> Thanks for the reply >> The smoke is black and it happens on acceleration >> both hard and soft acceleration. >> >> It is a mitsubishi pajero 2.5 intercooler turbo >> > >I had a Mazda diesel 2.2 w/o a turbo. If it seemed to be smoking >more on accel, I put 1 qt. of ATF in the 17 gal fuel tank and >filled it up. After running the 17 gals in normal driving, the >smoke would be back to what it did when it was new. I only know ATF (automatic tranny fluid, for those not familiar with the acronym) when used as a replacement for engine-oil, for a very short time (few miles), to flush the engine, and remove all crud and carbon. Never heard of it being used in the fuel.... -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] FROM: sewmun@aol.com (Sewmun) SUBJECT: Re: Diesel smoke DATE: 2 Jun 1999 02:24:35 GMT ORGANIZATION: AOL http://www.aol.com NEWSGROUPS: rec.autos.4x4 One time someone ran our company truck out of fuel&I was the lucky one to drive it next.It wouldn't go over45mph I used 3-4 cans of fuel cleaner it didn't get much better.Stopped&talked with a old boy a the fuel stop told him my problem he told to try what the boys around this holler do put a half a quart in each tank when you filled up.So I figured what could I lose,it worked about 8-10mi down the road running 70 like always .The ATF has detergents that clean the injectors&lube the pump. From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: dtlc@helios.net Date sent: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:23:55 +0100 Subject: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? Copies to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net Anyone ever heard about using ATF in diesel for cleaning? I know the trick about running it for a short period/stretch instead of engine oil, but in the fuel is new to me.... [ATF is auto tranny fluid] Date sent: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:54:42 -0700 From: Chad Koehn To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net I have been told the same thing by several people. I know a few farmers that use it in their Cummins diesels, and have heard several Mercedes mechanics around here recommend that their customers use it in their diesels. I have done it in the past with no problems, but I can't say that it improved peformance at all either. Chad Koehn 1981 BJ42 3B Turbo, 1978 BJ40, 1976 FJ45 Richmond, B.C. ckoeh@cymbolic.com From: WesW71@aol.com Date sent: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:52:39 EDT Subject: Re: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? To: dtlc@helios.net Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net I have been using ATF regularly in my diesel cars for years. Seems to do a good job. THe only thing to consider with diesel in the lower 48 is the sulfer content lowering over the last few years. Some of the older cummins (ie 93-94) were designed with higher sulfur content in mind. What does it mean? parts arn't lubricated as much and problems with the wastgate and other minor problems occur earlier. From what I understand the older cummins owners are suggested to add sulfer. HTH Regards Wes W Capital Cruisers Date sent: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:42:25 -0400 From: Christophe Cuvillier To: dtlc@helios.net Subject: Re: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net Chad Koehn wrote: > > I have been told the same thing by several people. I know a few farmers that > use it in their Cummins diesels, and have heard several Mercedes mechanics > around here recommend that their customers use it in their diesels. I have > done it in the past with no problems, but I can't say that it improved > peformance at all either. I've been given the same advice myself also from a Mercedes mechanic who recommended it to protect the injection pump during winter (Note: at one time about two years ago I had a chance to pick up an old 82 300 TD for a pittance to put my old Cruiser 4x4 mechanics into (Yeah, I was dreaming I guess!!!) because the body was in such great shape (they're completely galvanized at the factory, in case you didn't know)), but haven't tried it myself. My buddy Pierre used ATF once in the tranny of his Jeep Cherokee Diesel to clean it with good results, and the tranny still works great after the equivalent of 1 million km running (he did replace the bearings after about 500,000 km, though)... I guess it would be great to use if the gears were inadvertently exposed to water after a particularly wet fording... -- Christophe Cuvillier Morin Heights, Quebec, Canada '83BJ60 "Marathon Runner", over 400,000 km Date sent: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 23:54:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? From: "ritchie" To: dtlc@helios.net Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net I've been running ATF in my diesel for years now with good results. The story I've been told is that the ATF has some natural deturgent and lubrication proporties. It was recomended due to the ever lowering sulfer content in diesel that worked as a lubricant for the injector pump. The ATF helps lubricate and prevent any resedue from forming in the injector pump. It's also said to help prevent carboning of the injectors. One diesel mechanic told me that using ATF will prolong injector life seemingly indefinitly. It's supost to out last the 3B it's self!!! -- Marc Ritchie TLCA #4591 Rocky Mountain Land Cruisers www.rmlca.ab.ca 81' BJ-42 Land Cruiser 4xDiscs, 235 85R16, Date sent: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 22:45:10 -0600 From: Roger Loving To: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com Subject: Re: [80] ATF in diesel? Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com I've heard of it, but have no personal experience. Lots of farmers swear by this practice and I've never known of a problem associated with it.....but my diesel gets filtered diesel fuel - without seasonings or ATF. Roger L From: "Dan / Maxine Loubier" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? Date sent: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:33:08 -0600 Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net From: Dana Adams > >So guys, what's the deal here? Are you supposed to add a small amount to >each tank? Every tank, every other tank, etc? How often? And how much >should you add? > >Thanks > >Dana Hello everyone in diesel land ! After all the talk about ATF I thought I would throw in my 2 bits worth :-) I too have tried the ATF in the fuel trick for quite an extended period on my old 2wd (L engine) but I was advised by my favorite service guy at the diesel injection shop not to use ATF because it ends up fouling the injectors after extended use and he said that I should use a diesel additive that is specially formulated for lubricating injection pumps and injectors He also said that if I ran out of additive that I should use synthetic 2 cycle engine oil instead in the fuel because 2 cycle engine oil is made to be burned in the combustion chamber and ATF leaves deposits in your engine specially at the injector tips because it has different properties to it !!! It made perfect sense to me since these guys specialize in diesel injection system repairs and they would see the results first hand !!! I would have to say that after that conversation 3 years ago I stopped using ATF and I went to a fuel additive made by Stanadyne and my old L engine didn't smoke *as much* in the morning :-) I do not used ATF in my fuel anymore and I usually use fuel additive every 2-3 tanks The diesel injection service man also mentioned that their business has doubled since the introduction of "low sulphur" diesel and this is why he recommended using a lubricating fuel additive (which he happens to sell right there :-) Just my 2 bits worth !!! Bye for now Dan Loubier loubier@incentre.net Peace River, Alberta, Canada 1985 BJ 70 (Maxine's truck) 1984 Hilux 4x4 extracab diesel Date sent: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:06:02 -0600 To: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com From: Bill Ferreira Subject: Re: [80] ATF in diesel? Send reply to: 80_series@sgiblab.sgi.com At 08:23 PM 6/3/99 +0100, you wrote: >Anyone ever heard about using ATF in diesel for cleaning? >I know the trick about running it for a short period/stretch instead >of engine oil, but in the fuel is new to me.... >[ATF is auto tranny fluid] This is a common "old truckers" trick here in the states but I've never seen any authentication of it's value. I used it for years and later switched to Red Line Diesel Fuel Conditioner which "seemed" to work much better. From: Matters Creig J TSgt 366 DS/SGD To: "'dtlc@helios.net'" Subject: RE: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? Date sent: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:51:32 -0600 Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net Hello all, I would tend to agree with Dan. I asked about this very subject about 10 years ago while stationed in Alaska. The injector repair guy I talked to demonstrated why ATF was a bad choice in combustion chamber use. He placed a small amount in a glass dish and proceeded to heat it with a torch. The remains were quite crystallized and hard. ATF has the most advanced lubricant/additive package due to it's demanding job requirements. However it's NOT made to burn in a combustion chamber, the 2 stroke oil ideal sounds much safer and is designed for that purpose. I've used Amsoil 2 stroke in my 2L-T for quite awhile and have had good results. This is not meant to disparage others opinions, just food for thought. Creig From: "JC" To: Subject: Re: [DTLC] ATF in diesel? Date sent: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:05:40 -0600 Send reply to: dtlc@helios.net I have also checked into this some more, and have it on reliable sources that ATF is not a good idea in the long run. I have also been in contact with a heavy trucking company that uses a diesel additive made by BiTron, with much success. They improved their mileage by 20%. I won't bore the gassers with details, so if anyone wants more info on this stuff, contact me directly. James 79BJ40