From: "ssabo" To: Subject: Rear axle slid out Date sent: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:34:31 -0500 Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Last night about a block from my house a lady was making a left hand turn, so I shifted down to 3rd gear at about 25mph to go around her right side. All of a sudden, with hardly a sound, I started slowing down and coasting to the side of the road. Once I had stooped completely I noticed that no matter what gear I put the trans in.....I was going nowhere? Tried the transfer case, thinking it may have just popped into neutral....nothing? Got out and under to check out drive shafts.....seemed ok? Tried switching the hubs into lock position and transfer case into 4wheel....now it is at least moving. Made tight left hand turn around to head back to house and while in the turn, heard a slight clunking sound coming from the rear end...but then it stooped. Started easing toward the house at about 2mph....went about 10 feet....when my right rear axle slid all the way out and the rear end just sat down on the tire. Just the very edge of the axle, where the teeth are, is a little ruff but other than that the axle seems ok. If the wheel bearing went out and the axle slid out an inch or so, is that why it quit moving in gear? ( BTW, I don't have a locker in the rear end, nor the front) What caused the axle to slide out.....is there a retaining clip on the teeth end of the axle that keeps it in the housing? And last but not least....what am I looking at to get it back on the road....it "WAS" my daily driver :-( The hub assembly and axle are still attached to the wheel....so it looks like the bearing at the end of the rear end housing is what went out, though the bear looks ok......just looks like the axle just slid out. Any and all advise, would be most appreciated.....as this is the first time, (as if you couldn't tell) this has happened to me. TIA Steve Sabo Houston, Texas 73 FJ40 "Terlingua Express" Date sent: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: John Stone Subject: Re: Rear axle slid out To: landcruisers@tlca.org Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org --- ssabo wrote: > Just the very edge of the axle, where the teeth are, is a little ruff > but > other than that the axle seems ok. If the wheel bearing went out and the > axle slid out an inch or so, is that why it quit moving in gear? ( BTW, > I > don't have a locker in the rear end, nor the front) What caused the axle > to > slide out.....is there a retaining clip on the teeth end of the axle > that > keeps it in the housing? Yes, you are the "victem" of the infamous lost C clip. From the sounds of the first sentance there, the axle has lost the ridge that retains the C clip. For why it would not move, think of what happens when you off road and a tire lifts up(and you are open diffs), the tire in the air spins. Think of your axle coming out of axle housing(even about an inch) as that tire in the air. While the axle that is out is NOT spinning, the differencial is. > And last but not least....what am I looking at to get it back on the > road....it "WAS" my daily driver :-( The hub assembly and axle are > still > attached to the wheel....so it looks like the bearing at the end of the > rear > end housing is what went out, though the bear looks ok......just looks > like > the axle just slid out. > > Any and all advise, would be most appreciated.....as this is the first > time, > (as if you couldn't tell) this has happened to me. Are you talking about a full floater or a stock US semi floater rear axle? IF it is a semi floater, from your description above, it sounds like you need to replace the whole axle shaft. === -This message by J. Stone live from San Diego, CA, mailto:j_j_stone@yahoo.com -Owner of Skunk the 75 Toyota Land Cruiser[SO, SR, 5.0TBI, SM465, PS, 4W disc, full cage, on-board air, front ARB] -TLCA member 2898 -web site with some of above mods: http://www.garlic.com/~mjstone _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Lndcrz40@aol.com Date sent: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:27:54 EDT Subject: Re: Rear axle slid out To: ssabo@ev1.net Copies to: landcruisers@tlca.org Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Steve, This happened to me also. To get home I just jacked up the rear axle and pushed the axle back into the gears. Upon further investigation I found out that the C-Clip (Well not actually a clip but more like a washer) had fallen out of the pumpkin gears. After removing the diff cover I just simply put the existing (worn) one back in but that didn't work because the next day it did the same thing. So after I bought a new "clip" that wasn't worn it works perfectly. This shouldn't cost you very much, only about 20 bucks or-so. This includes a new clip (I bought two to replace both), gear oil, new break pads (see below), and the cost of the silicon to put the diff back on. When the axle came out so did the gear oil which soaked the brake pads which ruined them. Be sure to check out the oil seal also it may of gotten chewed up when the axle slid out. Hope this helps out, Ron From: "Smith, Steve" To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: RE: Rear axle slid out Date sent: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:25:09 -0600 Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Guy brings up an excellent point. When you take your diff cover off, make sure there's a block of steel that the pinion shaft (the bar that the spider gears are turning on) is there in the middle of everything. If there's no rectangular block of steel there, with a shaft going right through it, then that's your originating problem, and you''ll need that, as well as putting a good C clip in. Steve S. From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:25:17 +0100 Subject: RE: Rear axle slid out Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org On 16 Aug 99 at 8:25, Smith, Steve wrote: > Guy brings up an excellent point. When you take your diff cover off, make > sure there's a block of steel that the pinion shaft (the bar that the spider > gears are turning on) is there in the middle of everything. If there's no > rectangular block of steel there, with a shaft going right through it, then > that's your originating problem, and you''ll need that, as well as putting a > good C clip in. Mmm? What would such a block of steel prevent from happening? The half-shaft can't go further inwards than the wheel-side allows it, and the C-clip is there to prevent it going outwards. Must say I never before have seen stories of semifloaters 'loosing it' without serious shaft damage otherwise....perhaps this is symptomatic for older Cruisers that have sat motionless for years, thereby promoting rust on the C-clip? -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: Chiro6262@cs.com Date sent: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:18:48 EST Subject: axle question To: landcruisers@tlca.org Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Got a quick question......... I'm trying to remove the third member in my cruiser and cant seem to get the axle retaining clip out. Is there an easy way to do this or a special tool needed?? Thanks.................................................................. Treye 68'Toy/let From: "Smith, Steve" To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: RE: Rear axle slid out Date sent: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:32:15 -0600 Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Willem, the half-shaft can move inwards just a bit without the thrust block in place. In fact, this is exactly how you remove the C-clip. You remove the bolt holding the pinion shaft (I hope I'm calling it right) then slide the shaft out. then you remove the thrust block, and you bump the tires inward. The C-clips will fall out. If the thrust block wasn't there. the axle could've moven in just enough to let the C-clip go free. Steve S. From: Lcruiseguy@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:23:55 EST Subject: Re: axle question To: landcruisers@tlca.org Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org In a message dated 12/1/99 12:22:17 PM Central Standard Time, Chiro6262@cs.com writes: > Got a quick question......... I'm trying to remove the third member in > my cruiser and cant seem to get the axle retaining clip out. Is there an easy > way to do this or a special tool needed?? > You need to push the axle in toward the center. The clip should just fall out. Chris From: "Jim" To: landcruisers@tlca.org Subject: Re: axle question Date sent: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:45:34 EST Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org >From: Chiro6262@cs.com > > Got a quick question......... I'm trying to remove the third member >in >my cruiser and cant seem to get the axle retaining clip out. Is there an >easy way to do this or a special tool needed?? > >Thanks.................................................................. >Treye 68'Toy/let Jack up the axel remove your tire and push the axel in from the tire mounting flange you may have to remove the brake drum also and the c-clip should fall right out.good luck. Jim M. TLCA #2142 From: "Mike Smythe" To: Subject: RE: axle question Date sent: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:40:35 -0500 Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org --> -----Original Message----- --> From: Chiro6262@cs.com --> --> Got a quick question......... I'm trying to remove the --> third member in --> my cruiser and cant seem to get the axle retaining clip --> out. Is there an --> easy way to do this or a special tool needed?? --> --> Thanks...................................................... --> ............ --> Treye 68'Toy/let Treye, A small magnetic tipped parts picker upper thingy, or mag tip screwdriver is helpful. Spin the axle so theclip is facing the rear (or to you) and push in on the wheel/axle which will free up the clip so you can snatch it with your magnet. HTH! Mike Smythe mailto:msmythe@iei.net TLCA #6469, Hoosier Cruisers, Indianapolis, Indiana, 2000 UZJ100L Mahogany Pearl, 68' FJ40 Soft Top, 2F/4 spd w/3 spd tcase, Weber 38, Jacobs Ignition, Lockrights both ends, Saginaw, 33x9.50 BFG MT's, 4" Skyjacker, 140 amp alternator. Pictures at http://www.iei.net/~msmythe/landcruiser.htm Date sent: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:51:52 -0500 To: landcruisers@tlca.org From: Michael McCulloch Subject: Re: axle question Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org At 01:18 PM 12/1/99 , you wrote: > Got a quick question......... I'm trying to remove the third member in >my cruiser and cant seem to get the axle retaining clip out. Is there an easy >way to do this or a special tool needed?? Treye 68'Toy/let No tool, no trick. Just push the axles in, wheel attached, and the clip will probably fall off. Don't even have to adjust the brakes. MGM Tampa, FL USA TLCA 6570 Tel 813-832-9400 9/85 FJ60 Kahn  8/76 FJ40 Lobo Date sent: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Stone Subject: Re: axle question To: landcruisers@tlca.org Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org --- Chiro6262@cs.com wrote: > Got a quick question......... I'm trying to remove the third member > in > my cruiser and cant seem to get the axle retaining clip out. Is there > an > easy way to do this or a special tool needed?? You need to jack the rear end up and push the axle in. Then it should be a simple matter of "rotating" the clip till it falls into all the gear oil at the bottom of the pumpkin. ===== -This message by J. Stone live from San Diego, CA, mailto:j_j_stone@yahoo.com -75 Toyota Land Cruiser[too many mods] -99 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 -TLCA member 2898 -web site with some of my Cruiser mods: http://www.garlic.com/~mjstone