Subject: Re: RVS-flex remleidingen met knevel-fitting? From: "Edmund" Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:07:30 +0200 Newsgroups: nl.auto "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote in message news:Xns9945ACB4417Ewjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.18... > Zag in het buitenland RVS-flex remleidingen met DHZ knevel-fitting, ipv > een > pers-fitting, dus zonder zwaar/duur gereedschap te monteren, ook en met > name > te velde....waar in NL kan ik die fittingen kopen, met ruime keus in > schroefdraad? > (las een tijdje terug dat die RVS-flex leidingen meer risico liepen op > knik- > breuk bij de fitting, maar juist die pers-fittingen hebben volgens mij een > lange kraag, die dat probleem waarschijnlijk verergert, itt deze (relatief > korte) knevel-fitting. Ik ken "Hoke" fittingen en de exacte naam ff kwijt, iets van "swatchlock ". Deze merken worden in de olie industrie gebruikt met RVS 316L leidingen Dunne ( remleingen) zijn zonder meer flexibel te noemen en ongevoelig voor scheuren ed. Of er een ambtenarren keurmerk op staat voor remleidingen weet ik niet maar het is er zonder meer geschikt voor. Koppelingen puntstukken ed zijn in nagenoeg alle maten te verkrijgen. BTW ze kunnen een paar honderd bar hebben :-) Subject: Re: RVS-flex remleidingen met knevel-fitting? From: Maurice Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:50:11 -0700 Newsgroups: nl.auto > Ik ken "Hoke" fittingen en de exacte naam ff kwijt, iets van "swatchlock ". > Deze merken worden in de olie industrie gebruikt met RVS 316L leidingen > Dunne ( remleingen) zijn zonder meer flexibel te noemen en ongevoelig voor > scheuren ed. Of er een ambtenarren keurmerk op staat voor remleidingen > weet ik niet maar het is er zonder meer geschikt voor. Koppelingen > puntstukken > ed zijn in nagenoeg alle maten te verkrijgen. > BTW ze kunnen een paar honderd bar hebben :-) > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Je bedoelt swagelok, http://www.swagelok.com/ mvg Maurice To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:11:50 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Stainless Steel flexible brake lines Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Jon Whitt kirjoitti: > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Willem-Jan Markerink > *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:15 PM > > > > While we are on the topic of brakes: > > Are the flexible brake lines on the Volvo compatible with some other > brand, in the context of correct fittings/screw-thread? > > Background: I have a 'two-stage' pedal/brake interaction, as if there > is air in the lines (first push only half the brake performance, > second push full performance, lasting a dozen seconds), yet dozens of > hours research by Volvo experts, testing/exchanging nearly every > crucial part/component (new slave cylinders, replaced master, booster- > surgery/inspection), haven't solved the problem....including exotic > methods as bleeding at the slave cylinders (military tip #1) and > reverse bleeding (military tip #2). > And 5 consulted military-workshop experts said that they too have > faced C3-series with this exact problem, and that they too couldn't > solve it....it just happened sometimes after service #XY, and even > rebuilding the entire system didn't do it. > (Volvo itself apparently rebuild the entire system in glass once, > just to analyse whether they could *see* a section/spot that trapped > air-bubbles) > > Last remaining alternatives: > > - inserting a few more bleed-nipples at strategic points. > - replacing all the rubber flexible lines with stainless steel, if > only to improve the first stage to a more acceptable level > (I can't imagine the original rubber lines being the cause of this > two-stage problem, as that would imply that there is a weak spot in > the rubber, bulging out at the first push, only contracting after a > dozen seconds) > > Btw, two bleeding methods I came up with, but were not embraced by > any of the shops, is 1) high-pressure/pedal bleeding with engine > running (boosters active), and 2) using a more viscous fluid, in a > different color (learned that color-thing from someone who bled his > brakes with milk, so that he could see when the old brake fluid was > out. > > Any thoughts about any of these points? > > > I had some made up. They are SAE thread just take the rubber ones to > someone who makes lines and they can make them in rubber or shielded > braided line. > I made one's my self, It might be illegal but I do not car that much about it as I know they are 300% better that original. They a... hwts the right word in english... Any way you can mae then wihtout any special tools. Other advantage is that you can keep 10ft loop of the brake line and these small rings nad you can produce new brake line in the forrest. These are sstainles steel lining wiht silicone line in it. I have one installed on my TGB11 and this one goes to my TGB. Same to fits to hub-axle joint as well as frame-axle but the lenght is slightly different. Also the felame joint in the axle is a bit different but it fit's ok still. Everythin started when snow chains cut my lines back in december. I wanted to create tuffest possible brake line and ne that can be fixed on the run, at wilderness. Here is the picture about one of them, ready made: http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/brakeline.jpg/full Then the gift that I got from my friend, she said that it reminded about me when she walked pass it in the moll.. :) I call it "Professor" and will fit it into Volvo! :) http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Proffa.jpg/full -teppo To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:45:20 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Stainless Steel flexible brake lines Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 4 Jun 2007 at 9:11, Teppo Rapo wrote: > I made one's my self, It might be illegal but I do not car that much > about it as I know they are 300% better that original. They a... hwts > the right word in english... Any way you can mae then wihtout any > special tools. Does that imply it uses a screw-squeeze type of connector? I also recently read that unlike factory/rubber flex lines, the stainless-steel version is prone to cracking at the connector- bend....but maybe that is related to the type of fitting, press-fit (clamp-tool) vs screw-fit, as I recall that the press-fit version often has a longer rigid tube than the one in your picture. > Other advantage is that you can keep 10ft loop of the > brake line and these small rings nad you can produce new brake line in > the forrest. These are sstainles steel lining wiht silicone line in it. > I have one installed on my TGB11 and this one goes to my TGB. Same to > fits to hub-axle joint as well as frame-axle but the lenght is slightly > different. Also the felame joint in the axle is a bit different but it > fit's ok still. Everythin started when snow chains cut my lines back in > december. I wanted to create tuffest possible brake line and ne that can > be fixed on the run, at wilderness. Ah yes, must be a screw-fit then....any particular brand/system? I have also wanted to create one as a replacement for the last rigid part of a front Land Cruiser system, allowing the complete brake-unit to be swung to the side more easily & without damage, when doing service to the CV-joints....otherwise you always face the dilemma of either bending the rigid tube, vs opening the system (and having to bleed afterwards). And bending the tube only works X times before it starts cracking & leaking....and X can be very small, depending on the previous mechanics who worked on it....8-(( > Here is the picture about one of > them, ready made: http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/brakeline.jpg/full > > Then the gift that I got from my friend, she said that it reminded about > me when she walked pass it in the moll.. :) I call it "Professor" and > will fit it into Volvo! :) > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Proffa.jpg/full Must reproduce that one in larger form, and cling it to the outside of the cabin....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Niels" To: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Subject: Re: RVS-flex remleidingen met knevel-fitting? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:07:12 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Newsgroups: nl.auto Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: RVS-flex remleidingen met knevel-fitting? > Zag in het buitenland RVS-flex remleidingen met DHZ knevel-fitting, ipv > een > pers-fitting, dus zonder zwaar/duur gereedschap te monteren, ook en met > name > te velde....waar in NL kan ik die fittingen kopen, met ruime keus in > schroefdraad? > (las een tijdje terug dat die RVS-flex leidingen meer risico liepen op > knik- > breuk bij de fitting, maar juist die pers-fittingen hebben volgens mij een > lange kraag, die dat probleem waarschijnlijk verergert, itt deze (relatief > korte) knevel-fitting. > Bij Apco, tegenwoordig Lasoulec kunnen ze rvs remleidingen maken. Of het ook is met de door u genoemde fittingen weet ik niet. Ook zit er in Alkmaar Nh een bedrijf dat remslangen na maakt, Remkaflex heet het dacht ik. Gr, Niels From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: "Niels" Subject: Re: RVS-flex remleidingen met knevel-fitting? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:25:02 +0200 On 4 Jun 2007 at 17:07, Niels wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" > Newsgroups: nl.auto > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:58 PM > Subject: RVS-flex remleidingen met knevel-fitting? > > > > Zag in het buitenland RVS-flex remleidingen met DHZ knevel-fitting, ipv > > een > > pers-fitting, dus zonder zwaar/duur gereedschap te monteren, ook en met > > name > > te velde....waar in NL kan ik die fittingen kopen, met ruime keus in > > schroefdraad? > > (las een tijdje terug dat die RVS-flex leidingen meer risico liepen op > > knik- > > breuk bij de fitting, maar juist die pers-fittingen hebben volgens mij een > > lange kraag, die dat probleem waarschijnlijk verergert, itt deze (relatief > > korte) knevel-fitting. > > > > Bij Apco, tegenwoordig Lasoulec kunnen ze rvs remleidingen maken. > Of het ook is met de door u genoemde fittingen weet ik niet. > Ook zit er in Alkmaar Nh een bedrijf dat remslangen na maakt, Remkaflex heet > het dacht ik. Da's nou net de crux, het *laten* maken of het zelf kunnen maken....dat je het kunt laten maken wist ik, maar het probleem is dat er dan ook vaak minimum aantallen gevraagd worden....en te velde heb je er dan nog steeds nix aan.... (en een zware/dure pers-tang meezeulen is ook niet de bedoeling....;)) Maar idd, als er verder geen reacties komen van mensen die dit type knevel-fitting herkennen, dan zal ik bij Lasaulic & Co beginnen.... Overigens, DHZ-vervaardiging van harde remleidingen is lang zo moeilijk niet, heb je veel minder groot/duur gereedschap voor nodig. PS: als dit via Usenet had gemoeten moet je het even opnieuw posten....;)) From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Rapo Subject: (Fwd) Re: Stainless Steel flexible brake lines Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:18:47 +0200 No hurry, just want to be sure you saw my question on the list....;)) (a Dutch guy mentioned 'Hoke' & 'SwatchLock', from the oil industry, available in many sizes/threads....does that ring any bell?) Thanx! ------- Forwarded message follows ------- To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com Priority: normal From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date sent: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:45:20 +0200 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] Stainless Steel flexible brake lines Send reply to: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com On 4 Jun 2007 at 9:11, Teppo Rapo wrote: > I made one's my self, It might be illegal but I do not car that much > about it as I know they are 300% better that original. They a... hwts > the right word in english... Any way you can mae then wihtout any > special tools. Does that imply it uses a screw-squeeze type of connector? I also recently read that unlike factory/rubber flex lines, the stainless-steel version is prone to cracking at the connector- bend....but maybe that is related to the type of fitting, press-fit (clamp-tool) vs screw-fit, as I recall that the press-fit version often has a longer rigid tube than the one in your picture. > Other advantage is that you can keep 10ft loop of the > brake line and these small rings nad you can produce new brake line in > the forrest. These are sstainles steel lining wiht silicone line in it. > I have one installed on my TGB11 and this one goes to my TGB. Same to > fits to hub-axle joint as well as frame-axle but the lenght is slightly > different. Also the felame joint in the axle is a bit different but it > fit's ok still. Everythin started when snow chains cut my lines back in > december. I wanted to create tuffest possible brake line and ne that can > be fixed on the run, at wilderness. Ah yes, must be a screw-fit then....any particular brand/system? I have also wanted to create one as a replacement for the last rigid part of a front Land Cruiser system, allowing the complete brake-unit to be swung to the side more easily & without damage, when doing service to the CV-joints....otherwise you always face the dilemma of either bending the rigid tube, vs opening the system (and having to bleed afterwards). And bending the tube only works X times before it starts cracking & leaking....and X can be very small, depending on the previous mechanics who worked on it....8-(( > Here is the picture about one of > them, ready made: http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/brakeline.jpg/full > > Then the gift that I got from my friend, she said that it reminded about > me when she walked pass it in the moll.. :) I call it "Professor" and > will fit it into Volvo! :) > http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/Proffa.jpg/full Must reproduce that one in larger form, and cling it to the outside of the cabin....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Rapo Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Stainless Steel flexible brake lines Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:35:42 +0200 On 7 Jun 2007 at 13:18, I wrote: > No hurry, just want to be sure you saw my question on the list....;)) > (a Dutch guy mentioned 'Hoke' & 'SwatchLock', from the oil industry, > available in many sizes/threads....does that ring any bell?) > Thanx! Ah wait, this sounds better, looks quite like your fittings: http://www.swagelok.com/ http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_products_home.aspx?SEARCH=/id-10000226/type-1 (products->hoses) (but all those seem to be prefitted, unlike yours, or not?) To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com From: Teppo Rapo Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:39:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [Volvo303] BRAKE FLUID Reply-To: Volvo303@yahoogroups.com I been working with my brakes a lot but never had any problems with bleeding. I requlary get broken lines due to snowchains, reverseing over already over driven trees and lost brake fluid coulple of times due to failed cylinder on wheel. I just instal check valve on bleed nibble and pump 1 litre of fluid through each nibble and I have brakes better that my civil cars. I replace my brake lines as they brake with silicone, stainles steel covered lines that can be built by my self.. Screwable ends http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/brakeline.jpg/full I have 1 meter of line and those small nibbles from inside with me, I can rebuild 2-3 lines on the run, no need to drive rest of the trip with hand brake, which is not that bad option at all :). -teppo From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Rapo Subject: Re: [Volvo303] BRAKE FLUID Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:32:56 +0200 On 12 May 2008 at 10:39, Teppo Rapo wrote: > I been working with my brakes a lot but never had any problems with > bleeding. I requlary get broken lines due to snowchains, reverseing over > already over driven trees and lost brake fluid coulple of times due to > failed cylinder on wheel. I just instal check valve on bleed nibble and > pump 1 litre of fluid through each nibble and I have brakes better that > my civil cars. I replace my brake lines as they brake with silicone, > stainles steel covered lines that can be built by my self.. Screwable > ends http://www.scout.1g.fi/kuvat/volvo/brakeline.jpg/full I have 1 > meter of line and those small nibbles from inside with me, I can > rebuild 2-3 lines on the run, no need to drive rest of the trip with > hand brake, which is not that bad option at all :). Send spec's of thread & hose, plus name of manufacturer....;)) (I recally we talked about this before, many moons ago; might have to dig out my mail-folder....;)) Btw, any particular name/brand for those checkvalves? Sounds the *perfect* item in combination with fast-bleeding by pedal- push (and continuous refilling by PowerBleeder). Thanx for that inspiration....:)) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:47:46 +0300 From: Teppo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Subject: Re: [Volvo303] BRAKE FLUID > Send spec's of thread & hose, plus name of manufacturer....;)) > (I recally we talked about this before, many moons ago; might have to > dig out my mail-folder....;)) > > Btw, any particular name/brand for those checkvalves? > Sounds the *perfect* item in combination with fast-bleeding by pedal- > push (and continuous refilling by PowerBleeder). > > Thanx for that inspiration....:)) Hello, so the key issue is the srewable ends, it's just normal hydraulic joint with 3/8 UNF threat, I choosed the short version as they just did not have the long one in stock. eg .goodridge ends: 443-03P is the one that Volvo has and I use 441-03P. Hose model "Goodridge 600" is size -03, so I use hose "Goodridge 600-03" So, if you brake line on the run, you need small nibble that goes bad when tightened and some more hose. "core-joint" can be use all over and over and again.. Do google with: goodridge 443-03P goodridge 441-03P goodridge 600-03 Check valves are from Biltema, I wonder if the link works... http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/osteri.cgi?sivu=skriptisivut/index_kauppa.htm&linkki=19148.htm&tuote=19148&ryhmaid=134 Just an image http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/data/Kuvat/19_148iso.jpg I open the bleed nibble, install the hose that has check valve on the end and put it into bottle, same size than full one that I have in cockpit, then I go to cockpit and start pumping the pedal and filing up the container while pumping. When bottle in hand is empty I go change the bottles if bleeding still was not successful. -teppo From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Subject: Re: [Volvo303] BRAKE FLUID Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:22:34 +0200 On 13 May 2008 at 18:47, Teppo wrote: > Hello, so the key issue is the srewable ends, it's just normal hydraulic > joint with 3/8 UNF threat, I choosed the short version as they just did > not have the long one in stock. eg .goodridge ends: 443-03P is the one > that Volvo has and I use 441-03P. Hose model "Goodridge 600" is size > -03, so I use hose "Goodridge 600-03" > So, if you brake line on the run, you need small nibble that goes bad > when tightened and some more hose. "core-joint" can be use all over and > over and again.. > > Do google with: > goodridge 443-03P > goodridge 441-03P > goodridge 600-03 > > Check valves are from Biltema, I wonder if the link works... > http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/osteri.cgi?sivu=skriptisivut/index_kauppa.htm&linkki=19148.htm&tuote=19148&ryhmaid=134 > Just an image http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/data/Kuvat/19_148iso.jpg > > I open the bleed nibble, install the hose that has check valve on the > end and put it into bottle, same size than full one that I have in > cockpit, then I go to cockpit and start pumping the pedal and filing up > the container while pumping. When bottle in hand is empty I go change > the bottles if bleeding still was not successful. > -teppo Thanx, great info, checked our old conversation, wasn't mentioned back then....:)) Called a few shops today, can't seem to get any ready-made 'brake-bleeding check-valve hose', but assembling the same from a diesel-line check-valve seems easy/cheap, I learned today. (bit baffled that something like that isn't marketed as a complete item overhere) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:26:33 +0300 From: Teppo Rapo To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Subject: Re: [Volvo303] BRAKE FLUID Willem-Jan Markerink kirjoitti: > Thanx, great info, checked our old conversation, wasn't mentioned back > then....:)) > Called a few shops today, can't seem to get any ready-made 'brake-bleeding > check-valve hose', but assembling the same from a diesel-line check-valve seems > easy/cheap, I learned today. > (bit baffled that something like that isn't marketed as a complete item > overhere) I have used check valves since I was 13 years old, when first came into situation to do brakes. Feew years ago I even had a setup where the check valve (from windshield washer by the way, it has a hose connetion on both ends) was in the middle of the hose that goes back to brake fluid reservoir, you can circulate fluid as long as you like by just pumping th brake pedal! :) That idea came with a problem that some Toyota LC's have, the main cylinder is very difficult to bleed. Thik fluid would solve it as well... -teppo From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Rapo Subject: Re: [Volvo303] BRAKE FLUID Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:56:51 +0200 On 15 May 2008 at 0:26, Teppo Rapo wrote: > I have used check valves since I was 13 years old, when first came into > situation to do brakes. Feew years ago I even had a setup where the > check valve (from windshield washer by the way, it has a hose connetion > on both ends) was in the middle of the hose that goes back to brake > fluid reservoir, you can circulate fluid as long as you like by just > pumping th brake pedal! :) Cool, brilliant, must remember that too....:)) Btw, after my windscreenwasher-pump broke recently[*] I have been thinking about a manual bellows, for pumping by hand, as a main system or bypass/emergency, just in case (if only not to get trapped like that during the annual DOT-inspection....gotta love to see the inspector's face when I show him a hand bellows, instead of a dash button....:)) (I *could* make it a dashbutton too perhaps....seen stuff like that in marine context I believe, a big rubber button/bellows....hmm....marine footpedal could work too (after all, older car systems had a mechanical foot pressure unit anyway)) [*] stuck, can hear the motor trying, need to find a bunch of small popnails first, so that I can put it back together after opening (which idiot at Volvo choose a *FRENCH* pump for this purpose?!?....8-)) > That idea came with a problem that some > Toyota LC's have, the main cylinder is very difficult to bleed. Thik > fluid would solve it as well... The weird thing is: I once disassembled the master cylinder in my HJ60[**] and despite everybody claiming you must benchbleed it first, before re- installation, I had no problem whatsoever, at least not while using the PowerBleeder....maybe the 'hydraulics' are different compared to pumping.... [**] a fools attempt to solve a problem that boiled down to a cracked hard line at the wheel....and after the second repair discovering that the lower brake shoe bolt was gone, so the entire assembly was moving during every braking....8-)) Thick fluid is also one of the last alternatives for my Volvo problem....I did suggest that to Claes, but for some reason he was stubborn.... Not sure *which* fluid to use though....it's oil, but not ordinary oil....OTOH, if *milk* can be used without much problems as intermediate fluid, so can thick oil....:)) From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Subject: Re: [Volvo303] BRAKE FLUID Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:20:32 +0200 On 13 May 2008 at 18:47, Teppo wrote: > Hello, so the key issue is the srewable ends, it's just normal hydraulic > joint with 3/8 UNF threat, I choosed the short version as they just did > not have the long one in stock. eg .goodridge ends: 443-03P is the one > that Volvo has and I use 441-03P. Hose model "Goodridge 600" is size > -03, so I use hose "Goodridge 600-03" > So, if you brake line on the run, you need small nibble that goes bad > when tightened and some more hose. "core-joint" can be use all over and > over and again.. > > Do google with: > goodridge 443-03P > goodridge 441-03P > goodridge 600-03 > > Check valves are from Biltema, I wonder if the link works... > http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/osteri.cgi?sivu=skriptisivut/index_kauppa.htm&linkki=19148.htm&tuote=19148&ryhmaid=134 > Just an image http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/data/Kuvat/19_148iso.jpg > > I open the bleed nibble, install the hose that has check valve on the > end and put it into bottle, same size than full one that I have in > cockpit, then I go to cockpit and start pumping the pedal and filing up > the container while pumping. When bottle in hand is empty I go change > the bottles if bleeding still was not successful. > -teppo Hmm....they even have non-spill quick-disconnects for brake systems....:)) http://www.goodridge.nl/gcat/ancillar/staubli/staubli.htm No good of course in case of a brake line rupture/damage (fluid already leaking, air in system), but interesting option for doing hub-service, where you need to remove the entire component (in some cases, the disk brakes, with a hard line, are bend out of the way, which can cause ruptures/leaking too). Hmm....might even want to use this on airconditioning or compressor-fridges (the latter is available in 'single-use' connectors (pump and cooler separated, for building your own shape/size of fridge/freezer), but multiple-use is much smarter of course. PS: shame the 441/443 doesn't come in Titanium....;)) PPS: would you know by any chance what thread-spec's are needed for Land Cruiser, from the top of your head?....;)) From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: info@improve-tuning.nl Subject: Goodridge 441/443/600 Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 01:22:39 +0200 Geachte mevrouw/heer, Graag zou ik prijzen vernemen van de onderstaande Goodridge remleiding produkten, per stuk cq per meter, plus verzendkosten: 443-03P 441-03P 600-03 Dank voor uw antwoord. From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: info@biesheuvel.nl Subject: Goodridge 441/443/600 Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 01:22:44 +0200 Geachte mevrouw/heer, Graag zou ik prijzen vernemen van de onderstaande Goodridge remleiding produkten, per stuk cq per meter, plus verzendkosten: 443-03P 441-03P 600-03 Dank voor uw antwoord. Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:45:43 +0200 From: mail info Subject: RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 Sender: Antoine Biesheuvel To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Geachte heer/mevrouw, Bij deze de gevraagde prijzen per stuk of per meter incl. btw 443-03P € 12.29 441-03P € 12.29 600-03 € 10.68 Onze verzendkosten zijn € 7.50 Mocht u nog vragen hebben dan hoor ik dat graag, Met Vriendelijke Groet, Antoine Biesheuvel Biesheuvel Autosport Rijksweg 37 4255 GE Nieuwendijk Tel: 0031 ( 0 ) 183 - 403400 Fax: 0031 ( 0 ) 183 - 403757 www.biesheuvel.nl antoine@biesheuvel.nl www.ltec.nl www.bilstein.nl www.sparco-shop.nl From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Subject: (Fwd) RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:38:16 +0200 Are these prices decent, in euro's?....;)) (and including 19% VAT) ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:45:43 +0200 From: mail info Subject: RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Geachte heer/mevrouw, Bij deze de gevraagde prijzen per stuk of per meter incl. btw 443-03P € 12.29 441-03P € 12.29 600-03 € 10.68 Onze verzendkosten zijn € 7.50 Mocht u nog vragen hebben dan hoor ik dat graag, Met Vriendelijke Groet, Antoine Biesheuvel Biesheuvel Autosport Rijksweg 37 4255 GE Nieuwendijk Tel: 0031 ( 0 ) 183 - 403400 Fax: 0031 ( 0 ) 183 - 403757 www.biesheuvel.nl antoine@biesheuvel.nl www.ltec.nl www.bilstein.nl www.sparco-shop.nl xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:17:50 +0300 (EEST) From: Teppo Rapo To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 Willem-Jan Markerink kirjoitti 15.05.2008 kello 21:38: > Are these prices decent, in euro's?....;)) > (and including 19% VAT) > Oh yes, they are extremely expensive, ones that are for crimping are cheap but these re-usables not. I haven't found any cheaper vendor. I got discount (I do not know the reason why..?) and payed 7,5=80 each. Ones the fellow sayd the price, I bought everything he had! He had only 4 of them :) BTW: These were rarelly used before latelly, local kid's have started to build +400hp turbo charged engines for mersedesbenz 300 diesels and they are using same connectors in their turbo projects. There might be one place for cheaper price, shop that imports them but you need to by whole box, I'm considering that option as well and sell out ones that I need. Though, I have now bunch of them so no need for them for a time beeing. Before I deside to replace all of the flex lines. Lowest stock-price found was like 11,60 and highest +20euro.. I never worried about it as this is something that you by only once, nibbles was like 0,65 each if I recall correctly. Teppo Rapo +358 40 5508394 Ahkiomaantie 7 FI-96300 Rovaniemi From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: mail info Subject: RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:32:57 +0200 On 15 May 2008 at 17:45, mail info wrote: > Geachte heer/mevrouw, > > Bij deze de gevraagde prijzen per stuk of per meter incl. btw > > 443-03P € 12.29 > 441-03P € 12.29 > 600-03 € 10.68 > > Onze verzendkosten zijn € 7.50 > > Mocht u nog vragen hebben dan hoor ik dat graag, Is er vanaf bepaalde hoeveelheden nog een kortingsstaffel van toepassing, of iig enige transport-efficiency? Orde van grootte zou zijn 2/4/10/25/50/100 stuks & 2/5/10/25/50 meter. From: Willem-Jan Markerink To: Teppo Rapo Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 Reply-to: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 03:25:33 +0200 On 15 May 2008 at 22:17, Teppo Rapo wrote: > Oh yes, they are extremely expensive, ones that are for crimping are cheap but > these re-usables not. I haven't found any cheaper vendor. I got discount (I do > not know the reason why..?) and payed 7,5€ each. Ones the fellow sayd the price, > I bought everything he had! He had only 4 of them :) > > BTW: These were rarelly used before latelly, local kid's have started to build > +400hp turbo charged engines for mersedesbenz 300 diesels and they are using > same connectors in their turbo projects. > > There might be one place for cheaper price, shop that imports them but you need > to by whole box, I'm considering that option as well and sell out ones that I > need. Yup, had that in mind too, so I asked them for any quantity or even shipping discount. > Though, I have now bunch of them so no need for them for a time beeing. > Before I deside to replace all of the flex lines. > > Lowest stock-price found was like 11,60 and highest +20euro.. I never worried > about it as this is something that you by only once, nibbles was like 0,65€ each > if I recall correctly. Btw, the connectors in the original auxiliary coolant heater look familiar too....:)) http://forum.terrangbil.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2929 1925SEK it seems....a bit steep for something that big, but in extreme arctic conditions, it might be last & only thing that gets you going, perhaps even creating a woodfire, if an aftermarket vehicle-mounted coolant heater doesn't fire up because of the cold (gasoline freezes sooner than kerosine!) or any other problem. Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 06:10:57 +0300 (EEST) From: Teppo Rapo To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 > Btw, the connectors in the original auxiliary coolant heater look > familiar too....:)) > > http://forum.terrangbil.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=3D2929 > > 1925SEK it seems....a bit steep for something that big, but in extreme > arctic conditions, it might be last & only thing that gets you going, > perhaps even creating a woodfire, if an aftermarket vehicle-mounted > coolant heater doesn't fire up because of the cold (gasoline freezes > sooner than kerosine!) or any other problem. That system would be nice just to have, just for fun of it and I would bee keen to try it out! :) Volvo has very simple way to get heated, almost as it was designed for it ( kröhöm.. oil pressure switch is a bit on the way but...) If you go and look engine block from right side, underneath, between exthaust pipe and engine block there is exelent place to heat it up with propane torch, I use it one in the while in winter time. It takes only 3-5 minutes and she starts up, like under the palm tree. I burned my oil pressure pic-up already few years ago and have not bothered to replace it.. :) Then if you leave you rig for longer period of time in cold climate, some people used to park the car on the edge of the ditch beside the road. Then, whne the y come back, they light up campfire and put 100mm, 2m long steel hose first end into fire pointin upward under the oil sump/engine. After 30- 60 minutes engine is warm! :) When I was young, we did lots of trips in wintertime, with normal family car. Father had blankets and steel boal that he filled with carbon blocks, for out door grills. Boal under the engine and blankets on the hood and we never failed to start the dieles car that my father had at the time, even temperatures were ofter around -30 - -40c Teppo Rapo +358 40 5508394 Ahkiomaantie 7 FI-96300 Rovaniemi Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:22:59 +0200 From: mail info Subject: RE: Goodridge 441/443/600 Sender: Antoine Biesheuvel To: w.j.markerink@a1.nl > Is er vanaf bepaalde hoeveelheden nog een kortingsstaffel van > toepassing, of iig enige transport-efficiency? > > Orde van grootte zou zijn 2/4/10/25/50/100 stuks & 2/5/10/25/50 meter. Geachte heer/mevrouw, Nee transport blijft altijd hetzelfde. Ik heb u op de prijzen al 15% korting gegeven. Kan oplopen uiteraard met aantallen met minimum van 25. Mocht u nog vragen hebben dan hoor ik dat graag Met Vriendelijke Groet, Antoine Biesheuvel Biesheuvel Autosport Rijksweg 37 4255 GE Nieuwendijk Tel: 0031 ( 0 ) 183 - 403400 Fax: 0031 ( 0 ) 183 - 403757 www.biesheuvel.nl antoine@biesheuvel.nl www.ltec.nl www.bilstein.nl www.sparco-shop.nl Reply-To: From: To: Subject: Re: Goodridge 441/443/600 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:49:38 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:22 AM > Geachte mevrouw/heer, > > Graag zou ik prijzen vernemen van de onderstaande Goodridge remleiding > produkten, per stuk cq per meter, plus verzendkosten: > > 443-03P > 441-03P > 600-03 > > Dank voor uw antwoord. Dag heer, Zodra ik antwoord heb mogen ontvangen laat ik het u zsm weten. Alvast een prettig weekend. M vr gr, Frans From: To: References: <482B9067.31104.15428660@localhost> Subject: Re: Goodridge 441/443/600 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:25:40 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 01:22 > Geachte mevrouw/heer, > > Graag zou ik prijzen vernemen van de onderstaande Goodridge remleiding > produkten, per stuk cq per meter, plus verzendkosten: > > 443-03P > 441-03P > 600-03 > > Dank voor uw antwoord. > Dag heer, Hierbij de prijzen, ik kan u al wel melden dat de genoemde produkten op voorraad zijn bij Goodridge. 443-03P Normaal ? 14,65, onze prijs: ? 13,-- 441-03P Normaal ? 14,65, onze prijs: ? 13,-- 600-03 Normaal ? 12,40, onze prijs: ? 11,-- U kunt op 3 manieren in het bezit komen van een bestelling: 1) Onder rembours (betalen aan de vervoerder) dan is de eigen bijdrage in de vervoerskosten ? 18,50 2) Vooruitbetaling op Postbank Zakelijk Nr. 7904865 ter name van Improve Tuning te Almelo, dan zijn de vervoerskosten ? 6,95. 3) Ophalen, dan eerst een afspraak maken. Mocht u verder nog vragen en/of wensen hebben laat het ons dan weten. Met vriendelijke groet, Frans http://www.improve-tuning.nl http://www.hispec.nl http://www.splitsec.nl http://www.bosi-uitlaten.nl