http://www.safari4x4.com.au/80scool/tech/window_leaks.html xxxxxxxxxxxx 3rd Row Window leaks >I have a leak in my drivers side (LHD) rear split window. Is this common? >The reason I know is because my tool kit is wet and the jack collects >water in the plastic bracket where it sits. >How do I fix it? ed: Other symptoms may include wet rear seat belts, wet carpets and water accumulating in the lower sill cavity (if the drain holes are blocked you'll hear a sloshing sound as you accelerate or brake. From Chris Nichols: Andrew - I had the same. The problem is not the window but the rubber seal underneath the window surround where there is a chrome strip with thin rubber flanges where it hugs the ledge of the rim. This is fastened by grommets to the body and it is through these that the water leaks. I had them repaired under warranty by Toyota. If you carefully remove them you can see what is happening - allowing water to leak into the inner cavity where you keep your jack and tool kit. Mine was on the other side - my rear seatbelt would get wet every time it rained or when I washed the car. From Willem-Jan Markerink: Yes, it is common, at least three people on the list (including you) have suffered from it. We have the receiver unit of our twin-system Blaupunkt located on the right side, and drowned it more than once after a car wash. Luckely drying solved what might have been a multi thousand dollar disaster (the previous owner surprised us with the ultimate top of the line Blaupunkt Berlin twin receiver/split system). The problem is caused by how the window strips on the outside are attached to the body, they go through the body and protrude on the bottom. The solution is easy; grab a tube of RTV(sp?) and dab each hole with a generous amount of that sealing stuff. You might want a mirror kind of search instrument, because applying stuff that is affected by gravity upside down is major confusing. Not that a mirror is less confusing, but it doesn't cause a sour neck and/or RTV in your face....8-)) To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 23:08:13 +0200 Subject: [80] About windowleaks.... Reply-To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com ....if you do this.... http://www.safari4x4.com.au/80scool/tech/window_leaks.html ....do both sides. Willem (watching 1-2 liter coming out of the LH-side after pulling the plug, years after the RH-side was waterproofed (and fucked up the auxiliary radio/tuner back then)....:)) Jan PS: any kind of fluid I should drop in there, either on its own or on top of a similar amount of water? Did get rusty inside (water was clear though, probably fresh amount of rain). PPS: why didn't anyone ever invented a one-way valve for those plugs?....;)) (no, it did not run down my sleeve or on my face, although it was a close call....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:18:18 +0200 Subject: Re: [80] About 3rd-window leaks.... Reply-To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com On 6 May 2004 at 23:08, Willem-Jan Markerink wrote: > ....if you do this.... > > http://www.safari4x4.com.au/80scool/tech/window_leaks.html > > ....do both sides. > > Willem (watching 1-2 liter coming out of the LH-side after pulling the > plug, years after the RH-side was waterproofed (and fucked up the > auxiliary radio/tuner back then)....:)) Jan > > PS: any kind of fluid I should drop in there, either on its own or on > top of a similar amount of water? Did get rusty inside (water was > clear though, probably fresh amount of rain). > > PPS: why didn't anyone ever invented a one-way valve for those > plugs?....;)) > > (no, it did not run down my sleeve or on my face, although it was a > close call....:)) > Oh, and there are 4 (FOUR) of these plastic clamps that go through the body....one is all the way up front, inside the C-pillar. Though I now also wonder: what happens if that strip must ever be removed, from the outside? Are these strips typically removed without any damage at all, or is that a replacement item normally? (because the damn thing can't be removed intact anyway, because of these one-way/single-use(?) clamps). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com From: Juan Quiros Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [80] About 3rd-window leaks.... Reply-To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com Got any pictures? To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:29:48 +0200 Subject: Re: [80] About 3rd-window leaks.... Reply-To: 80scool@yahoogroups.com On 12 May 2004 at 13:15, Juan Quiros wrote: > Got any pictures? No, very nasty location to make any pictures, even with a mirror....it's more feel than sight when applying the RTV. Pull the side panels in the cargo area, and feel upwards inside, towards that window strip, and go back and forth with your finger in there....3 can be found easily, the 4th in the C-pillar takes some gymnastics....:)) (can only be done with left hand on LHS, and right hand on RHS) Btw, I did the RHS years before with black RTV, for the LHS I only had white RTV available....I wonder whether the cosmic balance of my 80 is still intact?....;)) (just be sure not to get the acid/home-construction kind of RTV, that crap will even make lead corrode, ultimately nasty) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "Longman" Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:39:52 +0800 Subject: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com Friends, I have a very wet seat belt (left back seat). How did the water get into the reel? Leaky rear window? Leaky C pillar? Leaky wheel well? Tell me where to start. Please. I know it's not supposed to rain in Perth but I think a cruiser should really be able to cope with a few millimetres every now and then. Oh, and that infernal ticking at 1800 - 2200 rpm is getting to me. Should I be checking the bigend bearings? Dale Longman 92 GXL HD-T Scientific Rocket Perth WA To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:02:12 +0200 Subject: Re: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com On 21 May 2004 at 20:39, Longman wrote: > Friends, > > I have a very wet seat belt (left back seat). How did the water get into the > reel? Leaky rear window? Leaky C pillar? Leaky wheel well? Tell me where to > start. Please. http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80_3rd-window_leak.txt Pull the drain plugs on both your rear quarter panels too, both sides might contain water by now (although in warmer climates and little rain it might evaporate over time). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "Longman" Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:12:16 +0800 Subject: Re: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" ... > http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80_3rd-window_leak.txt > > Pull the drain plugs on both your rear quarter panels too, both sides > might contain water by now (although in warmer climates and little > rain it might evaporate over time). Guys, this is a 2 second job that is well worth doing. I'll be doing it annually from now on. There was about 2-3 cups of water in the left one and about half a cup in the right. Thanks W-J, you're A1. Dale Longman 92 GXL HDJ To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:27:54 +0200 Subject: Re: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com On 22 May 2004 at 14:12, Longman wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" > ... > > http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80_3rd-window_leak.txt > > > > Pull the drain plugs on both your rear quarter panels too, both sides > > might contain water by now (although in warmer climates and little > > rain it might evaporate over time). > > Guys, this is a 2 second job that is well worth doing. I'll be doing it > annually from now on. I'd call that a bit overkill.... However, what you *might* want to check every few years is whether there is any rust below those outside strips....might have been tracks of 'terra rossa' sand that I spotted as drip residue on those grommets underneath, but could as well be rust, from the sharp edges that these grommets attach to.... > There was about 2-3 cups of water in the left one and about half a cup in > the right. Thanks W-J, you're A1. The only thing I am still pondering about is how to make sure there won't be any rust-residue left in those lower body seams.... (in your case all the way from front (C-pillar) to rear....I now even wonder if the lower end of the C-pillar has its own drain hole, not just the drain hole near the D-pillar?) Anyway, seems you can only reach all the vulnerable body seams with rust-protector if you fill it up with water to the same level, then add an oily substance, and drain again.... Any opinion, before I start making a mess?....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "Longman" Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:22:55 +0800 Subject: Re: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" ... > Anyway, seems you can only reach all the vulnerable body seams with > rust-protector if you fill it up with water to the same level, then > add an oily substance, and drain again.... > Any opinion, before I start making a mess?....:)) I sprayed WD40 liberally around. Not a long-term fix but I don't like the smell of fish oil on a hot day. The spray encouraged a bit more water to drain out. I thought about leaving an oily rag in there. Ah, just remembered I had a bottle of Protectolene somewhere... a few squirts of that in my cavities might be the go. I wouldn''t get anal about ensuring the oil makes contact with every square centimetre of concern - the vapours will get there. Dale Longman 92 GXL HDJ To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 04:05:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com On 22 May 2004 at 14:12, Longman wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" > ... > > http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/80_3rd-window_leak.txt > > > > Pull the drain plugs on both your rear quarter panels too, both sides > > might contain water by now (although in warmer climates and little > > rain it might evaporate over time). > > Guys, this is a 2 second job that is well worth doing. I'll be doing it > annually from now on. Ahhhh, you mean pulling those drainplugs....I thought you meant sealing those window-strip grommets, annually....:)) (envision ever-growing gobs of RTV, filling up the entire quarter panel....:)) You did seal them, didn't you?....;)) Since that is *not* a 2 second job....:)) (in particular on the LH side, where you also need to remove 3 bolts from the black plastic 'emergency reflector holder') > There was about 2-3 cups of water in the left one and about half a cup in > the right. Thanks W-J, you're A1. Don't pull plugs annually, seal window-strip grommets only once....;)) Actually, your seatbelts could only have become wet from the water dripping down, not from the water sloshing around on the rear (still not sure where it would slosh around near the C-pillar?)) You might even have tackled only one problem of the two: the rear- most grommets filling up the quarter panel, while the fore-most grommet gives you a wet seat belt, without any sloshing in that area (the retractor mechanism sits way too high for that!).... You're not done, my son....not yet....;)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "Longman" Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:36:03 +0800 Subject: Re: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" > > You did seal them, didn't you?....;)) yes, but I just gobbed them form the inside. I think I really need to take the strips off and reapply them with sealant. ... > Actually, your seatbelts could only have become wet from the water > dripping down, not from the water sloshing around on the rear (still > not sure where it would slosh around near the C-pillar?)) Indeed. But I suspect the window seal more than the foremost strip grommet. Wife not home right now but I may still nevertheless be wrong. Grommets gobbed and window seal drain cleaned out. Done for now. Yes I did mean just pull the plugs. If dry, no problem, job finished. Best rust treatment - prevention. All of us who used to own 60s know about rust. To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:44:58 +0200 Subject: Electrolytical rust removal (was: [80_aus] water ingress Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com On 23 May 2004 at 10:36, Longman wrote: > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" > > > > You did seal them, didn't you?....;)) > yes, but I just gobbed them form the inside. I think I really need to take > the strips off and reapply them with sealant. Never sealed them from the outside either, much too fragile stuff there (paint shop once screwed the curved plastic vent-panel, since it's grommet attachment-point broke off....needed to put it back on with RTV too....8-)) (actually, this paint shop had to cure a nasty rust spot near that vent opening, hence still a good argument to open it up, but be sure to have a repair-manual at hand how to remove these parts, to avoid breaking that fragile stuff) > ... > > Actually, your seatbelts could only have become wet from the water > > dripping down, not from the water sloshing around on the rear (still > > not sure where it would slosh around near the C-pillar?)) > > Indeed. But I suspect the window seal more than the foremost strip grommet. > Wife not home right now but I may still nevertheless be wrong. Might have tested it before, with a garden hose....it leaks enough to show pretty fast. > Grommets gobbed and window seal drain cleaned out. Done for now. > > Yes I did mean just pull the plugs. If dry, no problem, job finished. Best > rust treatment - prevention. All of us who used to own 60s know about rust. Currently experimenting with electrolytic rust removal/dissolving on small parts, quite fun.... http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rust.htm ....amost psychedelic what an amount of crap can be generated with a simple 12v battery charger.... (any electrolytical-experts in this forum?....thusfar I only used a plain steel positive electrode, but since most of the crap seems to accumulate around that one, I wonder if changing it to stainless steel makes things better (and what type?....does an old chrome- vanadium tool work?). Wonder what will be left of the licence-plate light assembly on a 60- series once treated this way....not much steel left there....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]