From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: landcruisers@tlca.org, fj55@tlca.org, dtlc@helios.net Priority: normal Subject: [LCML] FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? (was: ID-plate data Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:25:26 +0100 No one a clue what those two ribbon-panels are, one on each fender?....;)) (somewhere on the web, I noticed a 'F155' engine-designation in an (early?) FJ55....with the air intake on the other side (but also BJ'style, to the front, flat-out on the radiator)....but is that why both fenders have such a lid, for a snorkle on each side, one for F, the other for 2F? (do B/2B/3B have the air intake on the LHS?) And/or: has there ever been a 2F with a similar front-facing/radiator-covering air intake? Mine (2F/'77) mounts to the fender, at the same level as that ribbon-panel.... Very hard to believe that Toyota foresaw all these engine-variations right from the start in 1969 (with only the F being available), nor keep it that way after the 2F (but the BJ55 might have been in their minds already at that time). Please solve this mystery for me!....:)) ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: fj55@tlca.org Cc: dtlc@helios.net Priority: normal Subject: [FJ55] FJ55 ID-plate data Reply-to: fj55@tlca.org Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 00:25:18 +0100 FWIW, here are the data from the ID-plate of my FJ55 ('77, 4 drums, fold-down rear door, front bench, headrests). Model: FJ55LV-KW FrameNo: FJ55 79584 Color/trim: 277 LD11 Tranx/axle: H41 K052 See http://www.off-road.com/tlc/faq/faq.txt for decoding....odd thing is that there is no color match anywhere (only the big '012' printed (not stamped) elsewhere on the tag would match, but that's a non-variable, just as 'Toyota'; and also odd is that the 'KW' only tells 4sp & Europe, nothing about the type of rear door (for which letters are available, seems Finnish barndoors did get a KCW coding. Btw, was it common in '77 to stamp the frame number on the frame as well? Can't find it on the usual places, but one of the previous owners might have put a layer of coating over it....on both 60 and 80 it's on the right-hand side, just before the front axle....should it be there on a 55 as well? (hard to believe this is an European-only method (VIN-tag's on USA vehicles are mostly in the driver's door post though)) PS: what is the function of having these removable rectangular panels on both sides fenders? For a snorkle I could understand, but not on both sides.... Or is that meant for some tropical version, for maximum airflow to the side vents, pulling air from under the fender (just discovered them today, neat....:))....anyone seen any factory differences on that panel? (I would assume that such tropical versions don't have a rear heater either....I believe even the absence of a front heater is possible for Africa/Gulf versions) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: fj55@tlca.org Copies to: landcruisers@tlca.org From: Morgan Fletcher Subject: [LCML] Re: [FJ55] FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? (was: ID-plate data Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:57:04 -0700 "Willem-Jan Markerink" writes: > No one a clue what those two ribbon-panels are, one on each > fender?....;)) Decoration. > (somewhere on the web, I noticed a 'F155' engine-designation in an > (early?) FJ55....with the air intake on the other side (but also > BJ'style, to the front, flat-out on the radiator)....but is that why > both fenders have such a lid, for a snorkle on each side, one for F, > the other for 2F? I don't think snorkels were part of Toyota's design thinking during the FJ55 production run. Ever seen a photo from the 1970s of a cruiser with a snorkel? I'm sure a few existed, but... > (do B/2B/3B have the air intake on the LHS?) No FJ55s came from the factory with a diesel engine. I'm still waiting for proof otherwise. :) > And/or: has there ever been a 2F with a similar > front-facing/radiator-covering air intake? All the 2F US-spec FJ55s I've seen have had an air scoop bolted to the front of the engine compartment, directly forward of the manifolds and air cleaner, above the radiator. > Very hard to believe that Toyota foresaw all these engine-variations > right from the start in 1969 (with only the F being available), nor > keep it that way after the 2F (but the BJ55 might have been in > their minds already at that time). There was no BJ55. Show me proof otherwise. The FJ5* had first an F, then a 2F, and that was it. > Please solve this mystery for me!....:)) Solved. :) Morgan -- VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV >> Morgan Fletcher 63 FJ40, 76 FJ55, 94 FJ80 TLCA #5973, Oakland, CA << >> Illegitimi non carborundum http://www.birfield.com/~morgan << From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: fj55@tlca.org Copies to: landcruisers@tlca.org, dtlc@helios.net Priority: normal Subject: [LCML] Re: [FJ55] FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? (was: ID-plate Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:26:09 +0100 On 19 May 02 at 10:57, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > "Willem-Jan Markerink" writes: > > No one a clue what those two ribbon-panels are, one on each > > fender?....;)) > > Decoration. There is no such thing as decoration on a Cruiser (apart from a few chrome strips/hub-caps)....;)) > > (somewhere on the web, I noticed a 'F155' engine-designation in an > > (early?) FJ55....with the air intake on the other side (but also > > BJ'style, to the front, flat-out on the radiator)....but is that why > > both fenders have such a lid, for a snorkle on each side, one for F, > > the other for 2F? > > I don't think snorkels were part of Toyota's design thinking during the > FJ55 production run. Ever seen a photo from the 1970s of a cruiser with a > snorkel? I'm sure a few existed, but... I don't mean a full-height snorkel, more like the fender-mounted drums/cannisters that are also common on older Land Rovers, and even larger trucks....I think most of these were made by Donaldson (they still make cyclone-filters for mounting inside the engine bay, I saw one recently when searching for 'Donaldson snorkel'; didn't look like an all-home-brew job). > > (do B/2B/3B have the air intake on the LHS?) > > No FJ55s came from the factory with a diesel engine. I'm still waiting for > proof otherwise. :) It's listed in the Australian MaxEllery workshop manuals....and Aussies are always right!....;)) (must be listed in OEM Toyota workshop manuals as well....anyone?) > > And/or: has there ever been a 2F with a similar > > front-facing/radiator-covering air intake? > > All the 2F US-spec FJ55s I've seen have had an air scoop bolted to the > front of the engine compartment, directly forward of the manifolds and air > cleaner, above the radiator. My 55/2F is at another location right now, will try to take a peek & pictures tomorror, but I am pretty sure I don't have a front-facing/radiator-mounted scoop (I've seen this layout before, on a BJ4x or FJ4x (I think), should have noticed that, because it has always struck me as much more vulnerable, be it water or a head-on accidident). > > Very hard to believe that Toyota foresaw all these engine-variations > > right from the start in 1969 (with only the F being available), nor > > keep it that way after the 2F (but the BJ55 might have been in > > their minds already at that time). > > There was no BJ55. Show me proof otherwise. The FJ5* had first an F, then a > 2F, and that was it. No, right thereafter there was a 2B....even Aussies say so....;)) (but they never had one officially....not sure how significant grey import to Australia was back then....anyone? > > Please solve this mystery for me!....:)) > > Solved. :) In your dreams....:)) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: fj55@tlca.org Copies to: landcruisers@tlca.org, dtlc@helios.net Priority: normal Subject: [LCML] FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? (& Production data!) Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Tue, 21 May 2002 04:43:46 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominic von Stoesser" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [DTLC] [FJ55] FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? (was: ID-plate > > On Monday, May 20, 2002, at 09:26 , w.j.markerink@a1.NL wrote: > > > I don't mean a full-height snorkel, more like the fender-mounted > > drums/cannisters that are also common on older Land Rovers, and even > > larger trucks....I think most of these were made by Donaldson (they > > still make cyclone-filters for mounting inside the engine bay, I saw > > one recently when searching for 'Donaldson snorkel'; didn't look like > > an all-home-brew job). > > I've got a Donaldson's cyclonic unit lying around in my shop waiting for > something for me to put it in; it came out of the Uri. It's really big; > overkill for a 22R. It's also not all that waterproof. Neither is the factory Toyota full-height snorkel....:)) (it's a dust/heat protector, not a deep-water protector....not sufficiently sealed at the joints) > But then (and > especially with a normally aspirated diesel) water crossings are only > one of the uses of a snorkel, another being intake air temperature > reduction. > > Which of course has no real bearing on the true debate: was there ever a > BJ55? Should there have been? Yes there was, for 2 short years, 79-81, and only in Japan, with the 2B diesel....it's just that no sample has ever shown up in modern times (but it is listed in the Aussie McEllery shop manuals, possibly because some were grey-imported to Australia (both LHD/RHS)) & NewZealand). Btw sample-frequency: with the serial number data from www.sor.com at hand, is it valid to distract the lowest serial number from the highest serial number, to obtain total production? That would be about 114.000 minus 10.000, a good 100.000 units....seems a bit high to me (even though a total of 300.000 Cruisers was produced in 1974). > cheers - > > dom > (who, yes, is now lurking on the diesel list) -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" To: dtlc@helios.net Copies to: fj55@tlca.org, landcruisers@tlca.org Priority: normal Subject: [LCML] Re: [DTLC] FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? (was: ID-plate Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:33:18 +0100 On 22 May 02 at 17:53, D S wrote: > If you are referring to the BJ55 that is the same body > style as the FJ55 then they only made those in 1978 > and 1979 if I am not mistaken. Never sold in North > America that I know of. It used the B series diesel. I > dont think they sold many. Indeed not sold in NA....yet even worse: sold in Japan only (but as with many used Japanese vehicles, some might have been exported to Australia/NewZealand/South-Africa, or any other LHD-country). And AFAIK, no one ever saw a BJ55 in real life at all....pretty sad, makes it one of the rarest Cruisers ever. The only 'proof' thusfar is in printing, including de Aussie McEllery shop manuals (and I assume Toyota shop manuals & other part listings as well). -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] To: landcruisers@tlca.org From: gbrown@ihug.co.nz Subject: [LCML] Re: FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? Now BJ55 ATTN: David Griffin Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:01:15 GMT "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote: > Indeed not sold in NA....yet even worse: sold in Japan only (but as > with many used Japanese vehicles, some might have been exported to > Australia/NewZealand/South-Africa, or any other LHD-country). > > And AFAIK, no one ever saw a BJ55 in real life at all....pretty sad, > makes it one of the rarest Cruisers ever. > The only 'proof' thusfar is in printing, including de Aussie McEllery shop > manuals (and I assume Toyota shop manuals & other part listings as well). I haven't actually gone and put my hands on a BJ55 but I am sure that they exist in New Zealand. The reason that I think they exist is that I have seen them advertised in the local paper when I do my weekly scan of the used 4wd section. I also had a article that appeared in the local 4wd mag about the history of the Land Cruiser in New Zealand. From memory it had a picture of a BJ55 in it. I gave the magazine to lister David Griffin when he came to NZ for a holiday. I had a scanned version but lost it in a hard drive crash. Dave, if you read this and can still find the article can you check it for any reference to a BJ55. If I come across one I will definatly take some photos and post them. Guy 1985 FJ40, Christchurch, NZ From: "Griffin, David" To: "'landcruisers@tlca.org'" Copies to: "'gbrown@ihug.co.nz'" Subject: [LCML] Re: FJ55 Removable fender-lid/panel? Now BJ55 ATTN: David Griffin Send reply to: landcruisers@tlca.org Date sent: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:41:05 -0700 Guy, Saw your post. I will most definitely look through the magazine article for reference to the BJ 55. I will keep you posted on my findings. All this talk of 55s in NZ reminds me of the clean (No visible rust) 55 I saw for sale in Lake Wanaka for $ 800 USD. Dave