From: "Gary Schmauch" To: "landcruisers" , Subject: [FJ55] Toy power steering parts for sale Reply-To: fj55@birfield.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:15:09 -0500 Found another mini truck power steering box, clean, not a leaker and in good condition. These are getting hard to find, need $125 for the box alone. These boxes are great for an FJ55 using the JT Outfitters mounting bracket, and are also a good fit for an FJ40. JT makes a bracket for mounting them on a 40, too. This one came from an 84 truck. Also have one power steering pump, mounting/adjusting bracket, reservoir and hoses for $50 these came from the same truck. Buyer pays shipping (appx 22 pounds for box) from PA zip 17925. Gary Schmauch TLCA#12019 _______________________________________________ FJ55 mailing list FJ55@birfield.com http://www.birfield.com/mailman/listinfo/fj55 From: tjscholand@comcast.net To: landcruisers@birfield.com Subject: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:53:35 +0000 Herb Peyerl: > "Wow. That's a lot. I spent a lot less on my minitruck PS conversion. I > plan on spending a lot less on my BJ-60 PS conversion on truck #2. > Sure, the minitruck stuff was 'junkyard' but that was 4 years ago and > it's all still working well." James, Herb, Thanks for your input. Herb, can you elaborate on your minitruck PS conversion? Is this the setup on JTO that still uses the draglink? Or is it detailed on a website? Thanks, TJS -- 1978 FJ-40 TLCA #10713 Fort Collins, CO From: Herb Peyerl Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 To: landcruisers@birfield.com Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:46:59 -0600 On Jun 19, 2004, at 8:53 PM, tjscholand@comcast.net wrote: > Herb, can you elaborate on your minitruck PS conversion? Is this the > setup on JTO that still uses the draglink? > Or is it detailed on a website? Don't know about other setups or whether it's detailed on a site. I think I noticed that people were doing them, on the list here, and decided to do one when I built my FJ-45. I mostly just followed my nose and asked questions on the list... It comprises of taking off your old steering box and mount. You buy a power-steering box from a (79-84?) Minitruck. I got mine through a network of auto-wreckers who inventory their parts. I paid $150CDN for it; which at the time was $100USD. You also buy a power steering pump; in my case from a Celica. I found it at the local wreckers for $25CAD. The pump looked identical to the land cruiser pump except had a remote reservoir. I also took some bracketing and hoses from the same donor. I then bought a bracket for the power steering box; which I later came to regret since it was really just a couple of pieces of 4 or 6 inch angle iron welded together with holes drilled. I paid $75CAD for the bracket which I think was a rip-off considering I could make it out of stuff I have lying around, in about an hour. I could probably make 10 of them in an hour if I invested another couple of hours making a jig. Anyway, after that, just bolt it all together. I modified the PS pump bracket from the celica to fit on my engine because the land cruiser vendor I spoke with (I can't remember who it was so I won't disparage anyone by guessing and getting it wrong) didn't know that non-US cruisers can't use their bracket. I asked if the PS pump bracket they sold would work on a canadian spec cruiser; was told in the affirmative. Asked whether their bracket mounted the pump on the drivers side low or passengers side high, they responded with "drivers side low". Since that's where my alternator is, I declared them to be idjuts and just kludged my own bracket. It's been about 4 years and I keep meaning to build a proper bracket but the one I have just works. For hoses, I took the stock celica hoses and the fittings that came with the box, down to the local 'Hose Headquarters'. They crimped up a new high-pressure line for me using those fittings for about $50. So, in the end, I think I'm $150 + 25 + 50 + 100 canadian which is about $200 USD and I didn't have to cut out any Subaru-sized holes in my front frame-member. I'm told however, that some people have to re-use the cruiser pittman arm on the minitruck box. I didn't have to. I just used the minitruck pittman arm with the cruiser drag-link. Longevity: It's been 4 years. I've had nary a problem with the PS box. My $25 junk-yard pump is now starting to groan in the mornings so I suspect I'm going to have to replace it one of these days. Performance wise, it does 'ok'. It sometimes can't turn my 33x12.5's on dry pavement unless the truck is inching forwards. While wheeling it helps me get out of deep ruts but it can't push the truck away from a rock once wedged into a tough spot. I keep meaning to get Peter to help me drill/tap the box so I can fit a rock ram. That seems like the sort of thing I'd do if I were doing the conversion again. That'd add another $100 or so.. Here's the bracket: http://www.beer.org/noname/build/quick.php? image=minitruck_ps_mnt1.jpg&d=d.html Here's the box, installed: http://www.beer.org/noname/build/quick.php?image=psb1.jpg&d=d.html Here's the pump, installed: http://www.beer.org/noname/build/quick.php?image=psp1.jpg&d=d.html hope that helps. From: "Tom Nelson" To: Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:53:49 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: Herb Peyerl Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 4:46 AM > On Jun 19, 2004, at 8:53 PM, tjscholand@comcast.net wrote: >> Herb, can you elaborate on your minitruck PS conversion? Is this the >> setup on JTO that still uses the draglink? >> Or is it detailed on a website? > > Don't know about other setups or whether it's detailed on a site. I > think I noticed that people were doing them, on the list here, and > decided to do one when I built my FJ-45. I mostly just followed my > nose and asked questions on the list... > > It comprises of taking off your old steering box and mount. You buy a > power-steering box from a (79-84?) Minitruck. I got mine through a > network of auto-wreckers who inventory their parts. I paid $150CDN for > it; which at the time was $100USD. You also buy a power steering pump; > in my case from a Celica. I found it at the local wreckers for $25CAD. > The pump looked identical to the land cruiser pump except had a remote > reservoir. I also took some bracketing and hoses from the same donor. > I then bought a bracket for the power steering box; which I later came > to regret since it was really just a couple of pieces of 4 or 6 inch > angle iron welded together with holes drilled. I paid $75CAD for the > bracket which I think was a rip-off considering I could make it out of > stuff I have lying around, in about an hour. I could probably make 10 > of them in an hour if I invested another couple of hours making a jig. > > Anyway, after that, just bolt it all together. I modified the PS pump > bracket from the celica to fit on my engine because the land cruiser > vendor I spoke with (I can't remember who it was so I won't disparage > anyone by guessing and getting it wrong) didn't know that non-US > cruisers can't use their bracket. I asked if the PS pump bracket they > sold would work on a canadian spec cruiser; was told in the > affirmative. Asked whether their bracket mounted the pump on the > drivers side low or passengers side high, they responded with "drivers > side low". Since that's where my alternator is, I declared them to be > idjuts and just kludged my own bracket. It's been about 4 years and I > keep meaning to build a proper bracket but the one I have just works. > > For hoses, I took the stock celica hoses and the fittings that came > with the box, down to the local 'Hose Headquarters'. They crimped up > a new high-pressure line for me using those fittings for about $50. > > So, in the end, I think I'm $150 + 25 + 50 + 100 canadian which is > about $200 USD and I didn't have to cut out any Subaru-sized holes in > my front frame-member. > > I'm told however, that some people have to re-use the cruiser pittman > arm on the minitruck box. I didn't have to. I just used the minitruck > pittman arm with the cruiser drag-link. > > Longevity: It's been 4 years. I've had nary a problem with the PS box. > My $25 junk-yard pump is now starting to groan in the mornings so I > suspect I'm going to have to replace it one of these days. > > Performance wise, it does 'ok'. It sometimes can't turn my 33x12.5's > on dry pavement unless the truck is inching forwards. While wheeling > it helps me get out of deep ruts but it can't push the truck away from > a rock once wedged into a tough spot. I keep meaning to get Peter to > help me drill/tap the box so I can fit a rock ram. That seems like the > sort of thing I'd do if I were doing the conversion again. That'd add > another $100 or so.. > > Here's the bracket: > > http://www.beer.org/noname/build/quick.php?image=3Dminitruck_ps_mnt1.jpg&d=3Dd.html > > Here's the box, installed: > > http://www.beer.org/noname/build/quick.php?image=3Dpsb1.jpg&d=3Dd.html > > Here's the pump, installed: > > http://www.beer.org/noname/build/quick.php?image=3Dpsp1.jpg&d=3Dd.html > > hope that helps. I had a similar experience with my FJ40 PS conversion. Piecmealed the parts together over several months. I got the box bracket off Ebay for $40... was the JTO bracket. I got the ps box off someone on pirate for $50. got an ' 87 ps pump off a 4 runner. Paid no more than $200 total I imagine. In the end it works good. I liken it to a 'power assist', on my 35" tires, as compared to the super power steering that my friend has with his saginaw setup. Tom From: tjscholand@comcast.net To: landcruisers@birfield.com Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:09:19 +0000 Thanks Herb, those pics are worth thousands of words. Sorry to hear you got the bum "steer" (pun intended) on the pump bracket. I guess the '79 and up 40's are tapped for the 60 series PS pump... Haven't verified that yet. I'll publish a post-op when complete. TJS -- 1978 FJ-40 TLCA #10713 Fort Collins, CO From: Mark Whatley To: landcruisers@birfield.com Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:21:27 -0800 tjscholand@comcast.net wrote: > Thanks Herb, those pics are worth thousands of words. > Sorry to hear you got the bum "steer" (pun intended) on the pump bracket. > I guess the '79 and up 40's are tapped for the 60 series PS pump... > Haven't verified that yet. I have encountered '79s which were not tapped for the mount. Assume nothing. ;) Mark... From: tjscholand@comcast.net To: landcruisers@birfield.com Subject: [LCML] Re: Assume nothing... Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:36:26 +0000 > I have encountered '79s which were not tapped for the mount. Assume > nothing. ;) Thanks Mark. Ever seen anyone try to tap a pre '79 2F head to accept Toyota PS pump mount? Verdict? TJS From: Mark Whatley To: landcruisers@birfield.com Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: Assume nothing... Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:21:00 -0800 tjscholand@comcast.net wrote: >>I have encountered '79s which were not tapped for the mount. Assume >>nothing. ;) > > > > Thanks Mark. > Ever seen anyone try to tap a pre '79 2F head to accept Toyota PS pump mount? > Verdict? > TJS The ealier (pre-'79) 2F heads have undrilled bosses in the front left corner. I have heard from folks who have spent time in the area that the north african region got power steering as early as '75. If so, and if these bosses were used, the bracket is different than the north american bracket used '79 and later. The bosses are located differently. We drilled and tapped these once. Making a bracket turned out to be a PITA. I have gotten to the point that my first inclination is to use a Saginaw pump with the conversion bracket that JTO sells (IIRC Lance Williams developed this and he may sell something similar in his new operation). Lance, you here? Nothing wrong with the Toy pump at all, and if you have the correct holes in the head and you have the pump and bracket, you will not be disappointed. If not, then the Saginaw is cheap, simple, dependable and readily available EVERYWHERE. Joe also sells a hose with the correct ends if you don't want to scrounge and/or change fittings to make you own adapter setup. Mark... From: "Lance - Iron Pig" To: Subject: RE: [LCML] Re: Assume nothing... Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:08:48 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: landcruisers-admin@birfield.com [mailto:landcruisers-admin@birfield.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whatley > I have gotten to the point that my first inclination is to use a > Saginaw pump with the conversion bracket that JTO sells (IIRC Lance > Williams developed this and he may sell something similar in his new > operation). Lance, you here? Yes, I'm here - just not quite as available online now that I'm working full time at the shop. (I'm sure you know how that goes!) The saginaw pump bracket JTO sells is a similar to a factory saginaw pump bracket used on the early GM's with inline six. (several people on the list claimed to have invented it last year, I have no idea who really invented it but it wasn't me) Several vendors sell these (including me) for around $125. MAF sells a variation on this that I believe is a direct copy of the factory GM pump bracket. Both types work. I've had some minor clearance issues with hoses and headers when using the MAF bracket, but it does have a nice adjustment mechanism. Either variety is about the same and I agree with Mark in that it's the easiest way to put a PS pump onto a Land Cruiser head not already equipped with the factory PS pump bracket mounting holes. Lance www.ironpigoffroad.com From: "Lance - Iron Pig" To: Subject: RE: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:46:38 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: landcruisers-admin@birfield.com [mailto:landcruisers-admin@birfield.com] On Behalf Of Herb Peyerl > I then bought a bracket for the power steering box; which I later came > to regret since it was really just a couple of pieces of 4 or 6 inch > angle iron welded together with holes drilled. I paid $75CAD for the > bracket which I think was a rip-off considering I could make it out of > stuff I have lying around, in about an hour. Well, in consideration of a shop rate of $65/hr plus NEW materials (reputable vendors aren't going to sell you rusty scrap metal from the corner of the shop) paint and fasteners then $75 sounds more than reasonable. Consider also that they did have to invest time and money into a jig so that they could build brackets without having the customer vehicle in the shop for a day (meaning greater customer convenience). They also have to factor in overhead (you call that "mortgage" when working in your home garage) and the costs of marketing the product, paying the sales rep to answer your call, paying VISA 2.5% to add the convenience of your transaction by credit card, paying the guy to box and ship it (in a box they paid for with packing material they paid for). They also have to account for overhead associated with returns. (not the kind where the product was defective, but just the good will returns from people who changed their mind or just bought the wrong part) I completely agree that a skilled home mechanic/fabricator can build one for what seems like a very low price comparatively - but don't foget that your time and overhead exists, even if you don't account for it in your assesment of the value of your work. Lance www.ironpigoffroad.com From: Wayne Smith Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 To: landcruisers@birfield.com Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:05:05 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance - Iron Pig" Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:46 AM > Well, in consideration of a shop rate of $65/hr plus NEW materials > (reputable vendors aren't going to sell you rusty scrap metal from the > corner of the shop) paint and fasteners then $75 sounds more than > reasonable. Consider also that they did have to invest time and money > into a jig so that they could build brackets without having the customer > vehicle in the shop for a day (meaning greater customer convenience). > They also have to factor in overhead (you call that "mortgage" when > working in your home garage) and the costs of marketing the product, > paying the sales rep to answer your call, paying VISA 2.5% to add the > convenience of your transaction by credit card, paying the guy to box > and ship it (in a box they paid for with packing material they paid > for). They also have to account for overhead associated with returns. > (not the kind where the product was defective, but just the good will > returns from people who changed their mind or just bought the wrong > part) > > I completely agree that a skilled home mechanic/fabricator can build one > for what seems like a very low price comparatively - but don't foget > that your time and overhead exists, even if you don't account for it in > your assesment of the value of your work. > > > Lance > www.ironpigoffroad.com add to that list, the cost of the welder, rod and chop saw, blades and grinders, sanders, paint etc.... most stuff you buy you could build yourself but convience counts in this equation also. now if you like to putter in the garage that is great but to pull in install 4 bolts and drive out with a brand new bumper is easy. to spend a week designing and building one just isn't everyones cup of tea. BTW, to build that bracket if you never saw one would take much more than an hour. you would have to go buy a power steering box, drive buffy in and remove the original steering box, decide what materials would be best and what size, test mount them, adjust, reweld and test again, then weld them up. even if you had seen the bracket in a mag somewhere it still would take more than an hour to re-create the adapter. Wayne Calgary Alberta Canada Restorations www.crushersrule.com Exotics http://www.luxuryimports.ca/index.html have you laughed 8^)) at a jeep lately? From: Herb Peyerl Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 To: landcruisers@birfield.com Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:24:42 -0600 On Jun 22, 2004, at 5:46 AM, Lance - Iron Pig wrote: > Well, in consideration of a shop rate of $65/hr plus NEW materials > (reputable vendors aren't going to sell you rusty scrap metal from the > corner of the shop) paint and fasteners then $75 sounds more than > reasonable. Consider also that they did have to invest time and money > into a jig so that they could build brackets without having the customer > vehicle in the shop for a day (meaning greater customer convenience). > They also have to factor in overhead (you call that "mortgage" when > working in your home garage) and the costs of marketing the product, > paying the sales rep to answer your call, paying VISA 2.5% to add the > convenience of your transaction by credit card, paying the guy to box > and ship it (in a box they paid for with packing material they paid > for). They also have to account for overhead associated with returns. > (not the kind where the product was defective, but just the good will > returns from people who changed their mind or just bought the wrong > part) I feel like a fool. I actually know all this. Own 2 businesses of my own and have all that experience... Nevermind me. From: Mark Whatley To: landcruisers@birfield.com Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:39:44 -0800 Herb Peyerl wrote: > > > I feel like a fool. I actually know all this. Own 2 businesses of my > own and have all that experience... > > Nevermind me. I was gonna join in with Wayne and Lance, just to gang up on you a little bit Herb. But no I see that you've gone and done it yourself. Took all the fun out of it for me. ;) Mark... From: Bruce Loewen Subject: Re: [LCML] Re: 60 series power steering conversion for FJ 40 To: landcruisers@birfield.com Reply-To: landcruisers@birfield.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:00:53 -0600 (MDT) > Herb Peyerl wrote: >> >> >> I feel like a fool. I actually know all this. Own 2 businesses of my >> own and have all that experience... >> >> Nevermind me. > > I was gonna join in with Wayne and Lance, just to gang up on you a > little bit Herb. But noI see that you've gone and done it yourself. Took > all the fun out of it for me. ;) > > > Mark... > I wish Lance, Mark and Wayne all the luck in the world but the four wheel drive business is a hard one to make money at because of guys like Herb and me. If you put enough detail of your adapters on your website I can copy your idea and build my own and will be happy to do so even if it takes three tries, uses up all the welding gas and requires me to run to the store to buy a new tool. Why? Because I can. If it works out I might even start making more of the things and selling them. Not because I want to put anybody out of business but because the only greater stroke for my ego than to build it myself is to build it myself and then sell it! Maybe my part will be seen in a magazine some time. In the meantime, I'm going to keep my telecom day job to make sure that the lights stay on in the shop and take the nagging profit factor out of the equation. That is generally the part that makes owing a business a pain in the butt. So in order to properly hijack this thread, does anybody know anybody who knows anything about Rover LT230 t-cases? I'm on my way to building a "Poor man's Atlas" and need some information. 3.2:1 will soon be available to Cruiser heads for way less than my cost! Cheers, Bruce From: "JESSE CANCEL" To: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:20:19 -0700 Subject: [FJ55] P/S Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry I am planning on putting on some power steering pretty soon, just can't = handle all of the play in my steering box anymore. However, I kind of = like the exercise from swampers and rocks for 6hrs. straight. If I use = one of Lance's brackets and a mini-truck steering box, can the center = control arm and mainly, the surrounding frame area handle the stress? = Am I better off eliminating the center control arm (which was changed = around a year ago) and going with something like an FJ60 or 2wd = toyota/IFS box? If this route is taken, how much welding, reinforcing = and scabbing is required to run this setup on my frame? And how hard = is it really to rebuild a manual steering box, or are rebuild kits even = available. I have 2 boxes, both adjusted as far as possible. Thanks, Jesse, 69fj55 From: "Bullfrog" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Subject: Re: [FJ55] P/S Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:44:04 -0400 Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry ----- Original Message ----- From: "JESSE CANCEL" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:20 PM > I am planning on putting on some power steering pretty soon, just can't > handle all of the play in my steering box anymore. However, I kind of like > the exercise from swampers and rocks for 6hrs. straight. If I use one of > Lance's brackets and a mini-truck steering box, can the center control arm > and mainly, the surrounding frame area handle the stress? Am I better off > eliminating the center control arm (which was changed around a year ago) and > going with something like an FJ60 or 2wd toyota/IFS box? If this route is > taken, how much welding, reinforcing and scabbing is required to run this > setup on my frame? And how hard is it really to rebuild a manual steering > box, or are rebuild kits even available. I have 2 boxes, both adjusted as > far as possible. > > Thanks, > Jesse, 69fj55 Jesse - Check out Power Steering Systems, Inc., 12062 NW 27 Ave, Miami, FL 33167. They will rebuild the Toyota Pump, boosting it to 1400 psi using hi pressure seals and increasing the flow rate to 3.5 gpm by drilling out the orifice. They can also add a 4" pulley to spin it faster for low speed use. Cost with shipping for the package, sending your core, is about $165, not cheap, but better than the original setup and still Toyota modified stock. Ask for Victor; 1-305-769-0869. Send your steering box to West Texas Offroad, 6305 US Hwy 277 South, San Angelo, TX 76904 and get the Stage II Hydro Assist Kit, which includes complete rebuild of steering box, again using hi pressure seals,and the addition of two additional hydraulic ports for ram assist steering. Ask for the 1-1/2" ram kit if you want fastest response on road and off. Cost with return shipping is about $470. Forgot the guy's name [Bill?] but their number is 1-325-651-5010. With this, new hydraulic hoses and the appropriate brackets for mounting the pump and box [either Lance's or DIY], you will have an excellent system that will easily handle 35" tires, even at very slow speeds, and the center control arm and surrounding frame are should handle the load provided they are in good condition. Not the cheapest solution, but easy to install and maintain. We have several guys in Bay to Blue Ridge Cruisers running variations of this setup with excellent results. Good luck. Bullfrog Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [FJ55] P/S From: "Andre Shoumatoff" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry I did a similar setup as the scout but with FJ60 power steering. Both boxes have a similar design, basically vertical that hangs over the frame. Advantage is the only welding you have to do is scab plates (what I did with 3/8" plate on both sides and it's bomber) or if you have a big drill, you can take the sleeves with you from the FJ60 frame (same thickness frame I believe) and drill the holes then there is no welding required unless you need a longer steering shaft for some reason (different engine for example). Take the FJ60 steering shaft with you, hoses, bolts, etc all of it. The FJ55 uses a u-joint at the end of the steering shaft, same size as a FJ60. No rag joints or weird modification. Disadvantage is these FJ60 steering boxes can be expensive unless you know someone who's got a junk FJ60 or a cheap junk yard that doesn't know what they have... Also it doesn't move the massive amounts of juice that the Scout box would but with my 35's, I am beyond happy and it tracks straight and easy like a FJ60 except that I have a saginaw pump so it worked perfectly for me... Here are some pics of how I mocked it up before I put in the engine. Eventually I welded in the plating, and moved the whole setup forward about 8 more inches, using the much longer FJ60 shaft. http://www.collegeinternetsolutions.com/cisautoweb/fj55/ps_conversion/100_0434.jpg http://www.collegeinternetsolutions.com/cisautoweb/fj55/ps_conversion/100_0446.jpg Andre From: "miletwo" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Subject: Re: [FJ55] P/S Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:43:52 -0700 Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Shoumatoff" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:35 AM > I did a similar setup as the scout but with FJ60 power steering. Both > boxes have a similar design, basically vertical that hangs over the frame. > Advantage is the only welding you have to do is scab plates (what I did > with 3/8" plate on both sides and it's bomber) or if you have a big drill, > you can take the sleeves with you from the FJ60 frame (same thickness > frame I believe) and drill the holes then there is no welding required > unless you need a longer steering shaft for some reason (different engine > for example). Take the FJ60 steering shaft with you, hoses, bolts, etc > all of it. The FJ55 uses a u-joint at the end of the steering shaft, same > size as a FJ60. No rag joints or weird modification. Disadvantage is > these FJ60 steering boxes can be expensive unless you know someone who's > got a junk FJ60 or a cheap junk yard that doesn't know what they have... > Also it doesn't move the massive amounts of juice that the Scout box would > but with my 35's, I am beyond happy and it tracks straight and easy like a > FJ60 except that I have a saginaw pump so it worked perfectly for me... > > Here are some pics of how I mocked it up before I put in the engine. > Eventually I welded in the plating, and moved the whole setup forward > about 8 more inches, using the much longer FJ60 shaft. > > > http://www.collegeinternetsolutions.com/cisautoweb/fj55/ps_conversion/100_0434.jpg > > http://www.collegeinternetsolutions.com/cisautoweb/fj55/ps_conversion/100_0446.jpg > > > > Andre > Those are some of the best pics of a P/S conversion setup that I've seen. You should put up a web page describing what you did. Regards, J.Anderson Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [FJ55] P/S From: "Andre Shoumatoff" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry > Those are some of the best pics of a P/S conversion setup that I've seen. > You should put up a web page describing what you did. > > Regards, > > J.Anderson I asked and hear about it in a thread on pirate. Somday I will make a website with decent pictures of it of the actual setup, beefy and not dinky. I would have warped my frame if I kept it that way unfortunately. But here is that thread, good photos of the Scout setup too... http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D137903 Andre From: "Evan Jenkins" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Subject: Re: [FJ55] P/S Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:55:05 -0700 Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry ----- Original Message ----- From: "miletwo" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [FJ55] P/S > Those are some of the best pics of a P/S conversion setup that I've seen. > You should put up a web page describing what you did. > > Regards, > > J.Anderson I put the 60 box on my 55, and i agree w/andre got great feel even with 35s. some pics on http://birfield.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album24&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php From: "Douglas M. Petersen" To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:21:39 -0800 Subject: [FJ55] FJ60 Power steering Conversion HELP Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry I located my Gear Box on my frame, clamped in place, Steering shaft Yoke barely clears my shock tower. Then while fitting my relay rod onto my Tie Rod I ran into a problem. The tie rod end tapered shaft coming from the FJ60 Relay Rod is too large for the tapered hole in the tie rod end from the FJ55 Tie Rod. If you can follow what I'm try to say, would anyone have any advice, should I start looking for a Relay Rod that is threaded for an FJ60 at the Pitman arm end, and threaded for a FJ55 at the other end? Can anyone help me solve this? Thanks for any help, Doug 72 FJ55 From: "Andre Shoumatoff" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Subject: Re: [FJ55] FJ60 Power steering Conversion HELP Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:51:13 -0700 Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas M. Petersen" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:21 AM > I located my Gear Box on my frame, clamped in place, Steering shaft Yoke > barely clears my shock tower. Then while fitting my relay rod onto my Tie > Rod I ran into a problem. The tie rod end tapered shaft coming from the FJ60 > Relay Rod is too large for the tapered hole in the tie rod end from the FJ55 > Tie Rod. If you can follow what I'm try to say, would anyone have any > advice, should I start looking for a Relay Rod that is threaded for an FJ60 > at the Pitman arm end, and threaded for a FJ55 at the other end? Can anyone > help me solve this? > > Thanks for any help, > Doug > 72 FJ55 That would be an option but the easiest way is to switch pitman arms (the arm that comes off the power steering box) with one that is drilled for a smaller tie rod end pin. Also the correct terminology is the drag link (what you are refering to as the relay rod) and the tie rod (connects the two wheels). Ideally you want your drag link to be as horizonal as possible to avoid bump steer (the wheel wanting to turn when going over a bump). I know there are some jeep and OEM pitman arms out there that work. I bought one from Marlin Crawler designed for an IFS box but with the FJ80 Tie Tod Ends. It was $70 but worked great. Also regarding the shock tower issue, eventually I went to a Ford shock tower for increased shock size (up and down travel) but before I was solid on this I unbolted the shock tower and was able to grind it so it still worked very well. Hope it helps! Andre Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:04:34 -0900 From: Mark Whatley To: The FJ55 Registry Subject: Re: [FJ55] FJ60 Power steering Conversion HELP Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry Douglas M. Petersen wrote: > I located my Gear Box on my frame, clamped in place, Steering shaft Yoke > barely clears my shock tower. Then while fitting my relay rod onto my Tie > Rod I ran into a problem. The tie rod end tapered shaft coming from the FJ60 > Relay Rod is too large for the tapered hole in the tie rod end from the FJ55 > Tie Rod. If you can follow what I'm try to say, would anyone have any > advice, should I start looking for a Relay Rod that is threaded for an FJ60 > at the Pitman arm end, and threaded for a FJ55 at the other end? Can anyone > help me solve this? > > Thanks for any help, > Doug > 72 FJ55 This conversion assumes that you will fabricate a new shock tower. It also assumes that you will fabricate a new drag link (there is no relay rod in the FJ60 system). Use an FJ40 drag link and you original relay rod, cut and mated to create a draglink which fits the box and the tierod. Mark... From: "Douglas M. Petersen" To: "The FJ55 Registry" Subject: RE: [FJ55] FJ60 Power steering Conversion HELP Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:16:42 -0800 Reply-To: The FJ55 Registry -----Original Message----- From: fj55-bounces@birfield.com [mailto:fj55-bounces@birfield.com]On Behalf Of Mark Whatley Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:05 PM > This conversion assumes that you will fabricate a new shock tower. It > also assumes that you will fabricate a new drag link (there is no relay > rod in the FJ60 system). Use an FJ40 drag link and you original relay > rod, cut and mated to create a draglink which fits the box and the tierod. > > > > Mark... Thanks, Mark and Andre. I don't have my stock drag link, the PO tossed it when attempting to put a jeep saginaw box into my rig. So I guess my options are reduced to either having a custom drag link threaded different at each end or going with new piman arm and drag link. And I thought the tuff part was going to be mounting my box. Doug