To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "t_bonesau" Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:59:47 -0000 Subject: [80_aus] Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com Sick to death of sucking in hot Pilbara air, I'm in search of an Intercooler for my 04 Troopie. Anyone know of something? Replies by hdj80i will be ignored! <;-)) To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Ian B" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:32:18 -0000 Subject: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com --- In 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com, "t_bonesau" wrote: > Sick to death of sucking in hot Pilbara air, I'm in search of an > Intercooler for my 04 Troopie. > Anyone know of something? > Replies by hdj80i will be ignored! <;-)) Well it's funny you should make this request just now... Cooma Diesel (0262800178, 1800818442) are just putting the finishing touches on an I/C kit for HDJ78/79's. It includes a front mount I/C and new 'long snout' grille. I believe pricing is about par for an I/C kit (whatever that means). A long term Lcool member (not me) has been assisting in it's creation and is very happy with the results (especially when combined with Dtronic). Warning: There is more to adding an I/C to an HDJ78/79 than just adding the hardware. If you just add the hardware, your motor will make less kW!. Ian B 95 HDJ80 near Canberra PS: I know I sound like an employee of CDS sometimes, but I'm not. I always pay for work just like every other diesel head. I just continue to be impressed by their professionalism and attention to detail. To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "t_bonesau" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:40:24 -0000 Subject: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com --- In 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com, "Ian B" wrote: > Well it's funny you should make this request just now... > > Cooma Diesel (0262800178, 1800818442) are just putting the finishing > touches on an I/C kit for HDJ78/79's. It includes a front mount I/C > and new . I believe pricing is about par for an I/C > kit (whatever that means). > A long term Lcool member (not me) has been assisting in it's creation > and is very happy with the results (especially when combined with > Dtronic). > > Warning: There is more to adding an I/C to an HDJ78/79 than just > adding the hardware. If you just add the hardware, your motor will > make less kW!. > > Ian B > 95 HDJ80 > near Canberra > > PS: I know I sound like an employee of CDS sometimes, but I'm not. I > always pay for work just like every other diesel head. I just continue > to be impressed by their professionalism and attention to detail. Thanks for the reply Ian. Sounds like what I'm after. Not to sure on the "'long snout' grille", hope it doesn't make it look like a busted arse. BTW, I'm aware that the IC is just the tip of the iceberg. I've seen all the decorations hanging off HDJ80i's Xmas tree.... To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Ian B" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:34:36 -0000 Subject: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com --- In 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com, "t_bonesau" wrote: > Thanks for the reply Ian. > Sounds like what I'm after. Not to sure on the "'long snout' > grille", hope it doesn't make it look like a busted arse. > BTW, I'm aware that the IC is just the tip of the iceberg. I've seen > all the decorations hanging off HDJ80i's Xmas tree.... > I called in and spoke to them about the kit, and am trying to get hold of some piccies for you. BTW, ignore HDJ80i. If he could do something worthwhile, he wouldn't be in the profession he is. ;-) Ian B To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "Norm Needham" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:18:00 +1000 Subject: Re: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "t_bonesau" > Thanks for the reply Ian. > Sounds like what I'm after. Not to sure on the "'long snout' > grille", hope it doesn't make it look like a busted arse. > BTW, I'm aware that the IC is just the tip of the iceberg. I've seen > all the decorations hanging off HDJ80i's Xmas tree.... Tony, isn't it? The "long snout " grows on you. Very happy? No, just happy. I think it needs a little more work in the aesthetics department. The good thing (other than the power increase) is that the intercooler takes out over 100 degrees C of EGT when using a Dtronic (measured at Canberra Autumn ambient on a dynamometer); over 60 degrees in stock trim. It is designed to fit an ARB bar (with driving lights) and low mount winch. It will not fit with a Hi mount, and may not fit with other brands of bar. It's about to get a workout for a couple of weeks outback, so we'll see how it goes. Cheers "A long term Lcool member" To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "t_bonesau" Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:18:27 -0000 Subject: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com --- In 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Needham" wrote: > Tony, isn't it? > The "long snout " grows on you. > Very happy? No, just happy. I think it needs a little more work in the > aesthetics department. > The good thing (other than the power increase) is that the intercooler > takes out over 100 degrees C of EGT when using a Dtronic (measured at > Canberra Autumn ambient on a dynamometer); over 60 degrees in stock > trim. > It is designed to fit an ARB bar (with driving lights) and low mount > winch. It will not fit with a Hi mount, and may not fit with other > brands of bar. > It's about to get a workout for a couple of weeks outback, so we'll see > how it goes. > > Cheers > "A long term Lcool member" Hi Norm, Yep, Tony it is. I suppose moss will grow on a rock, so the 'long snout" might grow on me! Waiting for photo's to come on down the line to see for myself. I spoke to the guys @ Cooma Diesel yesterday and they dobbed you in as the "long term LCOOL member" as well as giving me the low-down. Luckily(?)I have an ARB bar and measuring it all up last night, it should fit in OK behind the Lightforce 240's. When the winch selection time comes along (I've already been through the wench selection process twice), low mount it is. I look forward to hearing about how it all performs during the workout. Regards, Tony. To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "George Couyant" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:19:45 +1000 Subject: Re: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Needham" > All in all the intercooler/Dtronic combination was quite impressive, as > those on the trip will attest. > Even pushing hard on the way home, I didn't see EGT above 600C. Not bad, > considering I could get to 700C in stock trim before fitting the > intercooler and Dtronic. Yup, he putted around everywhere and at times caved in to the pressure of performing - as can be witnessed by Norm's "destruction" of Big Red. The most impressive aspect though was the frugal fuel economy. Correct me if I'm wrong Norm, but it was like 83L from Birdsville to Oodnadatta. Whilst it's no secret that the improved injection timing through the Dtronic improved the low down torque and engine efficiency, but the intercooler must have contributed a good deal as well. 83L is a might effort. Cheers gc '97 HDJ80 -Melbourne Oz '03 Prado To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "Norm Needham" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:02:58 +1000 Subject: Re: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "George Couyant" > > Yup, he putted around everywhere and at times caved in to the pressure of > performing - as can be witnessed by Norm's "destruction" of Big Red. > > The most impressive aspect though was the frugal fuel economy. Correct me if > I'm wrong Norm, but it was like 83L from Birdsville to Oodnadatta. Whilst > it's no secret that the improved injection timing through the Dtronic > improved the low down torque and engine efficiency, but the intercooler must > have contributed a good deal as well. 83L is a might effort. > > Cheers > gc > So I get the blame again? ;-) "Destruction" of Big Red indeed. According to some enviro police, I've already been blamed for destroying most of the parks in NSW, and half of those in other states. Good thing I have broad shoulders ..... well, relative to my height that is (but they don't look flash in the strapless numbers). And I would love to correct you Georgey, but as usual, you are right. Filled both tanks in Birdsville, ran about 20 km from the front tank to take the top off it, switched to rear before Big Red, and switched back to front at Oodnadatta (where the burger ... or perhaps it was the company, was wonderful). Ran on the front tank to Maree, where I filled and put 83 litres in the rear tank. There is the possibility that a little fuel transferred through the venting system during the desert drive, but that could not have been more than a couple of litres; so it was impressive economy. 14.2 Lt/100km roughly. Thanks to all on the trip for a top time. Cheers Norm Needham Tea Gardens - Oz HDJ79 To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "ds21bvh" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:50:53 -0000 Subject: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com --- In 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com, Norm Needham wrote: > > Just returned from the LCOOL desert trip (you will read about that from > others no doubt). > Almost 7,000 km home to home. Nothing fell off, nothing leaked, fuel > consumption was a wee bit greater on road but amazingly better in the > desert. The new grill did rub a little in one corner (nothing a dob of > black paint won't fix). > All in all the intercooler/Dtronic combination was quite impressive, as > those on the trip will attest. > Even pushing hard on the way home, I didn't see EGT above 600C. Not bad, > considering I could get to 700C in stock trim before fitting the > intercooler and Dtronic. > Am still investigating flexible ducting to "tidy" things up a bit, but > maybe I'm being a bit pedantic. > > Cheers > Norm Hi Norm, Good to hear you guys had a great trip..... Lucky lucky bastards seeing the desert in bloom like that.....:) I hear you really can't beat a real turbo diesel (6 cylinder) for climbing big red easily - it appears those 4 cylinder TD things need a couple of goes - Dtronic or no Dtronic .... Hey Daz.....;-)) Your temperature readings - are they post or pre turbo....? GG - no I'm not ready to drill my exhaust manifold yet ... ;-)) Cheers, Mark.... 96 HDJ80ib GXL To: <80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com> From: "Norm Needham" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:53:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "ds21bvh" > Hi Norm, > > Good to hear you guys had a great trip..... Lucky lucky bastards > seeing the desert in bloom like that.....:) > > I hear you really can't beat a real turbo diesel (6 cylinder) for > climbing big red easily - it appears those 4 cylinder TD things need > a couple of goes - Dtronic or no Dtronic .... Hey Daz.....;-)) > > Your temperature readings - are they post or pre turbo....? > > GG - no I'm not ready to drill my exhaust manifold yet ... ;-)) > > Cheers, > > Mark.... > 96 HDJ80ib GXL Beat a real turbo diesel for climbing dunes? Sure can. I've had my petrol V8 auto out there on occasion. Apart from the fact it uses twice as much fuel, it's great in the sand. EGT on the farm truck is measured pre turbo. It's a fairly easy exercise to drill/tap the manifold. I actually removed mine to do it, principally because I did not know the inside shape. I thought it might be like some Nissans where there is a divider down the middle. I didn't want to drill a blind hole. As it turned out, there is no divider, just a shallow ridge above that area. I removed the manifold and turbo as a unit and split them on the bench. Not difficult at all, just a little time consuming. But GC tells me I have too much of that on hand (time that is). Cheers Norm Needham Tea Gardens - Oz HDJ79 To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Matt Pozzi" Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:23:06 -0000 Subject: [80_aus] Re: Intercooling a 1HDFTE 78 series. Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com > Beat a real turbo diesel for climbing dunes? Sure can. I've had my > petrol V8 auto out there on occasion. Apart from the fact it uses twice > as much fuel, it's great in the sand. > EGT on the farm truck is measured pre turbo. It's a fairly easy exercise > to drill/tap the manifold. I actually removed mine to do it, principally > because I did not know the inside shape. I thought it might be like some > Nissans where there is a divider down the middle. I didn't want to drill > a blind hole. As it turned out, there is no divider, just a shallow > ridge above that area. > I removed the manifold and turbo as a unit and split them on the bench. > Not difficult at all, just a little time consuming. But GC tells me I > have too much of that on hand (time that is). > > Cheers > Norm Needham > Tea Gardens - Oz > HDJ79 Norm may I ask what type of thermocouple probe you used for this. I intend to put a pyrometer / EGT gauge in and would like to go pre turbo. Aircraft do this all the time so it can't be too bad. Regards, Matt To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: All American Imports Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:53:11 +0200 Subject: [80_aus] HDJ78 / 79 Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com Hello Norm, Reading about you fitting an Intercooler to the 78 series I was wondering what exhaust you use. We do not have 7# series here at all anymore, except for the ones we import ourselves, and original Turbodiesels were never available in Europe. With 100 series Turbodiesel we found a great gain in changeing the dumppipe + elbow from the turbocharger. spool up time of the turbocharger was much better and temperature went down about 70 degrees C. Keep in mind we have a convertor in the dumppipe wich you do not have on the 7# series turbodiesel overthere. We saw some nasty things happen with turbinehousings from 1HD-FTE 's overhere but that has mainly to do with heavy loads and fast driving. Some people here with 100 series tow in exces of 5 - 6 tons and some others go full speedo when you take the speed limiter out. Turbinehousings crack and we saw that happen before but also the arm of the flappervalve gave way due to heat and slowly releasing the pre-tension of the actuator with reduces boostsettings. Happend also on 1KZ-T + E engines wich you have in the hi-lux and prado. Toyota has reenforced that little arm and I haven't seen that again on both engines. In the mean time the 1HD-FTE 1st generation is gone and we now have one with VNT turbocharger + EGR cooling etc, etc. ( Garrett VNT ).Still not common rail. So if you can fill me in on that exhaust it would interest me much. With best regards, Maarten To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:56:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [80_aus] HDJ78 / 79 Reply-To: 80scool_aus@yahoogroups.com On 17 Jul 2004 at 9:53, All American Imports wrote: > We saw some nasty things happen with turbinehousings from 1HD-FTE 's > overhere but that has mainly to do with heavy loads and fast driving. > Some people here with 100 series tow in exces of 5 - 6 tons and some > others go full speedo when you take the speed limiter out. Maarten, are you aware that Veldhuizen Wagenbouw now has the option to legalize the German 6000kg rating in Holland? (take Dutch HDJ100, export it to Germany, get 6000kg rating, import back to NL) Still not 100% about the German regulations themselves, I vaguely recall that this falls in the German category 'Zug-wagen' (tow- truck), 25km/h max....but perhaps that subtle detail goes lost when transferring it back to NL....:)))) Willem (it never hurts to be able to load two 2.5 ton Cruisers on a 'hay-wagon' style car-transporter....:)) Jan -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink The desire to understand is sometimes far less intelligent than the inability to understand [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]